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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:41 PM Nov 2021

Manchin Says Inflation, Omicron Should Give Congress 'Cause to Pause' on Biden Social Bill

Source: Newsweek

Senator Joe Manchin is raising concerns about forging ahead with President Joe Biden's Build Back Better bill amid inflation and a new strain of the coronavirus.

Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill, the West Virginia Democrat said there is still much that is unknown about the Omicron variant. Scientists fear the strain is potentially more transmissible than other variants, but it's unclear if it causes more severe illness and whether vaccines are effective in combating it. No cases have been reported yet in the United States, but the variant has prompted a new wave of global travel restrictions.

"No one knows what effect it's going to have, and you have inflation on top," Manchin said. "So all these things give you cause to pause." Manchin, a critical vote for Democrats as they seek to pass the sweeping social safety net and climate change package via the Senate's reconciliation process, has previously called for a strategic pause on additional spending.

The moderate senator has also repeatedly said he will not support a final package that negatively affects the national debt or that "risks hurting American families suffering from historic inflation."

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/manchin-says-inflation-omicron-should-give-congress-cause-pause-biden-social-bill-1654450



The House-passed version of the package includes money for universal prekindergarten, child care subsidies, an extension of the child tax credit, expanding Medicare to cover hearing services and four weeks of paid family leave.

Manchin reiterated his opposition to paid family leave's inclusion in the package, arguing it should be done as a stand-alone piece of legislation that could garner bipartisan support.

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Manchin Says Inflation, Omicron Should Give Congress 'Cause to Pause' on Biden Social Bill (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 OP
He is still looking for the excuse bottomofthehill Nov 2021 #1
He is not deserving of his political position.... FarPoint Nov 2021 #3
Fuck him! Idgaf what he thinks about anything. onecaliberal Nov 2021 #2
It sickens me how much I despise this guy. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2021 #4
I Have No Words... GB_RN Nov 2021 #5
Yup - McConnell ups pressure on Manchin, Sinema: They could sink spending plan happy feet Dec 2021 #40
At this point he's moved the goal posts to the next zip code. Initech Nov 2021 #6
Seems like he just gotta get his face on tv. bluestarone Nov 2021 #7
How about that budget busting Defense bill or that enormous tax break for the rich Joe? jalan48 Nov 2021 #8
Tell him social safety net is different from social distance IronLionZion Nov 2021 #9
Manchin this, Manchin that... Chinga tu Manchin! nt Xipe Totec Nov 2021 #10
Need to gain a few extra seats in the Senate in 2022. LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #11
Total H2Oart Dec 2021 #37
more trickery DonCoquixote Nov 2021 #12
Inflation, Omicron Should Give Congress 'Cause to Pass' Biden Social Bill. Gore1FL Nov 2021 #13
Exact same thought I had. Sapient Donkey Nov 2021 #22
Fucking dipshit n/m BradAllison Nov 2021 #14
So sick of this dude. Joinfortmill Nov 2021 #15
Too bad they can't recall senators karin_sj Nov 2021 #16
If he weren't a Democrat, I'd say that he needs to go fuck himself indefinitely Orrex Nov 2021 #17
GOP fawns over him. He is one of them. Take your Maserati into the sunset Joe. n/t Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #18
Next excuse--Santa Clause is Coming! Bayard Nov 2021 #19
Is there anything the Democrats put forth he is actually for? Lunabell Nov 2021 #20
My mother said if you can't say anything good about someone say nothing at all left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #21
Your mother will be pleased to hear that I am happy to say it for you. Orrex Nov 2021 #24
Progressives were correct to demand the bills be linked. Jon King Nov 2021 #23
+1... myohmy2 Nov 2021 #26
Only if you think the infrastructure bill should not have been passed FBaggins Dec 2021 #38
So tired of him GPV Nov 2021 #25
He's being paid off by somebody dhol82 Nov 2021 #27
Who said he's stupid...? regnaD kciN Nov 2021 #29
Then he's just a major prick. dhol82 Nov 2021 #30
He got what he wanted -- the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill... regnaD kciN Nov 2021 #28
snookered... myohmy2 Nov 2021 #31
He's a fucking dark cloud BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #32
Mitch has already paused enough for 20 lifetimes? Brainfodder Nov 2021 #33
If Manchin weren't originally a coal baron, I would've thought he was a colorectal surgeon. Efilroft Sul Nov 2021 #34
Manchin opens his mouth and mcconnell's words come out. Jakes Progress Dec 2021 #35
And goalpost moved yet again padah513 Dec 2021 #36
Tomorrow it will be the weather, the next day it will be another flimsy excuse PortTack Dec 2021 #39
Manchin will use any headline The Wizard Dec 2021 #41
Joe M's become a grandmaster in cranking out "full of shit" statements. oasis Dec 2021 #42

