3 men involved in Ahmaud Arbery's killing found guilty of murder and other charges
Source: CNN
Brunswick, Georgia (CNN)A jury Wednesday found three White men charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, a 25-year-old Black man, guilty on multiple murder counts, as well as other charges.
The verdict, delivered by nine White men, two White women and one Black man, came after hours of deliberation spanning two days. It followed eight days of testimony, involving 23 witnesses.
The men each faced the same nine counts, and verdict were as follows:
Travis McMichael, who fatally shot Arbery, is guilty on all charges: malice murder, four counts of felony murder, two counts of aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal attempt to commit a felony;
His father, Gregory McMichael, who rode armed in the bed of a pickup truck as his son pursued Arbery, is not guilty of malice murder but guilty on the other eight charges.
And William "Roddie" Bryan Jr., a neighbor who joined the pursuit and filmed Arbery's final moments, is guilty of three counts of felony murder, one count of aggravated assault, false imprisonment and criminal attempt to commit a felony.
Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/24/us/ahmaud-arbery-killing-trial-wednesday-jury-deliberations/index.html
iluvtennis
(19,871 posts)hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)Anyone else?
George II
(67,782 posts)PatSeg
(47,586 posts)to those in the courtroom. It probably would have been even quicker except the charges for McMichael and Bryan were different. There could have been some disagreement there among the jurors.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)the same as the others. Couldn't that discourage others from videotaping crimes they had any connection with?
cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)This guy apparently was one of the few moronic ones that actually decided to go against the grain and film it.
lildDemz
(64 posts)He joined the pursuers to be "kidnapping" or preventing the victim's movement.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)a murder.
And if his recording didn't exist, no one might be going to prison for the murder.
lapfog_1
(29,222 posts)and they kill someone inside the bank... you are guilty of murder even if you didn't know they had a gun. all that is required is that you knowingly participated in the bank robbery.
He trapped Aubrey by using his vehicle to run him down. He could have simply stayed home or called 911.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)decides not to film an ongoing crime.
lapfog_1
(29,222 posts)a black guy... and he wanted to post the video for the youtube hits it would get from people that like to see a black man "under citizens arrest" for whatever imagined crimes they thought Aubrey committed.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)who watched the trial, and heard the claims, from videotaping anything.
happy feet
(871 posts)An onlooker videoing a crime does not participate in the crime. You seem not to digest that he participated in the crime by chasing and trapping Arbery with his vehicle and felony murder for his participation in the murder. Onlookers don't participate in the crime. Apples and oranges.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)of things -- which many people did -- then they'd have heard his attorney claim that he only thought they were making an arrest, not murdering anyone, and that once he realized they were up to no good, he pulled out his cell phone.
And haven't you ever heard of the FBI using informants, who did participate in crimes, to implicate people higher up the chain? Most people know this happens, and some potential informants might be disturbed that Bryan wasn't let off easier, since his phone provided the evidence.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,214 posts)when he should have been calling the police.
wnylib
(21,606 posts)The justice system worked this time and I'm glad it did.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)The entire thread was started BEFORE the verdicts and in fact the OP subject line was edited to reflect the verdicts AFTERWARDS.
George II
(67,782 posts)...."live updates". I've been told to update both as they change over the course of an hour or two.
I forget now, but I believe my original subject line was the first CNN "headline" at the bottom of their screen, which was that the jury reached a verdict.
Bottom line, they were found guilty on 23 of the total of 27 charges, and will each probably spend the rest of their lives in jail.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)because of comments made well before any verdicts were announced.
George II
(67,782 posts)The changes occurred over the course of 51 minutes.
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hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)This happens frequently with rapidly moving news stories. It has occasionally resulted in major misunderstandings that led to accusations, denunciations, and obviously a bunch of alerted posts.
Not sure why some don't realize that it is THEY who are coming late to a thread, but...
ShazzieB
(16,511 posts)I assume that all of the comments on the story are responding to THAT story, not some other previous version of the story. It would never occur to me that they aren't, or that I should carefully examine all the edits to the o.p. before responding or scrutinize the time when certain comments were made. I had NO idea that an o.p. might be drastically changed after people had started commenting, as seems to have happened here.
Furthermore, if I posted something earlier in a thread that is now moot because the o.p. is completely different from what I responded to, I would not be at all surprised to get comments expressing confusion. Once I realized what had happened, I would either edit my comment to add a disclaimer or delete it entirely.
