Former Trump cybersecurity official says GOP leaders have 'lost control' of voter base: 'This is a d
Source: The Hill
death spiral'
Chris Krebs, the first director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency who was fired by former President Trump for refuting stolen election claims, said on Sunday that leaders of the Republican Party have "lost control" of the party's voter base.
While appearing on CBS's "Face the Nation," host Margaret Brennan asked Krebs whether he believes Trump is attempting to undermined future elections, noting that the former president said during a recent rally that he is seeking to completely overhaul the U.S. election system.
"Without question. It's happening at four different levels, both state legislatures and state elected officials, some of the folks running for secretary of state in Arizona and Georgia. But we're also seeing [it] in the U.S. Congress," said Krebs.
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dchill
(38,562 posts)Spoiler alert - Frankenstein ended up dead, killed by his creation. Mike Pence, are you paying attention?
COL Mustard
(5,936 posts)We have to put a stake through the heart of this movement at every election opportunity we have. Otherwise we won't have the chance anymore.
ShazamIam
(2,576 posts)tea party, it is not organic, never has been and includes the control of radio, destruction of local news organizations and of course the entire corporate media.
Without this network Trump would not have been elected. And Trump can't keep it alive without the network and the media.
Marthe48
(17,047 posts)I repeated to my friend last night the old saying-"Control the media. Control the message." Here is a link to media ownership: https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/futureofmedia/us-media-index
So guess what we hear? Slanted news that benefits those companies and maintains their status quo, and controls those people stupid enought to swallow their message whole.
KPN
(15,665 posts)far right wing control of the media, and Super PACs -- provide fertile ground for replacing democracy with oligarchy and/or fascism.
I told my friend that I listen to the news critically, and if I think the facts are being slanted in a way that persuades us to think about the story a certain way, I stop listening.
About the only news I hear is CBS radio news, and it is awful the way the stories are biased. Very subtle, but very deliberate choice of words and vocal tone to sway the listener.
I don't sense the same in the written news stories I read. I don't know if that is a difference in how our brains absorb material from different sources or if print media is harder to manipulate.
Champp
(2,114 posts)ShazamIam
(2,576 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Most wouldn't consider AT&T media but without their Direct TV subsidiary carrying OAN that misinformation and conspiracy outlet OAN could not survive. AT&T is bankrolling that outlet. The problem is deeply entrenched.
ShazamIam
(2,576 posts)documentaries both real and faked up ones. What do you call, "the media"?
Many years ago, I tried to find who owned a local news channel, if it was a reliable source of news. I got so bogged down in the tangles of ownership, I gave up. I am an ATT customer for phone service and nothing else. There weren't options when we hired them, but there are options now.
Remember the movie The President's Analyst? James Coburn. Who ended up being the real enemy was an eye opener. (I don't want to give it away if you haven't seen it, but want to. But, you know
KPN
(15,665 posts)roots lie in the Koch household -- and David Koch's fascist faux non-profit "Americans for Prosperity".
We are playing with real fire here if it doesn't get outright squashed. The whole frigging thing needs to be extinguished -- just like a fire -- if we hope to save democracy. And that means extinguished. If there ever was a real national emergency, a real threat to our continued existence, this is it. I hope our political leaders actually know and understand that.
ShazamIam
(2,576 posts)ultra-conservative, anti-democratic members and they have been at this since the days of FDR, McCarthy, Birchers, and Heritage Foundation set up for direct control of the Republican political party agenda and policies.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Movement conservatism is an inside term describing conservatism in the United States and New Right. According to George H. Nash (2009) the movement comprises a coalition of five distinct impulses. From the mid-1930s to the 1960s, libertarians, traditionalists, and anti-communists made up this coalition, with the goal of fighting the liberals' New Deal. In the 1970s, two more impulses were added with the addition of neoconservatives and the religious right.
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Author and magazine editor William F. Buckley Jr. was one of the founding members of the movement. His 1951 book God and Man at Yale argued against Keynesian economics, progressive taxation and the welfare state and gave him a national audience. In 1955, he founded National Review, which provided a platform for arguing the movement conservative viewpoint. His emphasis was on an anti-Communist foreign policy and a pro-business, anti-union domestic policy. However, in its early days the magazine also included sentiments of white supremacy. In the August 24, 1957 issue, Buckley's editorial "Why the South Must Prevail" spoke out explicitly in favor of segregation in the South. It argued that "the central question that emerges... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race."
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Business base
Movement conservatives embraced an anti-regulation and anti-union message as part of their appeal to business interests, with whom they had common ground in terms of tax policy.[19] For example, in 1958 Barry Goldwater referred to influential union leader Walter Reuther as a "more dangerous menace than the Sputnik or anything Soviet Russia might do to America." While unions had a strong presence in major northern manufacturing industries, many southern and western states had significantly less union presence and many business leaders wanted them to remain that way.
Institutional infrastructure
In the late 1960s and 1970s, movement conservatives persuaded wealthy individuals and businesses to establish a conservative intellectual and political infrastructure. This includes think tanks that resemble academic institutions but publish studies supporting conservative and libertarian arguments. The American Enterprise Institute was founded in 1943, but was expanded dramatically with new funding in 1971. The Heritage Foundation was created in 1973 and the Cato Institute was founded in 1974.
(My Bold)
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)People like Buckley approached it from the "elite intellectual" level. What you see today is what anyone else would discard as a failed "experiment" in governance by a bunch of lemmings.
In order for it to work, the creators have to maintain some kind of tight "control" of the messaging. But what has happened is that things have morphed into insane CT that has gotten them completely off track, and it's because the sorts of people who follow this sort of thing are "individualists" (Ayn Rand-style selfish Libertarians) and don't do well with "group think" at the highest levels (as it's only expected for the lowest).
