Manchin to vote to nix Biden's vaccine mandate for larger businesses

[left-of-center2012]

Source: The Hill

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said on Thursday night that he is supporting a GOP effort to nix President Biden’s vaccine mandate for larger businesses, which is expected to get a vote in the Senate next week.

“Let me be clear, I do not support any government vaccine mandate on private businesses. That’s why I have cosponsored and will strongly support a bill to overturn the federal government vaccine mandate for private businesses," Manchin said in a statement.

Because all 50 Republicans are supporting the effort, Manchin's vote gives Senate Republicans enough support to pass a resolution to nix Biden's vaccine mandate for larger employers. The resolution would still need to pass the House and, even then, would likely be vetoed by Biden.

Republican senators introduced the resolution earlier this year under the Congressional Review Act (CRA) to roll back the mandate, with which the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) orders businesses with at least 100 employees to require their workers to get vaccinated or undergo regular testing by Jan. 4.



Read more: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/584166-manchin-to-vote-to-nix-bidens-vaccine-mandate-for-larger-businesses

[LonePirate]

1. Why does this need 50 votes to pass and not 60?

[Walleye]

3. Good question

[mahina]

6. Maybe our guys don't want to waste time showing off

Because, veto power. A guess.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. They are using the Congressional Review Act

CRA, which is a tool that Congress can use to repeal Rules published by government agencies. The Act requires each chamber to draft legislation of disapproval of the Rule (within a fixed timeframe from when the Rule was published) and then vote on that. If that passes Congress, then the President can sign or veto. This whole process is a carve-out from the 60-vote Cloture rule in the Senate.

So basically, this is going nowhere because even if the Senate passes their version with Manchin, the House won't pass theirs, and even by some freak circumstance results in them passing it, then Biden would obviously veto it and they don't have enough to override.

This whole production seems to have been a compromise to move the C.R. before a shutdown because there were threats by the GOP to block it unless they could amend it with this nonsense. Thus a vote for the "standalone" bill to get rid of DOL's vaccine Rule.

As a note, Democrats have been using the CRA to reverse all the bullshit put in place by 45. The below-linked site has a good tracker on the revocation process of Rules implemented by the previous administration -

https://sensiblesafeguards.org/cra-tracker-2021/

[Calista241]

30. This is the best comment i've seen on this board in quite awhile.

Thank you for taking the effort to post something that legit explains the topic at hand.

[BumRushDaShow]

31. You are welcome

Congressional procedures are a nightmare and the Senate even has a publication about their practices - "Riddick's Senate Procedure" (used to be published in print and now online) - https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/GPO-RIDDICK-1992/GPO-RIDDICK-1992-1/context

[Walleye]

2. He knows it will get a veto, but he does it anyway

[PatSeg]

27. Yes, so apparently he is making a statement of some kind

A not so subtle reminder to Democrats and Biden that he could side with republicans whenever it suits him. Sounds like he is just being a dick because he can.

[Lunabell]

4. Yall let me know when manchin supports the Democrat's agenda.

If at all.

[George II]

5. Here:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/joe-manchin/

[Beakybird]

7. Thanks

[Lunabell]

8. Only the whittled down versions of Biden's agenda.

He's hardly supporting the Democrat's when it counts.

[George II]

9. When has he cast a vote against Biden's agenda?

[Lunabell]

11. He couldn't because his threats torpedoed a lot!

So, he never had to vote against anything because he got a lot thrown out before it came up for a vote. His voice apparently outweighs most Democrats.

[neverforget]

12. Looks like this will be a vote against the Biden agenda and a vote for Covid.

[Lunabell]

13. And gosh, look at this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/10/republican-billionaire-ken-langone-says-he-will-hold-fundraiser-for-joe-manchin.html

Republicans really like Manchin A LOT!

[ZonkerHarris]

20. When he says "I will not vote for this thing Democrats want" that means a vote is not taken.

He is a vote killer and an agenda killer
Don't fool yourself.
It's about the votes that can't happen because of his public statements and positions, not the votes he's made.

[Celerity]

35. Yes, it is blatant sophistry to try and raise up a couple meaningless (impact wise) protest votes

on final passage (that blocked nothing) to a higher impact and/or meaningful level than the actual blocking (Manchin forcing Biden to withdraw Neera Tanden's nomination for OMB head for instance), ripping apart apart and massive gutting that Manchin and Sinema have done to Biden's agenda pre final vote.

[Polybius]

21. That's not how it works

He blocks the good stuff so he doesn't have to vote against anything, hence the 100% fake "voting with Biden" record.

[Celerity]

36. +1

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Still clinging to that meaningless statistic I see

How will you cope when he’s no longer at 100%?

[George II]

24. Yep, still "clinging" to how he has voted. Have you a better indication of how members of Congress..

...have voted?

TIA

[Nixie]

33. Exactly. Didn't the squad vote with Republicans?*

That’s certainly not a good look to cling to, but it seems to be okay for some.

edit: their No vote on Biden’s infrastructure bill.

[regnaD kciN]

14. "BuT mAnChIn'S a DeMoCrAt!!!"

[Joinfortmill]

10. Hmmnn. Not allowed to say much.

[JohnSJ]

15. If a company does not supply a safe working environment for its employees, could they be sued?

[Lunabell]

16. Manchin is so pro life he's going to prove it by making sure you get covid.

Smh. When's he going to support the Democrats for a change?

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. Well, there goes his 100% pro-Biden loyalty record...

Not that his fan club will care…

[TomDaisy]

19. I self-delete my own comment

[bucolic_frolic]

23. So dead workers and sick workers are better than vaccinated workers

I've been patient with Sen. Manchin. He's playing us.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

25. Manchin ≠ democracy

He's only in favor of "big government" when it benefits his Republican donors. As for the rest of us ... Who needs child care, or universal pre-K, anyway? Or clean energy? Or increasing Medicaid to cover more Americans?

Anyone want to bet he runs as a Republican in 2024? Or switches his party in in 2022 if the Rs win the Senate?

[gab13by13]

26. This is just for show,

the employer mandate is in the courts which gives me no comfort. Doctors or some intelligent organization should push for boycotts of companies who defy the vaccine mandate. I personally would avoid such companies if possible.

[LymphocyteLover]

28. what an ass. JFC.

[CrispyQ]

29. I'm so fucking sick of this shithole.

Does he want this pandemic to go on & on & on?

[Fla Dem]

32. Most "responsible" large companies will enforce a vaccine requirement of their own.

Companies don't want active employees to get sick and be absent from work and/or spreading the virus to other employees.

Companies that provide health insurance, don't want their part of the premium to go up because of an increase number of their employees needing medical care due to covid.

Companies that deal with the public on a daily basis don't want to be accused of spreading the virus to their customers, or their customers to stop doing business with them.

There is a economic incentive to require employees to either be vaccinated or constantly tested.

[Rhiannon12866]

37. Well said. That's the only action that makes sense for both companies, employees and customers.

[Hugin]

34. It will be played as "bipartisan" in 3.. 2.. n/t