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riversedge

(70,311 posts)
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 02:24 AM Dec 2021

Trump Lawyer Wrote Memo Arguing Pence Should 'Stop the Count' of Biden Electors

Source: rollingstone.com




December 10, 2021 5:37PM ET


Jenna Ellis’ far-fetched legal argument dated the day before the Jan. 6 riot was delivered to Jay Sekulow, one of then-President Trump’s outside attorneys
By William Vaillancourt




Saul Loeb/Pool/AP

Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis wrote a memo dated the day before the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol arguing that then-Vice President Mike Pence should refuse to count presidential electors from states won by Joe Biden.
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Read more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jenna-ellis-memos-pence-stop-count-biden-electors-1270336/







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Vice President Mike Pence officiates as a joint session of the House and Senate convenes to confirm the Electoral College votes cast in November's election, at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021. (Saul Loeb/Pool via AP)



@kyledcheney

NEW: Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis authored two memos in the week before Jan. 6 arguing that Pence could prevent Biden's victory.

Read them here. Story and details w/ @woodruffbets



Trump campaign lawyer authored two memos claiming Pence could halt Biden’s victory

In one previously unreported memo, Jenna Ellis delivered a technical — and far-fetched — legal argument to another of the former president's outside lawyers.


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/10/trump-lawyer-pence-biden-524088


By BETSY WOODRUFF SWAN and KYLE CHENEY



Updated: 12/10/2021 01:00 PM EST

A Donald Trump campaign lawyer wrote two legal memos in the week before the Jan. 6 Capitol attack that claimed then-Vice President Mike Pence had the authority to refuse to count presidential electors from states that delivered Joe Biden the White House.

The memos from then-Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis, which contain widely disputed legal theories about Pence’s ability to stop a Biden presidency, underscore Ellis’ promotion of extreme arguments that she promulgated amid Trump's effort to reverse the election results. Her actions have remained largely below the radar as House investigators probe Trump’s inner circle.

A Dec. 31 Ellis memo delivered to Trump’s office suggested that Pence — who was constitutionally responsible for presiding over Congress’ counting of electoral votes on Jan. 6 — should simply refuse to open envelopes from states whose election results Trump considered to be fraudulent. That memo was described by ABC reporter Jonathan Karl in his recent book “Betrayal.” POLITICO is publishing it in full for the first time.

In a second, previously unreported memo dated Jan. 5, Ellis made a more technical legal argument that she delivered to Jay Sekulow, one of Trump's outside lawyers. Sekulow represented Trump during his first impeachment and in a series of legal battles during his administration, but he had minimal involvement in Trump’s election litigation. The exception was an early November Supreme Court case regarding Pennsylvania’s mail-in ballots..............................


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One of the memos was first revealed by @jonkarl
in his recent book, Betrayal. We're publishing in full here.

The second, to Trump outside counsel Jay Sekulow on Jan. 5, is previously unreported.

Both track with public statements Ellis made at the time.


https://politico.com/f/?id=0000017d




Ellis says "at no time" did she call for overturning the election.

"As part of my role as a campaign lawyer and counsel for President Trump, I explored legal options that might be available within the context of the U.S. Constitution and statutory law.”



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Trump Lawyer Wrote Memo Arguing Pence Should 'Stop the Count' of Biden Electors (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2021 OP
Frankly imo Ellis should be facing an ethics hearing at the very least for even suggesting this. cstanleytech Dec 2021 #1
Disbarment wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility jmowreader Dec 2021 #2
Well I did say at the least she should face an ethics hearing and that means that yes cstanleytech Dec 2021 #3
Popehat: These are "legal memos" in roughly the same sense that Sunny Delight is "Fruit Juice." mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 #4
Oh, that's a great analogy. tanyev Dec 2021 #7
True. Put "legal memo" at the top of page, presto, you have it governor! Brilliant. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2021 #22
She just moved up in line gab13by13 Dec 2021 #5
I have 2 questions; gab13by13 Dec 2021 #6
It all seems to depend on a fantasy that Trump hadn't lost every legal challenge he'd tried muriel_volestrangler Dec 2021 #8
You are missing 1 huge point, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #9
It was a strength written into the ECV system bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #10
Sounds like the hideous mating of a shyster and a weasel. The Unmitigated Gall Dec 2021 #11
why do these people llashram Dec 2021 #12
sekulow's phone no was listed with hannity, levin (radio shows) by guy with napalm, guns jan 6 certainot Dec 2021 #13
Peaceful transfer of power Bayard Dec 2021 #14
She is evil. She quit the GOP last July, saying it didn't "support trump enough." C Moon Dec 2021 #15
When are these evil motherfuckers going to start PAYING for all this? Paladin Dec 2021 #16
Pence wanted to. He even consulted with Dan Quayle. keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Dec 2021 #18
still say the republican taliban should be disbanded & destroyed forever !!! monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #19
Our GOP Taliban are like the Afghan Taliban. keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #20
None of these lawyers worked for the U.S. government FakeNoose Dec 2021 #21

cstanleytech

(26,322 posts)
3. Well I did say at the least she should face an ethics hearing and that means that yes
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 06:40 AM
Dec 2021

disbarment would still be on the table as a possible result.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,621 posts)
4. Popehat: These are "legal memos" in roughly the same sense that Sunny Delight is "Fruit Juice."
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 07:50 AM
Dec 2021
These are “legal memos” in roughly the same sense that Sunny Delight is “Fruit Juice.”


