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demmiblue

(36,864 posts)
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:33 AM Dec 2021

'Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6

Source: Politico

In a 36-page memo to the Capitol riot committee, Col. Earl Matthews also slams the Pentagon's inspector general for what he calls an error-ridden report.

A former D.C. National Guard official is accusing two senior Army leaders of lying to Congress and participating in a secret attempt to rewrite the history of the military's response to the Capitol riot.

In a 36-page memo, Col. Earl Matthews, who held high-level National Security Council and Pentagon roles during the Trump administration, slams the Pentagon's inspector general for what he calls an error-riddled report that protects a top Army official who argued against sending the National Guard to the Capitol on Jan. 6, delaying the insurrection response for hours.

Matthews' memo, sent to the Jan. 6 select committee this month and obtained by POLITICO, includes detailed recollections of the insurrection response as it calls two Army generals — Gen. Charles Flynn, who served as deputy chief of staff for operations on Jan. 6, and Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt, the director of Army staff — “absolute and unmitigated liars” for their characterization of the events of that day. Matthews has never publicly discussed the chaos of the Capitol siege.

On Jan. 6, Matthews was serving as the top attorney to Maj. Gen. William Walker, then commanding general of the D.C. National Guard. Matthews’ memo defends the Capitol attack response by Walker, who now serves as the House sergeant at arms, amplifying Walker's previous congressional testimony about the hourslong delay in the military’s order for the D.C. National Guard to deploy to the riot scene.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777

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'Absolute liars': Ex-D.C. Guard official says generals lied to Congress about Jan. 6 (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2021 OP
Call them out. Loud and clear. empedocles Dec 2021 #1
Demand their resignations. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #5
Resignation denied. Court martial. Leavenworth. Marcuse Dec 2021 #15
relieved of command pending investigation ! monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #50
Nothing less will do. Nothing! dchill Dec 2021 #53
The heck with firing them. Charge them with treason which is what they did. Ford_Prefect Dec 2021 #17
this a thousand times over Claire Oh Nette Dec 2021 #66
This is what our Country needs. Bluethroughu Dec 2021 #75
I saw that story. It was pretty interesting. Tomconroy Dec 2021 #2
I see the story as extremely dangerous, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #8
Yes absolutely. benfranklin1776 Dec 2021 #24
Why is this only obvious to us? cilla4progress Dec 2021 #47
It shouldn't be just us, but you're right, as of now only concerned individuals.. benfranklin1776 Dec 2021 #61
How do we mobilize cilla4progress Dec 2021 #62
As our forebears did by joining together with likeminded people who are rightfully alarmed benfranklin1776 Dec 2021 #65
I'm afraid it's part of Putin's larger plan. Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #58
Why destroy the Army leadership, just provide bride money to our GOP Congress critters. Dan Dec 2021 #70
Is there data - call logs, texts, emails - or did they fudge those too? bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #3
There's a 36 page memo sent to the select committee, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #13
Flynn? Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #4
He was part of the coup malaise Dec 2021 #7
Yes, you get it. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #9
Maybe here ? eppur_se_muova Dec 2021 #12
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #16
I remember that favorite phrase from the old folks. empedocles Dec 2021 #26
74 isn't old gab13by13 Dec 2021 #30
Apologies. You're right empedocles Dec 2021 #56
I suspect you know where you heard that name before KS Toronado Dec 2021 #36
Indeed I do Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #39
Only Flynn I respect is Errol Flynn KS Toronado Dec 2021 #54
Good friend worked under Mike Flynn (horse's patootie) at DIA. Echoes your sentiments. erronis Dec 2021 #72
Given the choice . . . AverageOldGuy Dec 2021 #6
So, you are saying that the higher the job classification gab13by13 Dec 2021 #10
I think you interpreted that backwards. eppur_se_muova Dec 2021 #14
It all depends what OldGuy was talking about gab13by13 Dec 2021 #18
OldGuy says he is going with the Colonel. rgbecker Dec 2021 #28
trump is not military trained, the person who becomes president inherits by default the Escurumbele Dec 2021 #23
Missing the point...fascist Trumpers lying to cover their asses, one brother of fascist QFlynn. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #11
Smedly Butler 3auld6phart Dec 2021 #19
Wow. This says it all: Baitball Blogger Dec 2021 #20
tRump fired DefSec Espers Nov 9 2020 when became clear violence was only way to overturn election Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #38
"...a jarring break from the norm." dchill Dec 2021 #55
"Charles Flynn, a three-star general who has already been approved by Congress for a fourth star." Escurumbele Dec 2021 #21
Jack Reed is chair of the armed services committee, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #31
Who was the guy Trump appointed to the Pentagon right before the insurrection? Frustratedlady Dec 2021 #68
It always amazes me how easily people are corrupted to do the bidding of a psychopath Farmer-Rick Dec 2021 #22
They are psychopaths themselves waiting for the opportunity to come out of the fascist closet Escurumbele Dec 2021 #27
This should be a lead story in the MSM gab13by13 Dec 2021 #25
KnR Hekate Dec 2021 #29
Kickin' Faux pas Dec 2021 #32
I wonder if it was a case of the brass hedging their bets so if the insurrection succeeded they cstanleytech Dec 2021 #33
The IG also needs called before the select committee. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #34
Good call. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #37
I wonder if it will be easier for the select committee gab13by13 Dec 2021 #40
THIS deserves a MILLION kicks!! bluestarone Dec 2021 #35
And another kick! calimary Dec 2021 #45
Enraged and sickened KNR. niyad Dec 2021 #41
I think the Flynn brothers are traitors. BlueJac Dec 2021 #42
no surprise here llashram Dec 2021 #43
hmmm, why did the IG ignore this guy's concerns? Did they interview him? Thomas Hurt Dec 2021 #44
June 04, 2021, Pentagon transferred Gen. Charles Flynn to head U.S. Army Pacific. NCjack Dec 2021 #46
So much breaking... cilla4progress Dec 2021 #48
they should be removed from service Javaman Dec 2021 #49
The Commander-in_Chief should be proactive to put these two in the brig... RicROC Dec 2021 #51
This should be the top headline for a while! dchill Dec 2021 #52
Holy moly. I just read this on twitter. Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #57
Okay bring them back in....in fact bring them before the Jan 6th committee..... turbinetree Dec 2021 #59
Charles Flynn, another Putin patsy like his brother Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 #60
Lying Republicans and Nazis. What a shock. johnthewoodworker Dec 2021 #63
Gen Flynn was promoted to command of US Army Pacific back in June Kaleva Dec 2021 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Dec 2021 #67
It Sure Is DallasNE Dec 2021 #76
This after watching 60 Minutes feature on Reality Winner, I feel nauseous. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2021 #69
Just gotta KICK this again bluestarone Dec 2021 #71
All I can say is... jmowreader Dec 2021 #73
Charles Flynn needs to be on Latrine Duty Captain Zero Dec 2021 #74

