New Reconstruction Points to Animal Origins for Covid-19
Source: The Wall Street Journal.
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New Reconstruction Points to Animal Origins for Covid-19
An evolutionary biologist reviewed data and reports on first known cases to show most were clustered around Wuhans seafood market
By Betsy McKay
https://twitter.com/betswrites
betsy.mckay@wsj.com
Updated Nov. 18, 2021 2:31 pm ET
A scientist known for investigating viral origins has reconstructed the first known weeks of the Covid-19 pandemic, adding to a growing body of evidence that the virus behind it jumped from infected animals to humans rather than emerging from laboratory research.
In a paper published Thursday in the academic journal Science, Michael Worobey concludes a wholesale seafood market in Wuhan, China, where live mammals were sold is very likely to be the site of the origin of the pandemic.
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A scientist known for investigating viral origins concluded that Covid-19 likely jumped to humans from animals, with early transmission at a Wuhan market where live raccoon dogs were sold
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Bayard
(22,123 posts)Do they EAT this dogs? I can't imagine!
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)
until the placeholder between the Obama and Biden Administrations decided to start a trade war with China. With no US pork available, they went back to eating small animals.
Without the need to eat small animals, the coronavirus would not have made the jump to humans. And without Trump allowing 40,000 people to fly to the US from China in the early days before we had testing, the virus could have been contained.
Therefore, the pandemic is 100 percent Trumps fault.
Larissa
(790 posts)From CNN Australia March 8, 2020
Igel
(35,337 posts)It relies on the cases attested elsewhere as having been transmitted from the market by means of asymptomatic carriers. Certainly possible.
On the other hand, it's possible that a superspreader worked in that part of the market, or happened to be there and spent a lot of time there at the right time. Meaning that the virus walked into the market--perhaps in somebody symptomatic, perhaps in an asymptomatic carrier.
What they need is some evidence showing that the virus was somehow adapted specifically to this particular critter. I haven't see n that claim yet.
I'm trying to say that I recall one family that was infected (early evidence for human-to-human transmission) had more than one person connected to the market. But I don't know that I recall that being confirmed or if it was a bit of missed-information, something claimed given some rumor but dismissed as false a few days later. Fog of war and all that.
It also goes against a few things. It resets the timeline for the "first known case" later than two other proposed "first known cases," if I recall correctly. One first case was in mid-November, the other on/about Dec. 1. Hadn't heard that the early first identified cases were debunked.
Omaha Steve
(99,687 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,987 posts)WHITT
(2,868 posts)to beat on it some more.
Wuhan MAY well have been the initial location of the outbreak WITHIN CHINA, but China WAS NOT the "origin of the pandemic", as cases were documented much earlier in Europe, not to mention the strain that infected New York originated in Europe, not China.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)NT
WHITT
(2,868 posts)Cases documented in Italy in September 2019, and evidence of cases in Spain even before that. Earliest cases in China were later.
NT
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,570 posts)maybe, maybe not.
For instance:
By Yasemin Saplakoglu November 18, 2020
A new study suggests as early as September of last year, but some experts are skeptical.
The new coronavirus may have been circulating in Italy since September 2019, months before the first official case was detected in the country, according to a new study from Italy. But public health experts say that more analysis is needed for that timeline to be confirmed.
The World Health Organization's China office first picked up the scent of a mysterious cluster of pneumonia cases in the city of Wuhan from local media statements on Dec. 31 and rang the alarm bells at the start of the new year, according to the WHO's timeline. Scientists later traced the first known case of COVID-19 in Wuhan back to Nov. 17, 2019, Live Science previously reported.
But the actual pandemic timeline from the moment the virus hopped from animals to humans to when it first crossed international borders remains murky. Italy, one of the worst-hit countries in Europe during the first wave of the virus, recorded its first local case on Feb. 20 in Lombardy, a region in northern Italy. That case suggested that the virus had been circulating in Italy since January of this year, according to the new study published on Nov. 11 in the Tumori Journal.
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"I would be very cautious," about these findings, said Dr. George Rutherford, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco, who was also not a part of the study. The results "have to be confirmed with different antibody tests," that look for the prevalence of antibodies that target other parts of the coronavirus.
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Something more recent would help.
Thanks.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)the "some experts are skeptical" shit.
These are the same clowns that are trying to sell the stand-on-your-head-and-rub-your-tummy conspiracy that the virus was created in/escaped from a lab, without a scintilla of evidence, yet they are "skeptical" of actual scientific evidence.
Here's the original cite:
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/researchers-find-coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-idUSKBN27W1J2
and the Italian scientists published a round two, addressing and debunking the fake criticisms and skepticism, which is also posted here somewhere.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,570 posts)WHITT
(2,868 posts)That was a year ago. You're a little late.
Rural_Progressive
(1,106 posts)We will never know. The CCP has destroyed all the information and material needed to figure anything out about the origin and etiology of this strain of virus.
End.Of.Story
WHITT
(2,868 posts)Cases in Europe well before China.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)NT
WHITT
(2,868 posts)Apparently you haven't been paying attention, as this was all laid out in a number of previous threads.
Rural_Progressive
(1,106 posts)we know folks who do know a whole lot about this whole mess.
Rural_Progressive
(1,106 posts)Because there is line of evidence suggesting this whole thing started in a copper mine in Yunnan province back then.
Like I said, with the coverup the CCP instigated there will never be a clear line of evidence that will pinpoint how this whole sh*tshow actually started.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)No there isn't.
The U.S. wouldn't be cooperating with a bogus investigation that started at another time and in another country, I don't get why some folks expect China to do so. You can't coverup something that never happened.