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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,547 posts)
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 05:41 PM Dec 2021

Some Texas religious leaders live in lavish, tax-free estates thanks to obscure law

Source: Houston Chronicle

INVESTIGATIONS // UNFAIR BURDEN

Some Texas religious leaders live in lavish, tax-free estates thanks to obscure law

ERIC DEXHEIMER, JAY ROOT, STEPHANIE LAMM * Dec. 9, 2021 * Updated: Dec. 9, 2021 12:26 p.m.

This fall, county officials mailed out property tax bills to the owners of a 10-bedroom, 10.5-bath Houston-area mansion, an 8,000-square-foot residence in a historic San Antonio neighborhood, an elegant Highland Park estate in Dallas and a house on more than an acre overlooking Corpus Christi Bay. The homes are worth millions of dollars. In each case, their 2021 tax bill was identical:

Zero.

Most people know that religious organizations pay no property taxes on their houses of worship. Lesser known is that many also get a valuable break on residences for their clergy as well.

The word “parsonage,” as these residences are called, conjures images of humble, spartan rooms attached to drafty churches. A few still are.

Yet in many places across Texas, parsonages are extravagant estates nestled in the state’s most exclusive enclaves. Like their wealthy neighbors, the clergy occupants enjoy spacious and well-appointed homes, immaculate grounds, tennis courts, swimming pools, decorative fountains and serene grottos.

Unlike their neighbors, the parsonage owners pay nothing in taxes, leaving other Texans to backfill the uncollected revenue to cover the cost of schools, police and firefighters.

State law allows religious organizations to claim tax-free clergy residences of up to 1 acre. Yet each of the state’s counties has its own appraiser responsible for overseeing local properties. So no one entity has examined how many parsonages there are in Texas, their value and their legality.

A first-of-its-kind Houston Chronicle investigation analyzing thousands of pages of property records found:

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Read more: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/unfair-burden/article/parsonages-religion-texas-tax-free-clergy-homes-16678079.php



What even *is* religion? Is Karate a religion? How about BMX? Texas tax appraisers say yes.

“If you come and tell me that you have some religion, and basically all you do is color all day and that's your religion, I can't judge and say it's not religion"


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Some Texas religious leaders live in lavish, tax-free estates thanks to obscure law (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 OP
Article is totally paywalled... LeftInTX Dec 2021 #1
Tell me about it. I had to work to get to it. You can do it if you're fast enough. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 #2
When I google "pastor owns 8,000 square ft in San Antonio historic district" this what came up LeftInTX Dec 2021 #3
OK...I found out the 8,000 sq foot residence belongs to the Oblates LeftInTX Dec 2021 #5
Hagee's in The Dominion hamsterjill Dec 2021 #10
All the more reason . . . AverageOldGuy Dec 2021 #4
God will provide, but the flock/suckers will provide even more. keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #6
Kick dalton99a Dec 2021 #7
That's why Joel Osteen lives in Houston. sarcasmo Dec 2021 #8
Joel Osteen's humble abode TexasBushwhacker Dec 2021 #9
Suffering servant there... Comfortably_Numb Dec 2021 #11
Oh, ffs. murielm99 Dec 2021 #12
17K sf, with 2 children TexasBushwhacker Dec 2021 #15
Sure but the residence itself might be under one acre! NullTuples Dec 2021 #13
Corruption rockfordfile Dec 2021 #14
My parents were invited to move into the parsonage where my father was preaching once. TexasTowelie Dec 2021 #16
More from the article: mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 #17

LeftInTX

(25,464 posts)
3. When I google "pastor owns 8,000 square ft in San Antonio historic district" this what came up
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 05:55 PM
Dec 2021



https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/12/07/homeowners-american-dream-turned-historic-home-headache/

I'm hoping the San Antonio Express-News prints the story (Houston Chronicle and Express-News often share stories)

Anyway, wondering if the 8,000 square foot home is Hagee's...LOL

LeftInTX

(25,464 posts)
5. OK...I found out the 8,000 sq foot residence belongs to the Oblates
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:07 PM
Dec 2021

It's not on Kings Highway though.