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
5. Demand their resignations.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:49 AM
Dec 2021

We have generals who are a part of the coup on our democracy. They need to go.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
17. The heck with firing them. Charge them with treason which is what they did.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:06 AM
Dec 2021

Arrest them and hold them in the brig. They were serving officers with specific duties. They violated their oaths and the constitution along with the UCMJ.

They clearly understood their responsibilities and obligations and chose to enable the coup. They did this while in uniform and serving in their command capacity. They deserve the full weight of military justice to fall upon them.

Bluethroughu

(5,172 posts)
75. This is what our Country needs.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 06:35 PM
Dec 2021

The lawless Treason of all, no matter who or what capacity they serve in our Government need to held responsible for the failed coup.

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
8. I see the story as extremely dangerous,
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:51 AM
Dec 2021

allowing generals to stay in the military who appear to be a part of an ongoing insurrection against our democracy. Our CIC needs to demand their resignations. They lied to Congress, a felony.

benfranklin1776

(6,448 posts)
24. Yes absolutely.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:25 AM
Dec 2021

And it seems clear now Charles Flynn was attempting to fulfill his felonious sibling’s openly expressed plan of having the military stage a coup 🤬

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
47. Why is this only obvious to us?
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:35 PM
Dec 2021

I mean - these people are the gang that couldn't shoot straight - yet they are getting away with it in the good ol' USA!

benfranklin1776

(6,448 posts)
61. It shouldn't be just us, but you're right, as of now only concerned individuals..
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 02:01 PM
Dec 2021

…newspapers, political and legal commentators and former federal prosecutors like the esteemed Glenn Kirschner are demanding legal accountability for this avalanche of crimes against democracy. I understand President Biden wants to depoliticize DOJ, but others need to step up in Congress and elsewhere and demand a special prosecutor be appointed with full powers to vigorously investigate and seek indictments of all of these individuals. The survival of our democracy depends on nothing less than the full commitment of every legal resource at our disposal. The threat these traitors pose to our democracy and country is every bit as existential as the Confederacy, the Axis Powers and terrorism. Our country saved itself from those threats only through a massive effort, and the present situation demands an equal response. The oath those who serve in government take is to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. It’s no accident the last category is there as past history and recent events have established both types of
enemies are equally lethal to the Constitution, and, ultimately, to We The People.

