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lapucelle

(18,350 posts)
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:53 PM Nov 2021

Federal grand jury indicts former Trump adviser Steve Bannon for contempt of Congress

Source: CNN

A federal grand jury has returned an indictment against former Trump adviser Steve Bannon for contempt of Congress, the Justice Department announced Friday.

Attorney General Merrick Garland has been under tremendous political pressure to indict Bannon since the House referred the Trump ally to the Justice Department for contempt on October 21.

Without an indictment, critics have said, there's doubt over how much power the House January 6 committee has to compel cooperation from former White House and Trump administration officials. Friday, former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows failed to appear for a deposition, sources familiar with the investigation told CNN, setting up a potential showdown that could lead to the panel beginning a criminal referral process against him.

And last week, former Trump Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, who had been subpoenaed, appeared before the committee for more than an hour but declined to answer questions. The House January 6 committee subpoenaed documents and testimony from Bannon in early October.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/12/politics/steve-bannon-indicted/index.html



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Federal grand jury indicts former Trump adviser Steve Bannon for contempt of Congress (Original Post) lapucelle Nov 2021 OP
Hah! You beat me by 30 seconds! If I get the link I'll let you know. George II Nov 2021 #1
Great minds think alike... lapucelle Nov 2021 #2
Aaaaand A Judge Just Signed the ARREST WARRANT!!!!!!! sheshe2 Nov 2021 #10
Let's see him defy THAT. Lasher Nov 2021 #38
This has made my Day INdemo Nov 2021 #46
Made mine, too!!! calimary Nov 2021 #68
He agreed to turn himself in on Monday. Wonder if he'll pull a "Frank Pentangeli" over the weekend? George II Nov 2021 #96
I had to look him up. sheshe2 Nov 2021 #100
It would not surprise me if trump sends his "consigliere" to advise Bannon to "do the right thing"! George II Nov 2021 #104
Would that be Rudi? sheshe2 Nov 2021 #106
Whats Rudy gonna do? Dye him to death? oldsoftie Nov 2021 #115
Lol sheshe2 Nov 2021 #121
Thanks for this explanation. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #137
UR Welcome. sheshe2 Nov 2021 #140
Somehow, Bannon doesn't strike me as the type whathehell Nov 2021 #107
What does "turn himself in" actually mean? mrsadm Nov 2021 #142
Finally!! Etherealoc1 Nov 2021 #3
About the correct timing....and the grand jury has been working under DOJ for how long? Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #54
I am gobsmacked. I didn't think Garland had the cajones. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #144
I was wondering if they would take him into custody before announcing a warrant/indictment Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2021 #4
More likely a fear of ... Whiskeytide Nov 2021 #22
Everybody who's been piling on Garlamd and DOJ lately must be really disappointed. Beastly Boy Nov 2021 #5
Not a different target, just a different reason to go after Garland. George II Nov 2021 #7
StarfishSaver must be smiling somewhere. :) sheshe2 Nov 2021 #14
Yes, indeed. lapucelle Nov 2021 #26
I am smiling from ear to ear. sheshe2 Nov 2021 #33
+++ JohnSJ Nov 2021 #41
Yes, indeed. Has s/he gone off-line? TheRickles Nov 2021 #134
People were not bashing him just to bash him. Most of us were very frustrated. I remember Maraya1969 Nov 2021 #17
Bannon was cited for contempt by the House on October 26. Today is November 12, 17 days later... George II Nov 2021 #27
Many of those who bashed Garland did it out of ignorance of the process onenote Nov 2021 #76
Agree Cha Nov 2021 #113
Most of us here are not lawyers and do not understand how all the various legal processes work. Maraya1969 Nov 2021 #123