What I would NOT do is complain that later posters didn't read my mind and immediately realize what I was REALLY responding to.
I have deleted my earlier comment that was made based on the above understanding, because I don't want to continue adding to the confusion.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)The OP, having changed their subject line to update to reflect the verdict received minutes later lead to that confusion.
This happens sometimes. So, I will simply self-delete in the future when a thread has been updated so much that my comment has become irrelevant. As you called me out for "complaining" about those reaming me for an innocent pre-verdict comment saying "I was anxious," I hope that that will satisfy you.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)Just curious. It is REALLY uncalled for over a simple misunderstanding in a subthread in which you were not even involved.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)in fact, I'm very close to tears..So glad to see justice done, so glad for his family.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)See the explanation already provided in post#73 made more than an hour and 20 minutes after the first, which came several minutes BEFORE the verdicts were handed down.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)
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Floyd R. Turbo
(26,584 posts)Ninga
(8,277 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)His father is guilty on 8 of the 9 charges.
calimary
(81,459 posts)In a way, we ALL got justice today!
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)Yee-Haw.
UGADawg
(501 posts)Guilty
George II
(67,782 posts)...(if I counted correctly)
FarPoint
(12,437 posts)Linda Dunikoski.... A true professional...I am impressed and most grateful for her service.
Now for that racist blonde defense attorney....." See, your racist, dirty toenail comment left a lasting memory with me and this Jury"....Found your client guilty!
George II
(67,782 posts)FarPoint
(12,437 posts)I was in full attention....this closing and rebuttal should be a learning tool for future lawyers..... Masterful....
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)FarPoint
(12,437 posts)I felt comfortable with him as well....
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)What a difference that makes
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)to have a judge overseeing the case who didn't have his thumb pressed firmly on the scales of justice?
There's a certain judge in Wisconsin who would do well to study this.
George II
(67,782 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)Guilty verdicts coming in even for those who didn't shoot.
They were all " team members"....
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)Upthevibe
(8,071 posts)Thank you for the post....
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Kali
(55,019 posts)what ugly depraved assholes
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)bluestarone
(17,030 posts)RussBLib
(9,035 posts)justice!!!!
way to go, Georgia!!
Demobrat
(8,989 posts)those criminals are off the streets.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)CrispyQ
(36,509 posts)RIP Ahmaud Arbery
Traildogbob
(8,797 posts)I will spend thanksgiving thankful of some hope for this country forward. Maybe more justice coming for trump et al.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,191 posts)Fla Dem
(23,741 posts)RevBrotherThomas
(838 posts)Not justice.
Justice would be an alive Ahmaud Arbery.
But thank God all the same.
KS Toronado
(17,316 posts)unlike how they did after the kyle rottenmouse verdict. So they gonna hit the streets protesting
or go threaten the jurors?
Roc2020
(1,616 posts)but very grateful for the verdict
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)But was kinda leaning towards convictions for the other two.
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)He was found not guilty on three counts I think but will still do life.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)possibly no one would have even been charged.
Polybius
(15,476 posts)Because with out it, it might have been a different outcome.
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)Tensions had been rising and the story was that a truck with guys in it flying a rebel flag shot him in the back from the truck. So he knew that wasnt true because he had seen the video
barbtries
(28,811 posts)in one place and be served in another. this crazy country.
CrispyQ
(36,509 posts)And this guy's been around for a long time. Makes you wonder how many other judges are on the bench that aren't fit.
George II
(67,782 posts)...was 10 time fairer than that idiot in Wisconsin.
I was very impressed with this judge's even handedness and fairness. He pretty much let both sides present their cases without much interference or direction.
And the prosecutor, Linda Dunikoski, was spectacular.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)apparently some people NEED video to decide what is "reasonable"
ancianita
(36,133 posts)hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)I've seen murderers get 15 yrs. While a guy selling dope gets 30.