 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
22. True. Put "legal memo" at the top of page, presto, you have it governor! Brilliant.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:24 AM
Dec 2021

Fake legal memo for a fake man, it’s always fake with these guys now, all they got.

Pathetic.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
6. I have 2 questions;
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:35 AM
Dec 2021

1. Is one of her documents the 36 page power point memo that Meadows turned over to the select committee or was that another coup blueprint? How many people were there writing up plans to carry out a coup? The 36 page PowerPoint memo was supposedly to be shown to several members of Congress pre 1/6.

2. Should Merrick Garland have the FBI interview Jenna Ellis, or is she just another person for the select committee to subpoena? When is it time for the FBI to get involved? That poor election worker in Georgia has been threatened for a year now and all that the FBI has done is tell her to move out of her house.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,368 posts)
8. It all seems to depend on a fantasy that Trump hadn't lost every legal challenge he'd tried
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 09:54 AM
Dec 2021

As far as the law went, there were no states in dispute by then. Trump and the Kraken lost, time after time. There were no alternate electors with any standing - not even wingnut Republicans had dared to defy their state courts', or the federal courts', findings that the election was OK.

She was effectively saying that since 6 states had men with pencils rammed up their noses shouting "Fnah! Fnah! I'm an Electoral College member! Wibble!", then the US should ignore the actual electors from those states.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
9. You are missing 1 huge point,
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:14 AM
Dec 2021

The Kraken lawyers, even though their law suits were frivolous, to say the least, they went through the proper channels, the courts.

These blueprints for a coup we are seeing were clandestine illegal suggestions how people could overturn the results of a valid election.

Huge difference in the Kraken law suits and the coup blueprints. IMO the FBI should be talking with Ellis and Clark and Eastman and other lawyers.

bucolic_frolic

(43,311 posts)
10. It was a strength written into the ECV system
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 10:45 AM
Dec 2021

that results were tabulated in the states, certified in the states, sent to the Capitol and finalized in a grand ritual and ceremony worthy of the Republic. While there's room for shenanigans along route there's also immense anticipation and social/public pressure to complete the ceremony as planned. They were willing to fuck with all of that.

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,835 posts)
11. Sounds like the hideous mating of a shyster and a weasel.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 11:52 AM
Dec 2021

She should face ethics charges and possible disbarment for this.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
12. why do these people
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 12:18 PM
Dec 2021

want a Hitler. And this mini-me is incompetent, inarticulate, a sexual predator, and a narcissistic psychopath, openly displayed?

Oh, what the hell am I thinking? Money of course. 65 million believe in the clown that posed as POTUS(Putin pulled the strings)so they, in trumps name can continue to soak the poor to line their pockets. They have4 years of a leader who filled their coffers by spreading fear and hate of liberals, all Democrats, and fear of the "others". 'Others' are those south of our borders and ALL POC in this country. Except for those ass-kissing idiot traitors like Herman Cain, Ben Carson, and Kanye West, et al.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
13. sekulow's phone no was listed with hannity, levin (radio shows) by guy with napalm, guns jan 6
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 12:27 PM
Dec 2021

sekulow has radio show on 500 stations.....

Bayard

(22,168 posts)
14. Peaceful transfer of power
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 01:06 PM
Dec 2021

What is so hard to understand about that? "We don't want to," is not a valid argument. What the Big Lie has done to this country is criminally crazy, and should be prosecuted as such.

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
15. She is evil. She quit the GOP last July, saying it didn't "support trump enough."
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 02:23 PM
Dec 2021

Probably a nazi racist.
I hope she gets thrown in the slammer.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
16. When are these evil motherfuckers going to start PAYING for all this?
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 02:32 PM
Dec 2021

Some time in my lifetime would be nice...

Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #17)

keithbvadu2

(36,937 posts)
20. Our GOP Taliban are like the Afghan Taliban.
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 07:39 PM
Dec 2021

Our GOP Taliban are like the Afghan Taliban.

They control the religion which controls the extremists of that religion.

Or the extremists control the religion for their own benefit.

Just like the GOP.

FakeNoose

(32,777 posts)
21. None of these lawyers worked for the U.S. government
Sat Dec 11, 2021, 08:48 PM
Dec 2021

None of them were employed in the White House. Where did these people come from? Who brought them in and gave them the authority to start an insurgency? I'm talking about Jenna Ellis, Sydney Powell, John Eastman, Jay Sekulow, even Rudy Giuliani - they're all seditious traitors and none of them were hired by normal means. None of them were given standard security clearances ... and yet, here we are.


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