I considered that but there were a half dozen "it's about time" OPs already.... George II Nov 2021 #125
Done it several times. No effect. Beastly Boy Nov 2021 #135
Whew.. Speedy.. TY for Cha Nov 2021 #132
Me too. old guy Nov 2021 #55
Be careful. You're challenging their victim narrative. nt Gore1FL Nov 2021 #114
You're right. How thoughtless of me! It is now Garland's fault that Meadows is not indicted. Beastly Boy Nov 2021 #30
Snark! Cha Nov 2021 #131
That's highly unlikely. NurseJackie Nov 2021 #57
Let's see what happens going forward. TeamProg Nov 2021 #70
The timing of all of this is right on schedule - 17 days for an indictment that HAD to wait.... George II Nov 2021 #75
Former U.S. Attorney and JAG prosecutor Glenn Kirschner said in one of his many videos TeamProg Nov 2021 #79
That would depend on the schedule of the Grand Jury, which meets only twice a month..... George II Nov 2021 #86
Did you watch any of the video of the Senate hearing where Garland was answering Qs about TeamProg Nov 2021 #94
What was the good reason? onenote Nov 2021 #77
The good reason most of us have in mind is the lack of charges vs TFG. TeamProg Nov 2021 #85
I'll gladly step up. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #32
I appreciate your honesty Beastly Boy Nov 2021 #48
Then in your view, hamsterjill Nov 2021 #62
I expect some goalpost moving mcar Nov 2021 #69
WHY HASN'T MARK MEADOWS BEEN ARRESTED!!!!????? brooklynite Nov 2021 #81
He's next!!!!!!!!!! WVreaper Nov 2021 #103
One thing at a time, dude. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #139
Nope. Shocked and utterly delighted. I hope he continues to prove me wrong. lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #145
Fantastic! Devil Child Nov 2021 #6
So we're going from Friday news dumps to Friday cliffhangers. dchill Nov 2021 #8
Surprising Slammer Nov 2021 #9
Oh there really is a Santa Claus!!! And right after Mark Meadows fails to show up for his testimony Maraya1969 Nov 2021 #11
Lol! sheshe2 Nov 2021 #24
YESSSSS! leftieNanner Nov 2021 #12
About damn time!!! Initech Nov 2021 #13
NBC News link BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #15
Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Nov 2021 #28
YW! BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #42
... sheshe2 Nov 2021 #53
LOL BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #58
Good ad from your health department. sheshe2 Nov 2021 #63
My youngest nephew got vaxxed this morning BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #88
Excellent!!!! sheshe2 Nov 2021 #93
What's better BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #95
That is a great move by his school. sheshe2 Nov 2021 #97
Aww... BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #98
Thank you BRDS...Pete Williams is a solid reporter. lapucelle Nov 2021 #29
Most welcome! BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #43
Good! Now that fucker probably has just 2 or 3 decades before he faces consequences Orrex Nov 2021 #16
Always so positive orangecrush Nov 2021 #34
Not concerned, just realistic. And seldom wrong about these things. Orrex Nov 2021 #91
You're seriously pooping on this good news? mcar Nov 2021 #71
It'll be good news when that fucker is in jail for the rest of his life Orrex Nov 2021 #90
So the goalposts are being moved from mcar Nov 2021 #99
I didn't set those goalposts, so don't hang that bullshit on me Orrex Nov 2021 #116
Lock him up!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #18
too bad they can't toss hime in County Lockup for multigraincracker Nov 2021 #19
This is one hell of a Friday news dump padah513 Nov 2021 #20
Time to put this room to use. And more can be built too. Botany Nov 2021 #21
It would be true justice orangecrush Nov 2021 #37
I like this one more. Botany Nov 2021 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Botany Nov 2021 #73
FINALLY PA_jen Nov 2021 #23
Better late than never! heckles65 Nov 2021 #25
it took 3 weeks. that's actually pretty fast. RussBLib Nov 2021 #124
Does this mean orangecrush Nov 2021 #31
The arrest warrant has been signed. sheshe2 Nov 2021 #35