So their "Plan B" has been to use the chaos that has resulted, to go deep into the bowels of government to get their agendas enacted. The question might better be what kind of ROI would they get out of continuing to pump up the loons or when does the time come to cut bait.
ShazamIam
(2,576 posts)the total corporation of the big national media companies.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)a worldwide pandemic might eventually do to their bottom line and "the bottom line" is what comes first. They are going to have to pause from their Snidely Whiplash scheming and make some adjustments.
ShazamIam
(2,576 posts)survive as a democratic leaning republic.
BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)but when one is in the position to float above everyone and everything in terms of finances, one can "pick and choose their friends".
I.e., the old saying of there being "no permanent friends nor permanent enemies, just permanent interests".
ShazamIam
(2,576 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,662 posts)Putin got himself into an oil productoin pissing match last year with Saudi Arabia that they are still trying to recover from and Chinese goods are sitting backed up on cargo ships lined up around the world with nowhere to dock and no one to off load them. Thus the empty containers that they need to ship more of the stuff they are making, are full and still "at sea", while they continue manufacturing 24/7. So they will soon run out of room to store it. Meanwhile their whole tech sector (chips) is in limbo due to the pandemic.
I.e., the pandemic is starting to impact their "bottom lines" (they don't yet care about "the people" in that scenario because they assumed "the people" would always be there, but in these odd times, they are not).
ShazamIam
(2,576 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Would haul in the kochs for thier role in funding the insurrection. Bet he knows exactly what's going on.
certainot
(9,090 posts)radio stations. there is no central spinmeister. they are fucked and so is manchin and sinema and other conservadems who think they can keep using talk radio's made-to-order pro-corporate constituencies to enable their cowardice and corruption
dems need to go all out on rw radio to really support biden's agenda and then take it even farther. without limbaugh it's going to suffer bigly but continuing to give a few hundred limbaugh wannabes on 1500 radio stations a free speech free ride is just fucking dumb
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,170 posts)Does it mean it has become corrupt will make it difficult for them do voter targeting and campaigning? I hope so!
KPN
(15,665 posts)Fuck him and them.
joetheman
(1,450 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)The Republicans plan is
1. Win on election day through massive voter suppression of Democratic voters, and any new voters by making it more difficult. Voters stripped off voter lists. Shorter hours. And in some States if it comes to it, the power to wade into a county and reverse the elector decision.
2. If all of that STILL does not gain Republicans control, because of massive turnout on our side....which MUST happen......they will carry out Insurrection 2.0. Bigger, badder, and bolder.
KPN
(15,665 posts)They make deliberate choices based on profit as well as ideology.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)Greed has dictated a self imposed oblivion. They don't want to look any deeper if it means they will be shamed into actually covering this "slow coup" attempt. Because then Republicans will not come on their shows as guests, and that will further their lack of appeal to "moderate voters" ie...conservatives. And further cement their image as anti-conservative liberal Democratic hacks. Which could lead to less ad revenue.
They are desperate to retain their tried and true, business formula for success. Treat both parties as legitimate democratic supporting parties. Balance all scandals, in equal time and terms for both parties, even if it means elevating a Democratic party faux pas like a tan suit, and demoting a Republican faux pas, like, oh I don't know, suppressing democracy, lying about fraud, and refusing to even hold a Senate inquiry into 1/06 and putting as many roadblocks in the House's inquiry.
Its like, after they gave Trump 4x the airtime as the Democratic challengers, covered every rally. Even choosing to show an empty stadium waiting for Trump over a live rally by a Democratic contender in Sanders. After all that they have the audacity to claim they were shocked by the results. Just like if or when the new Republican Fascist party rises to power, and proceeds to censor them, make laws to suppress journalism, jail "disobedient" ones that continue to break stories unfavourable to them, then they will again say "who could ever see that coming?"
reACTIONary
(5,789 posts)...it was. What about the Hill? It isn't CBS, but it is read nation wide and is sort of establishment center right. So those are the sources... It seems the MSM is covering it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is news or offers new insights in any way. I guess his term "death spiral" got him quoted.
Where the MSM fail is that they want, as always, to keep conservatives in power -- under our constitutional democracy. So now they're trying to walk the tightrope of warning of the danger of falling to a trumpist fascist dictatorship, or other form of authoritarian government, but continuing as they always have to badmouth Democrats to discourage people from voting Democrat.
mjvpi
(1,389 posts)During the change over between the support bands and the headliner, the crowd started chanting "USA, USA, USA" then it turned into "fuck Joe Biden, fuck Joe Biden". Now, at the risk of offending my liberal friends who appreciate the musicianship and power of big time Metal music, yes I do know a few, a picture of the crowd would have resembled pictures from 1/6. All I could think of was Mitch McConnel bonding with his base in the mosh pit at this show. Politics for them has all of the nuance of being a fan of a band.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)from some in our kids' circles, mainly concertgoers but a couple musicians. A harkening back to its white roots perhaps and the dark reaches of some of its nastier subgenres? (Not that I have any more exposure to those than reading and hearing about them. )
"Politics for them has all of the nuance of being a fan of a band." Very descriptive and sounds very believable.
Champp
(2,114 posts)The Republicans' intimate dark-ops Russian- troll bot wanker comrade, Vladdy Putin, loves what the Repubes have enabled him to do to America.
Now the G.O.P., after french kissing his hairless Russian keester, is paying the price: G.O.P. so damn contaminated with filth, lies, cheating, and rejection of common sense, it ain't even fun any more to pretend that you are "owning the libs."
Sad.
Roc2020
(1,616 posts)to forget Democrats have a base too. 81 mil+. We see what's coming. And preparing. but shhhhhh.....let them keep throwing threats.