They are open to the public and a bunch of them live there, not just one. They have created a park-like atmosphere. One part is a replica of the Lourdes Grotto, the other part is full of palms and tropical plants that the brothers have tended to over the years. It's really a cool place and sort of a tourist stop.

https://www.grottosa.org/

AverageOldGuy

(1,536 posts)
4. All the more reason . . .
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:03 PM
Dec 2021

. . . to remove the tax exempt status from churches and everything associated with them

keithbvadu2

(36,853 posts)
6. God will provide, but the flock/suckers will provide even more.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:08 PM
Dec 2021

God will provide, but the flock/suckers will provide even more.

dalton99a

(81,543 posts)
7. Kick
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:10 PM
Dec 2021
• The state’s most populous counties identified 2,683 parsonages worth about $1 billion, costing other residents who must fund school districts and local governments $16 million every year. The true cost is almost certainly higher because several large counties did not or could not respond, and even those that did conceded they did not regularly update values for the tax-exempt properties.

There is no dollar limit to a parsonage’s tax exemption. At least 28 of the clergy residences were worth more than $1 million.

• Compared to some other states, Texas’ parsonage law is vague and permissive, allowing appraisers little leverage to question the legitimacy of a religion or clergy member. A lack of enforcement authority means the process effectively operates on the honor system.

• Across Texas’ largest counties, the Chronicle identified more than 30 parsonages for which appraisers had granted the 100 percent tax break even though they exceed the law’s 1-acre limit. Presented with the Chronicle’s findings, 13 appraisal districts said they were initiating reviews of parsonages in their jurisdictions.

murielm99

(30,753 posts)
12. Oh, ffs.
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 02:41 AM
Dec 2021

If I was rich, I would not want to live like that.

My husband and I are in our seventies. We bought our house, 3 bedrooms and three baths, with an acre of land, when we were raising children. It is too big for us now. However, it is more affordable for us to stay here than to move. Sometimes I feel guilty about staying in such a big place. Other times, I feel exhausted by the upkeep. I can't imagine living in a home like Osteen's. It is obscene.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,208 posts)
15. 17K sf, with 2 children
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 12:01 PM
Dec 2021

2 acres on some of the most expensive real estate in Houston. Current appraised value is over $11M, and that's a LOT of house in Houston. You can get a very nice house in a very nice part of town for under $2M, easily. Hell, you can get a nice house for under $300K.

TexasTowelie

(112,321 posts)
16. My parents were invited to move into the parsonage where my father was preaching once.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 01:45 AM
Dec 2021

However, he declined the invitation since I was finishing up high school and the new high school where I would have transferred had a poor reputation. Since my father declined to move in, he did ask the church whether my sister and her husband could move in since they were recently married and looking for a place to live. The church and the parsonage were located about five miles out of town on a rural farm road. My sister and her husband did pay rent (they probably got a discount) which helped the church budget and they were also present so it prevented problems with people trespassing and vandalizing both buildings.

Seeing how lavish some of these homes that qualify as parsonages is discouraging since that money should remain in the ministry to be redistributed to the poor.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,547 posts)
17. More from the article:
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:54 AM
Dec 2021
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High-profile pastor I.V. Hilliard lives in a 24,900-square-foot home on this 11.8-acre property in Spring. The property has several smaller buildings that are used as a conference and retreat center. The 11.8-acre lot includes three hot tubs, two fountains and a swimming pool and tennis court, property records show.

Jon Shapley, Houston Chronicle / Staff photographer

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This $1.3 million property until recently was owned by Strong Tower Ministries, also known as Proverbs 18:10 Ministries. The nonprofit operates a religious addiction treatment center. The facility was not licensed under the Texas Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse because its programs are “non-medical” and “exclusively religious in nature.”

Mark Mulligan, Houston Chronicle / Staff photographer

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