.... orangecrush Nov 2021 #36
So now Bannon can wave bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #39
His pardon doesn't apply to new crimes, and TFG can't issue any new pardons. Ocelot II Nov 2021 #44
The penalty is much more BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #101
Step 1 complete. Onward and upward! Lucky Luciano Nov 2021 #40
Indicted is ok. Need a conviction to feel relief Raven123 Nov 2021 #45
I'm sure it's coming. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #138
K&R brer cat Nov 2021 #49
AWESOME news! bluestarone Nov 2021 #50
MSNBC Charlie Sykes; Bannon agreed to appear Monday?? Circus time Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #51
Good thing Mark Meadows got cited so people can keep complaining about Garland not being fast enough brooklynite Nov 2021 #52
I said this in another post in this thread - here is the sequence of events and timing.... George II Nov 2021 #56
Looks like things are falling into place according to normal schedules... NurseJackie Nov 2021 #59
Was it timed so he would be arrested and processed on a weekend? N/T lapucelle Nov 2021 #64
I think it was timed for a Friday afternoon (4PM Eastern) indictment. He'll be in custody.... George II Nov 2021 #66
Guy on MSNBC is saying mcar Nov 2021 #72
Don't forget there was a Federal holiday yesterday BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #102
Yes, I did forget that, thanks. Bottom line, AG Garland did NOT drag his feet on this. George II Nov 2021 #105
W00000000t!!!!! electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #60
Meadows will be next. True Blue American Nov 2021 #61
More details - an arrest warrant has been issued by a Federal judge, and Bannon is "expected".... George II Nov 2021 #65
Woo hoo! mcar Nov 2021 #67
He still has his liberty, so this is a nothingburger. PSPS Nov 2021 #74
I'm not sure where you get your information, but I think you're mistaken. lapucelle Nov 2021 #78
You are correct, up to a year in jail, but still a nothingburger to Bannon Jon King Nov 2021 #82
I don't read right wing sites. And I certainly wouldn't disseminate their talking points. lapucelle Nov 2021 #87
I was just repeating what I heard on NPR. Maybe they were looking at past sentences. PSPS Nov 2021 #83
Yup, it means nothing, right wingers will make him rich. Jon King Nov 2021 #80
Will this impact his overseas work? irisblue Nov 2021 #84
My guess is he will play the martyr, spend his time in prison and make a bunch of money off his yaesu Nov 2021 #89
Where is the progress against DJT? TeamProg Nov 2021 #92
The progress is this. And it is progress in Rule of Law precedents that will last. ancianita Nov 2021 #109
Wow, this isn't how the DOJ was working 1 through 5 years ago. TeamProg Nov 2021 #118
Because it wasn't working. Now you see how a DOJ true to its constitutional oath works. ancianita Nov 2021 #119
No, what I was saying is that the "history" of the DOJ following law & order TeamProg Nov 2021 #120
I hear you ancianita Nov 2021 #127
""And it is progress in Rule of Law precendents that will last."" TeamProg Nov 2021 #122
Please proceed. Cite sources. ancianita Nov 2021 #128
I don't need to cite sources since we all observed the previous admins TeamProg Nov 2021 #130
You sound concerned. lapucelle Nov 2021 #110
Okay, we got the indictment everyone was pining (and bashing Garland) for, so move on to the next... George II Nov 2021 #126
Don't forget to throw away the key Blue Owl Nov 2021 #108
cbs radio news says he declined to give documents Marthe48 Nov 2021 #111
Out-fucking-STANDING! Paladin Nov 2021 #112
Let's jail Bannon UnderThisLaw Nov 2021 #117
if he appears before the committee he will simply decline to answer questions mike_c Nov 2021 #129
An indictment for contempt of Congress for refusing to answer a subpoena lapucelle Nov 2021 #133
Hurry up already. twodogsbarking Nov 2021 #136
Select Committee's 5 Words about the Bannon Indictment, "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW" Stuart G Nov 2021 #141
This afternoon Dreampuff Nov 2021 #143