benfranklin1776

(6,448 posts)
65. As our forebears did by joining together with likeminded people who are rightfully alarmed
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 02:22 PM
Dec 2021

and mounting a sustained campaign, (thinking here of committees of correspondence in the pre revolutionary era and successful organized labor and civil rights mobilization in the 20th century) which includes constant contact with elected officials both via traditional means letters, emails, social media etc, but also in person entreaties at town halls and other public events where we demand this type of action and a commitment from them to secure it. And a sustained media effort in the form of letters to the editor, Op Ed pieces, sustained contact with local and national media figures, social media, the full panoply of tools the First amendment gives us. But the key is concerted action by working with the many people who are as alarmed as we are. And collectively there must be CONSTANT pressure, as it’s too easy for this vital issue to get swept away by the events of the day which is what the seditionists would prefer and are counting on.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
58. I'm afraid it's part of Putin's larger plan.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 01:47 PM
Dec 2021

Destroy the Army leadership from within.

Tell me I'm nuts. It would be easier to take.

Dan

(3,568 posts)
70. Why destroy the Army leadership, just provide bride money to our GOP Congress critters.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 03:48 PM
Dec 2021

They have shown they are for sell.

bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
3. Is there data - call logs, texts, emails - or did they fudge those too?
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:39 AM
Dec 2021

Obfuscation is the greatest denial.

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
9. Yes, you get it.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:53 AM
Dec 2021

Those 2 generals need to go. We don't have to wait, there is evidence they lied to Congress.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
39. Indeed I do
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 11:56 AM
Dec 2021

Something about that name. I worked with a couple of guys through the years with the last name of Flynn (they were brothers) and both where horse's behinds.

AverageOldGuy

(1,529 posts)
6. Given the choice . . .
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:49 AM
Dec 2021

. . . between two active duty lieutenant generals with three stars each, and a DC National Guard colonel -- I'm going with the colonel (because I am a retired XXXXX and I know the difference).

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
10. So, you are saying that the higher the job classification
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:56 AM
Dec 2021

the more likely the person is truthful. With that theory then president Trump should have been believed above everyone else. Using your logic, the 2020 election was stolen because Trump said so. If I am reading you wrong I apologize.

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
18. It all depends what OldGuy was talking about
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:07 AM
Dec 2021

If he was talking about CYA then I apologize to him. His post wasn't that clear.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
23. trump is not military trained, the person who becomes president inherits by default the
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:23 AM
Dec 2021

commander-in-chief title, but that doesn't mean they know anything about how the military functions. Anyway, when has trump not covered his butt? He blames everyone for his crimes.

Baitball Blogger

(46,731 posts)
20. Wow. This says it all:
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:16 AM
Dec 2021

"It adds that the previous summer, when civil unrest unfolded in the wake of the police murder of George Floyd, the D.C. Guard was deployed numerous times to protect federal buildings. Its belated mobilization on Jan. 6, Matthews continues, was a jarring break from the norm. "

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
38. tRump fired DefSec Espers Nov 9 2020 when became clear violence was only way to overturn election
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 11:38 AM
Dec 2021

Espers had defied tRump and refused to order military to patrol streets against "Antifa and BLM" in summer 2020.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
21. "Charles Flynn, a three-star general who has already been approved by Congress for a fourth star."
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:20 AM
Dec 2021

Congress needs to reevaluate that approval...Charles Flynn...what a coincidence, right?

This is very dangerous because when the military joins a totalitarian party, you know that a totalitarian regime will be imposed with the aid of the military. The military by nature are totalitarian, dictators-wanna-be are good are recruiting and corrupting those in the military they know are corruptible, there are more than we know or want to accept.

This is very dangerous if Flynn and the other guy are not investigated and thrown out of the military, what they did is treason.

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
31. Jack Reed is chair of the armed services committee,
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:50 AM
Dec 2021

his GQP counterpart is nutzo Jim Inhofe. Please don't tell me the Senate confirmed Flynn unanimously.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
68. Who was the guy Trump appointed to the Pentagon right before the insurrection?
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 03:19 PM
Dec 2021

I remember at the time wondering why he would do so at the end of his term, then Jan. 6 happened.

Farmer-Rick

(10,183 posts)
22. It always amazes me how easily people are corrupted to do the bidding of a psychopath
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:21 AM
Dec 2021

They are so willing to destroy our democracy because a really fat, stinky, cruel, cowardly, ugly, man has conned his way into politics.