BlueTsunami2018

(3,506 posts)
4. It sickens me how much I despise this guy.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:49 PM
Nov 2021

I shouldn’t have to hate anyone this much. I shouldn’t still have the knot in my stomach that started five years ago. I’m so sick and tired of being sick and tired.

I want to be happy someday.

GB_RN

(2,395 posts)
5. I Have No Words...
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 06:57 PM
Nov 2021

Other than follow the money he's made in campaign donations the last quarter...🤦‍♂️


From Electoral Vote, with a link to a piece from The Guardian inside it:

A recent piece from David Smith, who is the lead Washington correspondent for The Guardian, suggests an explanation for the senators' behavior: It's all about the Benjamins. Specifically, the senators are raking in the bucks for their campaign war chests, a development largely fueled by the generous support of right-wing donors. Through Q3 of this year, Manchin had collected $3.3 million in donations, as compared to $230,000 over the same timeframe last year. Sinema's haul as of Q3 2021 is $2.6 million, which is a far sight better than the $1 million she brought in during the first three quarters of 2020.

happy feet

(872 posts)
40. Yup - McConnell ups pressure on Manchin, Sinema: They could sink spending plan
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:13 PM
Dec 2021

From "The Hill" November 10, 2021

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/580960-mcconnell-ups-pressure-on-manchin-sinema-they-could-kill-biden-spending-plan

"Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) is upping pressure on Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) to scuttle President Biden's social and climate spending bill.

McConnell, during an interview with Kentucky radio station WKYX, argued that Democrats should have "dropped the whole thing," referencing the bill, after last week's elections in Virginia and New Jersey.

"If the Democrats in the Senate, all 50 of them, fall in line, they can pass it. If any one of them isn't there in a 50-50 Senate, it will be defeated," McConnell said.

"The two Senate Democrats who are resisting—Joe Manchin from West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema from Arizona—we'll see how strong they are. They could kill the whole thing, either one of them," McConnell added."

bluestarone

(17,101 posts)
7. Seems like he just gotta get his face on tv.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:02 PM
Nov 2021

I just wish that he would keep his fucking thoughts to HIMSELF until he's talking to his friends (DEMOCRATS in congress) NO he's gotta go play with OUR enemies and play big shot! GOD DAM i'm just tired of his BULLSHIT

IronLionZion

(45,601 posts)
9. Tell him social safety net is different from social distance
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:08 PM
Nov 2021

Child care and paid family leave don't spread COVID as much as unvaccinated conservatives.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
12. more trickery
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:21 PM
Nov 2021

if Trump was back,Joe would have no problem spending this on all defense,any more than he did that trillion-dollar tax break the wealthy/his owners,got

Gore1FL

(21,164 posts)
13. Inflation, Omicron Should Give Congress 'Cause to Pass' Biden Social Bill.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:24 PM
Nov 2021

I can make similar statements, too!

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
22. Exact same thought I had.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:43 PM
Nov 2021

I read what he said and he didn't really make a case for why his statement is more correct than what you said.

I guess that's politics, though. People just saying some quick blurbs, but not even attempting to justify or explain why their assertions should be accepted.

karin_sj

(813 posts)
16. Too bad they can't recall senators
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:29 PM
Nov 2021

And replace them with someone that represents the values of the people who voted them in.