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
46. This has made my Day
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:32 PM
Nov 2021

Arrest that Fascist SOB. Watch out though Feds, he might be trying to leave the country for Russia

George II

(67,782 posts)
96. He agreed to turn himself in on Monday. Wonder if he'll pull a "Frank Pentangeli" over the weekend?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:03 PM
Nov 2021

sheshe2

(83,926 posts)
100. I had to look him up.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:16 PM
Nov 2021
After the hearing, Corleone family consigliere Tom Hagen (Robert Duvall) visits Pentangeli in custody. Hagen tells Pentangeli, a history buff, a story about how traitors in ancient Rome could spare their families if they committed suicide; the implication being that Michael will take care of Pentangeli's family if he kills himself. Pentangeli thanks Hagen, returns to his assigned quarters, and slits his wrists while taking a bath.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Pentangeli

George II

(67,782 posts)
104. It would not surprise me if trump sends his "consigliere" to advise Bannon to "do the right thing"!
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:34 PM
Nov 2021

ShazzieB

(16,539 posts)
137. Thanks for this explanation.
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 03:29 PM
Nov 2021

I must be the only person on the planet who hasn't seen any of the Godfather movies (although I did read the original novel, back in the 70s), so I was lost.

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
142. What does "turn himself in" actually mean?
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 06:12 PM
Nov 2021

Will he be put in a jail cell? Or be on house arrest? Or anything?
Thanks

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,045 posts)
4. I was wondering if they would take him into custody before announcing a warrant/indictment
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:57 PM
Nov 2021

... due to fears of armed resistance.

Beastly Boy

(9,460 posts)
5. Everybody who's been piling on Garlamd and DOJ lately must be really disappointed.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:58 PM
Nov 2021

They will have to find a different target now.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. Not a different target, just a different reason to go after Garland.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:01 PM
Nov 2021

I wonder if we'll see anyone who bashed him retract their comments?

Maraya1969

(22,504 posts)
17. People were not bashing him just to bash him. Most of us were very frustrated. I remember
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:07 PM
Nov 2021

getting very angry at President Obama a couple times also - that doesn't mean that I wasn't a big supporter of him and very glad he was my president .

So here is one person who was pissed and now I'm not. I'm not taking anything back

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. Bannon was cited for contempt by the House on October 26. Today is November 12, 17 days later...
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:14 PM
Nov 2021

Legal documents take time to prepare, and this had to go to a Grand Jury.

Grand Juries customarily sit twice a month, i.e., every 15-16 days.

Garland did not delay things one bit. I'm disappointed with those who bashed Garland for no reason.

onenote

(42,768 posts)
76. Many of those who bashed Garland did it out of ignorance of the process
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:30 PM
Nov 2021

Sometimes willful ignorance. That's worse than bashing him for no reason, imo.

Maraya1969

(22,504 posts)
123. Most of us here are not lawyers and do not understand how all the various legal processes work.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 10:10 PM
Nov 2021

You could have helped by putting out an OP and explaining this to everyone in the begining.

George II

(67,782 posts)
125. I considered that but there were a half dozen "it's about time" OPs already....
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 10:17 PM
Nov 2021

Wish I'd jumped on it immediately, but they were there in a New York Minute.

Beastly Boy

(9,460 posts)
30. You're right. How thoughtless of me! It is now Garland's fault that Meadows is not indicted.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:16 PM
Nov 2021

He will be found in contempt any minute now, and Garland is still twiddling his thumbs and sabotaging the efforts to indict him!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
57. That's highly unlikely.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:54 PM
Nov 2021

There will still be those who won't be satisfied until he tweets out hourly updates of what he's up to... and posts "selfie" images showing how hard he's working.

This is too important to rush. This must be done carefully and with deliberate attention to detail. Nothing should be left to chance. No mistakes!

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
70. Let's see what happens going forward.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:12 PM
Nov 2021

A LOT of smart left wingers were bashing Garland for good reason.

Let us all see if the DOJ goes after TFG.

Bannon is what, 1 of 26 people subpoenaed who haven't shown up?

Yes, it's progress.

George II

(67,782 posts)
75. The timing of all of this is right on schedule - 17 days for an indictment that HAD to wait....
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:22 PM
Nov 2021

....at least 15-16 days.

People should do some research on how these things proceed - this was VERY fast, and no doubt others will be just as timely.

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
79. Former U.S. Attorney and JAG prosecutor Glenn Kirschner said in one of his many videos
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:33 PM
Nov 2021

- recommended viewing by the way - that he expected an indictment of Bannon within nine days after he didn't responded to the subpeona.

He used to work for the DOJ in the D.C. office.

I'd say he knows a thing or two.

George II

(67,782 posts)
86. That would depend on the schedule of the Grand Jury, which meets only twice a month.....
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:41 PM
Nov 2021

Even so, he said nine days, this was 17 days. I won't quibble over about a week.

AG Garland sure wasn't sitting on his hands about this, and he certainly didn't deserve all the trash that was thrown at him.

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
94. Did you watch any of the video of the Senate hearing where Garland was answering Qs about
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:57 PM
Nov 2021

the "memo" he sent to school boards about the violence and threats at school board meetings?

