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Omaha Steve

(99,635 posts)
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:45 PM Nov 2021

Ancient juniper trees illegally cut in New Mexico monument

Source: AP

By SUSAN MONTOYA BRYAN

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — Several dozen ancient alligator juniper trees have been illegally cut down at El Malpais National Monument in western New Mexico and authorities with the National Park Service are trying to find out who’s responsible.

Known for their unique furrowed bark, alligator junipers grow very slowly. A seed can take up to 18 months to mature after pollination and the growth rate for young trees is about 0.6 inches (1.5 centimeters) per decade, slowing as they get older.

Officials said the trees that were cut down were likely hundreds of years old.

Lisa Dittman, a spokeswoman for the national monument, said Tuesday that officials don’t know why the trees are being targeted or what they’re being used for. Rural New Mexico residents frequently cut wood in the fall to help with winter heating needs, but cutting trees at El Malpais is illegal.



This undated image provided by the National Park Service shows the illegal harvest of alligator juniper trees at El Malpais National Monument near Grants, New Mexico. Park Service officials are asking the public for help to stop the illegal harvesting of the trees, which are considered rare due to their slow growth rate. (National Park Service via AP)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-travel-environment-and-nature-new-mexico-trees-b0b25091195fc7a657dd2b45542f4d15

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Ancient juniper trees illegally cut in New Mexico monument (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2021 OP
WOW! elleng Nov 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author elleng Nov 2021 #2
Sad--hundreds of years old. Wingus Dingus Nov 2021 #3
Drove thru the Jicarilla on 528 yesterday alittlelark Nov 2021 #4
I wonder if somebody's GPS has bad info Kali Nov 2021 #5
Dammit! I've driven through that area many times. I sure hope they catch abqtommy Nov 2021 #6
There's different kinds of junipers. There was a national monument near where I used to work captain queeg Nov 2021 #7
Almost half my firewood is Juniper - better than most Pine alittlelark Nov 2021 #13
crap. i'm about to order some wood in NM. i could try to specify..... what are the chances.... certainot Dec 2021 #17
My wood is cut by myself and house members. alittlelark Dec 2021 #22
I will order tomorrow! and I will ask just to spike some concern certainot Dec 2021 #25
I hope they catch the sons of bitches Mysterian Nov 2021 #8
think more like a small fine. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #19
As my world-traveled uncle once said: "people are no damn good." Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #9
Mother F-ers! Nictuku Nov 2021 #10
This is what we get for underfunding our national park services, leaving parks exposed to predators. ancianita Nov 2021 #11
Really sad! burrowowl Nov 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #14
I guess the best I can hope for is it was done out of ignorance rather than malice Torchlight Nov 2021 #15
Kick and recommend for visibility. bronxiteforever Nov 2021 #16
They grow half an inch in 10 years Bayard Dec 2021 #18
Amen. No respect. nt Duppers Dec 2021 #21
From the picture here GusBob Dec 2021 #20
We have a problem with people cutting down Joshua trees ripcord Dec 2021 #23
life. i want life, no parole. pansypoo53219 Dec 2021 #24

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
4. Drove thru the Jicarilla on 528 yesterday
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 08:58 PM
Nov 2021

Just so happened to stop for dog relief near a large stand of Alligator Juniper. Beautiful trees. I also noticed that none of the Pinons in the area had produced seed.

Kali

(55,008 posts)
5. I wonder if somebody's GPS has bad info
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:00 PM
Nov 2021

Alligator juniper is legal to harvest elsewhere. Not rare or endangered.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
6. Dammit! I've driven through that area many times. I sure hope they catch
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:04 PM
Nov 2021

whoever did this and lock them up for good!

captain queeg

(10,198 posts)
7. There's different kinds of junipers. There was a national monument near where I used to work
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:06 PM
Nov 2021

With junipers. Those were quite small and I guess some were 1000 years old. I’d heard they don’t make hood firewood, but I’ve never seen it burned or knew someone who had done so.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
13. Almost half my firewood is Juniper - better than most Pine
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:44 PM
Nov 2021

but not great. I use is during the day and save the oak and fruitwood for night.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
22. My wood is cut by myself and house members.
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 08:15 PM
Dec 2021

That is what is available in this area..... I have gotten cords here that were spot on i quality.

I wouldn't worry.

ancianita

(36,057 posts)
11. This is what we get for underfunding our national park services, leaving parks exposed to predators.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:33 PM
Nov 2021

Market values of "take first, apologize later" have strangled old moral values.
Any mindless knuckle dragger with a chainsaw can chop away, knowing they won't be seen or caught.
Will that area now be cordoned off;
Will it get park surveillance;
Will there be cameras installed around old forest park borders; Or...
Will American wild forests be set afire by stochastic terrorists 'til our wild lands collapse in a smoldering heap.

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Torchlight

(3,339 posts)
15. I guess the best I can hope for is it was done out of ignorance rather than malice
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:06 PM
Nov 2021

I think that's most often the case. Or maybe it's just hope on my part.

Bayard

(22,074 posts)
18. They grow half an inch in 10 years
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 12:38 AM
Dec 2021

And no doubt burned up in a matter of minutes. Way, way too many people have absolutely no respect for nature.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
20. From the picture here
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 12:57 AM
Dec 2021

It looks like that spot has been cut before

There are fresh cut stumps on the left and foreground you can still see the sawdust

The stumps in the upper right are old, like 2-3 years old faded cuts, unless they were cut for fire or disease control.

Firewooders this time of year, unless that wood is good for woodcarvers?

Put up trail cams and signs saying there are trail cams. That will catch them or put an end to it

ripcord

(5,402 posts)
23. We have a problem with people cutting down Joshua trees
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 08:54 PM
Dec 2021

There is an ordinance that forbids cutting them down, my new neighbor bulldozed a bunch to put in a house, "someone" reported him and he got a large fine.

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