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)These guys are toast and will be lifers!!
ancianita
(36,133 posts)Was worried they would get off due to this being in the South.
keithbvadu2
(36,906 posts)oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)sop
(10,243 posts)On June 26, 2020, Kemp signed a hate crimes bill legislation, after more than a decade without one on the books. Kemp said the "vigilante-style" shooting of Arbery pushed the legislation's passage. (Disclaimer: I'm not a Kemp supporter)
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)They jumped on both laws quickly
RainCaster
(10,914 posts)RFCalifornia
(440 posts)Two worst White Power Prison gangs
Paladin
(28,272 posts)PA_jen
(1,114 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)100 Black Pastors - 3
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)kellytore
(182 posts)to look for some new guests next week since these 3 will not be available.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)and keep tongue-bathing Kyle Slaughterhouse, and all of the "patriots" of 1/6.
Fuck him.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)Trump gets his photo op stop right?
markbark
(1,562 posts)TFG only likes people that win their cases
orangecrush
(19,617 posts)wnylib
(21,606 posts)sold on that lame self-defense story.
Glad to see that the justice system still functions in some parts of the country.
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)You cant claim self defense in a situation YOU start
wnylib
(21,606 posts)self-evident to me. My first reaction when I heard the self defense excuse was, "Well, you wouldn't need to defend yourself if you weren't hunting down a man who was only defending himself from you."
Same as with baby Rottenhouse. He would not have feared for his life if he had not been strutting around with a gun as a vigilante pointing it at people.
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quakerboy
(13,921 posts)Its as close to a correct resolution of this case as I think is possible in a world where we cant go back in time and prevent murder.
Quick technical question. How can you have one murderer convicted of 3 counts of felony murder for one murder?
onenote
(42,759 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)But felony murder is an unjust charge and having three felony murder charges for each of several attached felonies is absurd and only happens in the United States. It's clownish.
Felony murder is most often used to send people of color to prison for decades, in any case. It's an element of the carceral state and should be aboished. Charge actual murderers with murder. Charge people for the crimes they commit.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)Motherfuckers.
edbermac
(15,945 posts)So all I have to say about the verdict is FUCK YEAH!
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MyMission
(1,850 posts)For many years to come.
spooky3
(34,476 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)this will send a message that it's no okay to be a good ole' boy with a gun at the ready whenever you feel like using it. The prosecutor did a stellar job. I wish someone like that had represented the state in the trial that didn't go so well this week.
nilram
(2,893 posts)Withywindle
(9,988 posts)Great news, and a huge relief. Thanks for posting!
Bayard
(22,149 posts)Its somewhat amazing to me that they were convicted for killing a black man in a southern state, while a white murderer goes free in a northern state.
Huge difference in judges.
RFCalifornia
(440 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)OK, this week was not a total loss
LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)Marthe48
(17,018 posts)Glad to see Mr. Arbery will have justice. It won't bring him back, but I hope this verdict makes his death matter, that vigilante whites will think before they shoot.
I pray for comfort for his family. All of this turmoil just brings back the keen loss they have.
Red Mountain
(1,737 posts)over darkness
myohmy2
(3,176 posts)...is what justice is supposed to look like...
...
AdamGG
(1,294 posts)I'm not a fan of capital punishment, but Georgia currently has 39 people on death row. The prosecutor is asking for life without parole, but is there a reason they're not seeking the death penalty? If there is one, these guys qualify.
in2herbs
(2,947 posts)deep dive into their roots, like the tv show Finding Your Roots. Imagine them spending the rest of their life in prison if they had some other than white roots in their genealogy. It would freak them out, I'd guess.
Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)Ahmaud Arbery was jogging. I understand he was unarmed and minding his own business when they molested him.
Wolf
Skittles
(153,193 posts)apparently Wisconsin needs VIDEO to see what is "reasonable"
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)I agree these guys are guilty but how can they have multiple murder charges when there was only one murder?
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Now we must learn why it took months for these pukes to be arrested???
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Pa. law today!!
Title 18 b
(3) A private person who assists another private person in effecting an unlawful arrest, or who, not being summoned, assists a peace officer in effecting an unlawful arrest, is justified in using any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful, if:
(i) he believes the arrest is lawful; and
(ii) the arrest would be lawful if the facts were as he believes them to be.
That is law in PA.
Those three pukes would have gotten away with it in PA!!!!!!!!! They would have never been arrested. You just have to believe the arrest is lawful in Pa. to be able to use "any force". Think about that for a minute. I don't like my neighbor. You cut me off in traffic. You dented my car. You assaulted me. I believe you took my drill. Come with me if you don't I will shoot you.
Kaleva
(36,341 posts)" is justified in using any force which he would be justified in using if the arrest were lawful,"