I just don't get the appeal of that disgusting psychopath. And to destroy and betray your country for him. I just don't get it

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
27. They are psychopaths themselves waiting for the opportunity to come out of the fascist closet
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:26 AM
Dec 2021

The Flynn brothers must be psychopaths since childhood, upbringing is what shapes kids into good or bad adults, of course there are exceptions, but few.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
33. I wonder if it was a case of the brass hedging their bets so if the insurrection succeeded they
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 11:01 AM
Dec 2021

would hopefully keep their jobs?

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
40. I wonder if it will be easier for the select committee
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:00 PM
Dec 2021

to subpoena members of the military? Are they obligated to honor the subpoenas? Can Flynn's boss, bosses, order him to appear?

If it is proven that Flynn lied to Congress will the military go after Flynn? No stalling around in the courts that way.

bluestarone

(16,972 posts)
35. THIS deserves a MILLION kicks!!
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 11:05 AM
Dec 2021

Get these two out NOW!! When did congress approve this ASSHOLES 4th star?

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
42. I think the Flynn brothers are traitors.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:12 PM
Dec 2021

We must act now before we completely lose our country. Time to act bold and not take this shit anymore! Root these assholes out now!

llashram

(6,265 posts)
43. no surprise here
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:16 PM
Dec 2021

the revelation is damning and brings into view the incompetence of Flynn and Piatt. Not to mention their loyalty to the current American system of governing. And this fact is true that the military was disrespected and derided by the former POTUS every chance he had. Remember Normandy? He didn't want to be out in the rain. So it seems clear to me where the "liars" loyalty lay on Jan 6 21.

And it's clear they got promotions also. Incompetence rewarded. Saw it during my time in the service. Now they can possibly continue to spread treasonous lies even further up the COC.

TFG sure must have had a way to frighten those cowardly cretins in his administration and the supposedly neutral military. 1/6/21 has shown me how many fascists are in governing positions both nationally and locally and the danger of such.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
44. hmmm, why did the IG ignore this guy's concerns? Did they interview him?
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:16 PM
Dec 2021

36 pages of, one would hope, substantive info and none of it ended up in the IG report? The IG needs to answer some questions I think.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
46. June 04, 2021, Pentagon transferred Gen. Charles Flynn to head U.S. Army Pacific.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:35 PM
Dec 2021

They got his butt out of WDC (the scene of the insurrection).

cilla4progress

(24,736 posts)
48. So much breaking...
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:39 PM
Dec 2021

Atlantic article I posted elsewhere here - as have others.

CNN's special on white supremacy / Chartlottesville last night.

Ayman Mohyeldin podcast American Radical about Rosanne Boyland who died at the capitol on 1/6.

Let's hope some of this stuff starts opening eyes. ...

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
49. they should be removed from service
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 12:41 PM
Dec 2021

without pensions and no benefits.

what they did was a clear dereliction of duty.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
51. The Commander-in_Chief should be proactive to put these two in the brig...
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 01:06 PM
Dec 2021

or at least, relieve them of their commands. And then, let JAG determine if those charges are justified.

In this case, the DOJ should not be the first to determine the culpability of their treason

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
57. Holy moly. I just read this on twitter.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 01:45 PM
Dec 2021

Lots to absorb there!

Is there someone we trust to tell us the truth about this matter?

My first fear is that it's a Putin plot to throw the Army into disarray.

Set that aside, and it's still a real mess.

Michael Flynn should be re-called to active duty, and court martialed in order to get at the truth.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
59. Okay bring them back in....in fact bring them before the Jan 6th committee.....
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 01:55 PM
Dec 2021

phone records should tell everyone what was happening in real time, bring in there cell phones....and yes I am re-determining guilt on Flynn....blood is thicker than loyalty to the country....

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
64. Gen Flynn was promoted to command of US Army Pacific back in June
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 02:22 PM
Dec 2021

it's going to be highly unlikely that he will be arrested, discharged or releaved of command.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
76. It Sure Is
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 10:17 PM
Dec 2021

Hopefully he is only a year or so away from normal retirement age. But it is the kind of integrity that we must have. Those two generals and the IG are as corrupt as they come and that is the legacy of Trump. Everything has corrupt intentions. Everything.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
69. This after watching 60 Minutes feature on Reality Winner, I feel nauseous.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 03:45 PM
Dec 2021

And they are connected. Winner did what she could to protect us from Russian election interference, but was labeled acting like a terrorist.

Our home is decked out for Christmas in order for us to "be" merry knowing America is now rotten to the core.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
73. All I can say is...
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 05:42 PM
Dec 2021

Trump is damn glad I wasn’t in charge of the DC National Guard on that day…because I would have deployed troops.

Captain Zero

(6,806 posts)
74. Charles Flynn needs to be on Latrine Duty
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 06:05 PM
Dec 2021

Instead he was sent far into the Pacific region to command something. He needs to be Court Martialed really.

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