I did, Garland was weak, he didn't fight back at the many non-truths that the GOPsters were spitting out.

Garland just sat there taking all that BS as if it were true, not correcting, not verbally disagreeing with all-out lies.
It was embarrassing. Seriously.

Indicting Bannon is the bare minimum expected of him.

Where are the charges vs TFG?

onenote

(42,768 posts)
77. What was the good reason?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:31 PM
Nov 2021

And how many of the other subpoenaed witnesses have had Congress refer a contempt charge to the DOJ?

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
85. The good reason most of us have in mind is the lack of charges vs TFG.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:40 PM
Nov 2021

This Bannon / Select Committee stuff is still new.

Where is the progress against DJT?

Obstruction
Conspiracy
Hatch Act
Attempt to committ Election Fraud and the conspiracy involved there
Tax evasion


OMG, there is so much more.

Where are the indictments?

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
32. I'll gladly step up.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:17 PM
Nov 2021

And eat crow as I said in many of my posts pushing for some form of punishment for defying a subpoena. Now, let’s see what actually happens to Bannon. This is a step in the right direction at least.

No one here was bashing Garland simply to be bashing Garland. We all simply don’t want some jerk like Bannon getting away with things that we, ourselves, would be locked up for. He is a traitor and he needs to be held accountable and time is of the essence. We were not alone, either, in that many legal scholars have called for action.

Beastly Boy

(9,460 posts)
48. I appreciate your honesty
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:33 PM
Nov 2021

It is likely that most people (not sure if it was everyone) who bashed Garland simply because they declined to exercise patience in any reasonable manner, not because they had a grudge. A case in instant gratification, not malice. But that was still an insult to Garland's good faith and professionalism, as unintended as it may have been.

hamsterjill

(15,224 posts)
62. Then in your view,
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:02 PM
Nov 2021

I’ll have to live with the idea that I insulted Garland. I don’t look at it that way, and I’m not likely to change my mind set.

I want Bannon behind bars and to be able to feel that he cannot hurt my country further. If that is an insult to someone - anyone - then I can live with that. Again, none of us on DU wanting action were alone in those complaints. Some of the best legal scholars of our time were right there with us, including Norm Eisen.

Thanks for the response, and have yourself a nice weekend.

BumRushDaShow

(129,541 posts)
15. NBC News link
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:07 PM
Nov 2021
Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon indicted by federal grand jury for contempt of Congress

Nov. 12, 2021, 3:58 PM EST
By Pete Williams

Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon was indicted by a federal grand jury Friday, charged with contempt of Congress for refusing to answer questions from the House Committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

The indictment is a first. No one has ever been prosecuted before for contempt of Congress when executive privilege was asserted. The past cases involved defendants whose testimony was sought regarding their government service. Bannon, by contrast, left his White House job in 2017, well before the period of interest to the House committee.

If convicted, Bannon could face up to a year behind bars and a fine of up to $100,000. The fact that the Justice Department was willing to charge him with criminal contempt, despite an assertion of executive privilege, may help persuade other reluctant witnesses to agree to cooperate with the committee's investigation. The committee has subpoenaed 16 former Trump White House officials for testimony, documents or both.

The House voted Oct. 27 to find Bannon in contempt after he declined to provide the Jan. 6 committee with documents and testimony. Committee members cited comments Bannon made on his radio program the day before the riot. "All hell is going to break loose tomorrow," he said on the program. The House panel said the statement suggested that "he had some foreknowledge about extreme events that would occur the next day."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/former-trump-adviser-steve-bannon-indicted-federal-grand-jury-contempt-n1283834

BumRushDaShow

(129,541 posts)
58. LOL
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:56 PM
Nov 2021

Our Health Department retweeted one of the local orgs (established by NIH) promoting outreach and messaging, recently to get kids vaccinated.




TEXT

Philly CEAL
@PhillyCEAL
So excited! #VaxUpPhillyKids
Philadelphia Public Health
@PHLPublicHealth
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AM: http://ow.ly/sP1Y50GH4hV
PM: http://ow.ly/Bj5250GH4rG
Embedded video
4:45 PM · Nov 9, 2021


Love it!

sheshe2

(83,926 posts)
63. Good ad from your health department.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:04 PM
Nov 2021

I love her happy dance.