Orrex

(63,247 posts)
17. If he weren't a Democrat, I'd say that he needs to go fuck himself indefinitely
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:35 PM
Nov 2021

Since he's a Democrat, and in accordance with the TOS, I definitely won't say that he needs to go fuck himself indefinitely.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
23. Progressives were correct to demand the bills be linked.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 07:53 PM
Nov 2021

As predicted, he was never going to vote for much of anything in regards to the 2nd bill. Just as the progressive caucus knew when they kept saying they did not trust that the 2nd bill would pass if they gave up their leverage.

myohmy2

(3,194 posts)
26. +1...
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:09 PM
Nov 2021

...we saw that one coming, predicable as usual...

...that football can be tricky...





...no meaningful Social Climate BBB bill, kiss 2022 goodbye...

...and when we take it in the ass in 2022, who do you think they'll blame?

...exhausting...

FBaggins

(26,778 posts)
38. Only if you think the infrastructure bill should not have been passed
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 11:14 AM
Dec 2021

They obviously weren't going to succeed in using it to pressure him to vote for something that he opposed. So their demands were counterproductive (only hurting their position).

As predicted, he was never going to vote for much of anything in regards to the 2nd bill.

A self-fulfilling "prediction" - but they're still the ones causing the problem. They're still trying to pressure him to suppose something that he has constantly said that he won't vote for. If they put together the ~$1.5T package that he said back in July that he would support, there's no evidence that he wouldn't vote for it.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
29. Who said he's stupid...?
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:37 PM
Nov 2021

He wanted the infrastructure bill -- he got it.

He wanted no part of BBB -- he got it.

When you get everything you want and nothing of what you don't want, that's not "stupid." The only people who should be accused of stupidity were those who actually believed his "private assurances" and trusted that, having given his word privately, he wouldn't show the bad faith to back out of it once he got what he wanted.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
28. He got what he wanted -- the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill...
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:34 PM
Nov 2021

He got Nancy Pelosi to pledge that, if the House progressives went along with splitting them, he would approve BBB (note Pelosi's public expressions of "confidence" -- she wouldn't have gone out on a limb like that if she hadn't been given specific assurances). Then, once the things he wanted were signed into law, suddenly "BuT iNfLaTiOn AnD oMiCrOn!!!" give him the grounds he needs to backtrack on his promises.

UPSHOT: He gets everything he wants, House progressives who went along with Pelosi's assurances get bupkis, and pissed-off progressive voters blame Biden and stay home in droves next November. Mission accomplished!


myohmy2

(3,194 posts)
31. snookered...
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:34 PM
Nov 2021

...IIRC, didn't Nancy have pukes waiting in the wing to fill the gap if Progressives had walked?

...I'll admit we needed a win but that win came at a very high price for Progressives...

...tiring...dangle a carrot, pull it away, hold your nose, vote...

...this is what happens when money rules the roost...if you got it, you get your way...if you don't, you won't...

...hope something good comes of it...

...

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
32. He's a fucking dark cloud
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:44 PM
Nov 2021

On a sunny day. Go ahead ManChin - be the one man wrecking crew to destroy America’s recovery. Just watch both ways when you cross the street.

Efilroft Sul

(3,585 posts)
34. If Manchin weren't originally a coal baron, I would've thought he was a colorectal surgeon.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:48 PM
Nov 2021

Because he keeps finding ways to pull shit out of his ass and thwart meaningful progress.

Jakes Progress

(11,123 posts)
35. Manchin opens his mouth and mcconnell's words come out.
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 01:32 AM
Dec 2021

This nasty man has no morals. He is a shill for republican hate.

The Wizard

(12,552 posts)
41. Manchin will use any headline
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 02:02 PM
Dec 2021

to obstruct progress. It's called loose associations and it's covered by Obamacare. Is McConnell paying for Manchin's obstruction?

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