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brooklynite

(94,679 posts)
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 10:31 PM Dec 2021

Jan. 6 rally organizers sue Verizon to block release of cell phone data to congressional committee

Source: Politico

Four organizers of the Jan. 6 rally filed a lawsuit Monday against Verizon, in an attempt to prevent the telecommunications company from releasing cell phone data with the congressional select committee investigating the attack on the Capitol.

In their lawsuit, Justin Caporale, Tim Unes, Megan Powers and Maggie Mulvaney argued the committee doesn’t have the proper authority to obtain the data. The Jan. 6 committee’s subpoena to Verizon, requesting, call, text and location information “lacks a lawful purpose and seeks to invade the plaintiffs’ constitutional rights to privacy and to confidential political communications,” the suit says.

The suit says the plaintiffs have personally complied with the committee’s investigation, sitting for “lengthy” interviews and providing “thousands of documents to Congressional investigators.”

“The Plaintiffs are four private citizens who were not involved in any federal government activities or programs. They have only one apparent connection to the matter Congress claims to be investigating: They served as vendors to help staff a peaceful, lawful, orderly and patriotic assembly to promote First Amendment-protected speech,” the suit says.


Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/13/jan-6-rally-organizers-sue-verizon-524189



Isn’t there a saying: “You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide”?
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Jan. 6 rally organizers sue Verizon to block release of cell phone data to congressional committee (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2021 OP
Wait, they are saying there is a constitutional right to privacy Walleye Dec 2021 #1
I caught that too underpants Dec 2021 #3
Good. Glad I wasn't the only one. Too bad the Supremes don't listen Walleye Dec 2021 #5
The investigation has a lawful purpose & "peaceful, lawful, orderly and patriotic" it sure wasn't bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #2
Shills for congress critters Fullduplexxx Dec 2021 #4
dumb legal question......... Takket Dec 2021 #6
You COULD, but as the post below yours says, it'll likely get tossed in a few minutes. oldsoftie Dec 2021 #21
whelp... this should be dismissed in about 5 seconds......... Takket Dec 2021 #7
Lol. Love it! Orrex Dec 2021 #10
Sweet!!!!!!!! Talitha Dec 2021 #13
Fuck 'em Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 #8
The fire's getting hot, huh? tishaLA Dec 2021 #9
"If I'd known you were gonna catch me, I wouldn't have talked about it on my cell." Orrex Dec 2021 #11
What is it that you're so desperate to hide? sinkingfeeling Dec 2021 #12
How long before this is decided and the Committee gets the information? jalan48 Dec 2021 #14
Exactly. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #17
Our problem is that Democrat's could become the minority party in a little more than a year. jalan48 Dec 2021 #18
do the word treason hit home ! the noose is on the other neck now !!! monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #15
It is their strategy, Delay Delay Delay. gab13by13 Dec 2021 #16
We need to find out who is paying their lawyers (n/t) William Seger Dec 2021 #19
Fuck around find out... Historic NY Dec 2021 #20
When it comes to National Security Linda Ed Dec 2021 #22
Mulvaney berniesandersmittens Dec 2021 #23

Walleye

(31,035 posts)
1. Wait, they are saying there is a constitutional right to privacy
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 10:33 PM
Dec 2021

Republican legislator today in Texas just said the right to an abortion was made up out of whole cloth. It was based on the right to privacy

bucolic_frolic

(43,249 posts)
2. The investigation has a lawful purpose & "peaceful, lawful, orderly and patriotic" it sure wasn't
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 10:41 PM
Dec 2021

So this is just bluster if you ask me

Takket

(21,607 posts)
6. dumb legal question.........
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 10:47 PM
Dec 2021

if they think the committee doesn't have the right to their phone records, don't they have to sue the committee? How can they sue Verizon? Verizon has just been asked for the records, they have no dog in the fight. If I rob a Wendy's and the camera at the bank next door catches me running away, and the police ask for the tapes from the bank, i can't sue the bank and say "the police have no right to ask for your camera". Can I???

oldsoftie

(12,583 posts)
21. You COULD, but as the post below yours says, it'll likely get tossed in a few minutes.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 08:01 AM
Dec 2021

Hell, the committee probably already HAS the records!

Takket

(21,607 posts)
7. whelp... this should be dismissed in about 5 seconds.........
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 10:51 PM
Dec 2021
https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/06/the-feds-dont-need-to-tell-you-or-get-a-warrant-to-collect-your-emails-and-phone-records/

from 2019:

Americans began querying how Schiff could have obtained the phone call records for the report. Some speculated that a secret warrant had been sought for them, that someone at the carrier (AT&T) had leaked them, that the National Security Agency had been tasked with obtaining them, or that a federal agency had issued a “natsec” letter to acquire them for the intelligence committee.

In reality, the government can obtain these records without taking any such extraordinary measures — and no judge even need be involved for Congress to get them. It can simply send a subpoena to the carrier.

This seemingly astonishing explanation exists because under current law, these records are not protected by any warrant requirement. First, based on Supreme Court precedent, obtaining these records is not a “search” under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures by the government.

In Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979), the court said Americans did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the information showing who they spoke to on the telephone because the phone company possessed that information. With no reasonable expectation of privacy in that information, the court concluded police didn’t need a warrant to obtain it.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,135 posts)
8. Fuck 'em
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 10:53 PM
Dec 2021

As one who made a career in the communication's business (Including 10 years with Verizon) law enforcement can subpoena call records provided they go through the proper channels.

You're right. As the conservatives always like to say, “You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.”

gab13by13

(21,379 posts)
17. Exactly.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 01:15 AM
Dec 2021

Steve Bannon's indictment was cut and dried yet his trial isn't until the middle of July, which he will probably appeal if he is convicted.

jalan48

(13,878 posts)
18. Our problem is that Democrat's could become the minority party in a little more than a year.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 01:26 AM
Dec 2021

The comparison to Watergate doesn’t apply. The Democrats were solidly in control of Congress , plus back then there were moderate Republicans. No one was afraid Nixon loyalists would take control and stop the investigation. We have a very short time frame to make something happen and the longer it drags out the less chance it has of succeeding.

Linda Ed

(493 posts)
22. When it comes to National Security
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:21 AM
Dec 2021

and committing a crimes, violence and murder on the U. S. Capitol ,,,you get the records ,,,no question..it's not a first amendment issue. First Amendment does not protect Trump from liability for his failure to act once his rally speech set serious federal crimes in motion.

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