Our wee ones, all but one (2 yr.) have appointments scheduled.

BumRushDaShow

(129,541 posts)
88. My youngest nephew got vaxxed this morning
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:44 PM
Nov 2021

so he could rest the weekend in case of any reactions. His shot #2 is in December.

BumRushDaShow

(129,541 posts)
95. What's better
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:01 PM
Nov 2021

is that his school did it as part of a vaccine clinic they setup for the students so they have the shots done there and then they'll schedule the 2nd doses, which would be done there too.

sheshe2

(83,926 posts)
97. That is a great move by his school.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:07 PM
Nov 2021

A familiar place surrounded by friends.

My sister just sent me a pic of my great niece holding up her vaccine card after her shot this afternoon.

BumRushDaShow

(129,541 posts)
98. Aww...
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:11 PM
Nov 2021

I bet she was proud to have "her card". Gives them a sense of pride being a good citizen and helping to save lives.

Orrex

(63,225 posts)
90. It'll be good news when that fucker is in jail for the rest of his life
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:48 PM
Nov 2021

Until then, well, we’ve seen this shit before.

mcar

(42,376 posts)
99. So the goalposts are being moved from
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:13 PM
Nov 2021

"Do something, Garland!" to if Bannon isn't locked up for the rest of his life (which isn't going to happen based on these charges) than it's nothing?

Orrex

(63,225 posts)
116. I didn't set those goalposts, so don't hang that bullshit on me
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 09:30 PM
Nov 2021

Look, I get that it's uncomfortable for you to accept that everyone doesn't have infinite patience and boundless faith in The Sacred Process.

If you are unable to bear the realization that everyone doesn't think like you, then I invite you not to read my posts.

Botany

(70,589 posts)
47. I like this one more.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:32 PM
Nov 2021

Last edited Sat Nov 13, 2021, 07:24 AM - Edit history (3)



Or just get some kind of boat or barge on the Potomac and put their asses there. For the love God they tried to violently
overthrow our country.

Response to orangecrush (Reply #37)

bucolic_frolic

(43,308 posts)
39. So now Bannon can wave
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:22 PM
Nov 2021

his Presidential Pardon? The penalty for contempt of Congress is minimal - $1000 fine and 30 days in jail. Or at least that's what I read.

BumRushDaShow

(129,541 posts)
101. The penalty is much more
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:25 PM
Nov 2021

(from the article I posted up thread that was recently updated) -

Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon indicted by federal grand jury for contempt of Congress
The indictment is a first: No one has been prosecuted for contempt of Congress when executive privilege was asserted.

Nov. 12, 2021, 3:58 PM EST / Updated Nov. 12, 2021, 4:12 PM EST
By Pete Williams

WASHINGTON — Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon was indicted by a federal grand jury Friday, charged with contempt of Congress for refusing to answer questions from the House Committee investigating the Jan. 6 Capitol riot.

(snip)

He was charged Friday with two contempt counts — one for refusing to appear for a deposition and another for declining to produce documents requested by the committee. If convicted, Bannon could face up to a year behind bars and a fine of up to $100,000.

A law enforcement official said Bannon is expected to surrender on Monday and appear in court that afternoon. Neither Bannon nor his attorney immediately responded to a request for comment. Attorney General Merrick Garland issued a brief statement explaining the decision to indict Bannon.

"Since my first day in office," he said, "I have promised Justice Department employees that together we would show the American people by word and deed that the department adheres to the rule of law, follows the facts and the law, and pursues equal justice under the law. Today's charges reflect the department’s steadfast commitment to these principles.”

(snip)

More: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/former-trump-adviser-steve-bannon-indicted-federal-grand-jury-contempt-n1283834

ShazzieB

(16,539 posts)
138. I'm sure it's coming.
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 03:46 PM
Nov 2021

It would be nice if these things moved faster, but at least we now know for a fact that they ARE moving. (Not that I ever doubted it myself.)

He is supposed to appear in court on Monday and will likely enter a plea of Not Guilty, but that's okay, because that's what almost of them do. He'll be convicted in the end, because he based his refusal to appear on executive privilege, of which he has exactly ZERO.

George II

(67,782 posts)
56. I said this in another post in this thread - here is the sequence of events and timing....
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:53 PM
Nov 2021

....for something like this.

Bannon was formally cited for contempt on October 26.

The indictment must be issued by a Grand Jury, as was done today.

Grand Juries sit twice a month, roughly every 15-16 days.

Today is November 12, only 17 days since the contempt citation.

Even if the House prepared the paperwork for the referral to the DOJ the very same day, October 26, the earliest that an indictment could be handed down would be November 10.

So at worst Garland "sat on this" for only two or three days!

So this is what everyone was complaining about and bashing Garland about? TWO OR THREE DAYS????

Unbelievable.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
59. Looks like things are falling into place according to normal schedules...
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:57 PM
Nov 2021

... it's just that everyone else had unreasonable expectations. Many used their impatience to lash-out at the Biden administration's Department of Justice. Shameful.

George II

(67,782 posts)
66. I think it was timed for a Friday afternoon (4PM Eastern) indictment. He'll be in custody....
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:07 PM
Nov 2021

...on Monday. It's been agreed that he'll turn himself in then.

mcar

(42,376 posts)
72. Guy on MSNBC is saying
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:15 PM
Nov 2021

this was remarkably fast. Not good enough, of course, for the NOW, NOW, NOW!!11 crowd.

BumRushDaShow

(129,541 posts)
102. Don't forget there was a Federal holiday yesterday
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 07:30 PM
Nov 2021

so you had people probably working OT to get things ready (been there done that ) but the jurors were probably off yesterday too.

George II

(67,782 posts)
65. More details - an arrest warrant has been issued by a Federal judge, and Bannon is "expected"....
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:06 PM
Nov 2021

....to turn himself in on Monday.

I guess that's good, but I'd much rather see something like this (Jim Bakker's perp walk):

PSPS

(13,616 posts)
74. He still has his liberty, so this is a nothingburger.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:19 PM
Nov 2021

Even if he's "convicted," the "penalty" is 30 - 90 days in jail plus a $10 - $100 fine.

lapucelle

(18,350 posts)
78. I'm not sure where you get your information, but I think you're mistaken.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:33 PM
Nov 2021
Each count of contempt of Congress is a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail and a maximum fine of $100,000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/12/trump-ally-steve-bannon-indicted-for-dodging-jan-6-probe-subpoena.html

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If convicted, Bannon could face up to a year behind bars and a fine of up to $100,000.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/former-trump-adviser-steve-bannon-indicted-federal-grand-jury-contempt-n1283834

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Bannon’s indictment also notes that not only did he not cooperate, but he ignored the committee altogether until after the deadline to respond. Bannon faces two counts, each carrying a maximum of a year in prison and a $100,000 fine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/12/message-steve-bannons-indictment-sends/

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And there is a mandatory minimum of one month in prison for each conviction.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
82. You are correct, up to a year in jail, but still a nothingburger to Bannon
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:35 PM
Nov 2021

Read any right wing site, Bannon is a king now. A year in jail for not cooperating in exchange for tons of money for appearances, speeches, book deals. Bannon will gladly serve his time.

PSPS

(13,616 posts)
83. I was just repeating what I heard on NPR. Maybe they were looking at past sentences.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:36 PM
Nov 2021

They made it clear that this was a misdemeanor, so max jail is one year.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
80. Yup, it means nothing, right wingers will make him rich.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:34 PM
Nov 2021

Not sure why people think Bannon cares. He won't cooperate, serve his time, and be a MAGA god. Make tons of money off MAGA donors, webcasts, books, TV appearances, speeches.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
89. My guess is he will play the martyr, spend his time in prison and make a bunch of money off his
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:45 PM
Nov 2021

new status.

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
92. Where is the progress against DJT?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:50 PM
Nov 2021

Much of mine and others' frustration with the DOJ is the lack of charges vs TFG.


This Bannon / Select Committee stuff is still new.

Where is the progress against DJT?

Obstruction
Conspiracy
Hatch Act
Attempt to commit Election Fraud and the conspiracy involved there
Tax evasion


OMG, there is so much more.

Where are the indictments?

Trump and Trumpism needs to be put behind bars - for real and figuratively.




ancianita

(36,137 posts)
109. The progress is this. And it is progress in Rule of Law precedents that will last.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 08:02 PM
Nov 2021

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First, the DOJ precedent is set that Congress can depend on the Executive Branch's Department of Justice to support it.

Second, the Department of Justice is so thorough in its layout of Rule of Law in this case that the Third Branch will also join in on this the decision to protect against the attack on this longest standing democracy, brought on by those who tried to corrupt all three branches.

Third, Rule of Law will have a body of precedent, across three branches, no matter what happens in 2022 and 2024.

This is historical.

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
118. Wow, this isn't how the DOJ was working 1 through 5 years ago.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 09:41 PM
Nov 2021

You wrote ""First, the DOJ precendent is set that Congress can depend on the Executive Branch's Department of Justice to support it. ""

Answer:

1. Bill Barr and the Mueller Report.
2. Russian collusion = Why would Putin lie?
3. Extorting Ukraine's Zelensky ( sp?)

Your 2nd and 3rd points follow the very same politics as above.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
119. Because it wasn't working. Now you see how a DOJ true to its constitutional oath works.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 09:51 PM
Nov 2021

None of those instances connect to the heart of American democracy.

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
120. No, what I was saying is that the "history" of the DOJ following law & order
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 10:03 PM
Nov 2021

is as of 2017, a MYTH. Some might argue since further back.

What you said in your previous post is not an absolute.

Now, it is NOT political for Garland to go after all law breakers, what IS political is for him to "weigh" the political consequences of going after powerful law-breakers BEFORE DECIDING to either going after them or NOT going after them.


Someone's "oath" is only as valid as the person who takes that oath deems it to be, right?

Apparently even TRUTH and FACT are debatable to some people.



ancianita

(36,137 posts)
127. I hear you
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 10:35 PM
Nov 2021

Last edited Tue Dec 7, 2021, 08:37 PM - Edit history (1)

about the 2017 DOJ behavior as a myth, and that what I'm saying is not absolute.

I get your reasoning, but do not see Garland's weighing of the consequences as political.
His weighing based on law.

Why? Because Garland does not agree with your presumption of men as "powerful."
Because he does not swear an oath to rule of men, but Rule Of Law -- to protect and defend law, not men.

Therefore, no. No one who understands constitutional law bases its validity at all on some oath taker's interpretation.

So neither my interpretation nor yours nor the oath takers' are valid but by enforcement in word and deed.

Heh heh. Sure. Definitely, truth and fact exist whether "some people" debate it or not.
Only a Gallup Poll would give us their numbers.

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
122. ""And it is progress in Rule of Law precendents that will last.""
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 10:08 PM
Nov 2021

Rule Of Law Precedents didn't last through TFG's admin.

TeamProg

(6,251 posts)
130. I don't need to cite sources since we all observed the previous admins
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 02:10 AM
Nov 2021

disregard for the rule of law.

Most of us were there!

I guess some people missed that unruly part of TFG's admin.

Pardon me!




George II

(67,782 posts)
126. Okay, we got the indictment everyone was pining (and bashing Garland) for, so move on to the next...
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 10:19 PM
Nov 2021

...target.

Like there's nothing going on in the DOJ, as was suspected in this light speed indictment.

SMDH!

Marthe48

(17,035 posts)
111. cbs radio news says he declined to give documents
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 08:06 PM
Nov 2021

GDI-he refused. Stop sugar-coating the criminal acts of traitor and his henchmen.

Paladin

(28,275 posts)
112. Out-fucking-STANDING!
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 08:08 PM
Nov 2021

I'd like to think that all the gripes here at DU played a part in this most welcome action.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
129. if he appears before the committee he will simply decline to answer questions
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 11:56 PM
Nov 2021

This is little more than theater.

lapucelle

(18,350 posts)
133. An indictment for contempt of Congress for refusing to answer a subpoena
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 07:39 AM
Nov 2021

to appear to answer questions concerning one's role in planning an insurrection with the goal of disrupting the peaceful transfer of presidential power...

...is more than theater.

"Little more than theater" is such an interesting expression. Isn't that the term Rand Paul uses for the wearing of masks during a global pandemic?



Stuart G

(38,448 posts)
141. Select Committee's 5 Words about the Bannon Indictment, "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"
Sat Nov 13, 2021, 04:24 PM
Nov 2021

About him not showing up ...

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