Thousands of JFK assassination documents have just been made public
Source: Business Insider
Nearly 1,500 previously classified documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy were released on Wednesday by the US National Archives and Records Administration.
The secret government JFK files were released online after months of delays by the Biden administration.
That trove of documents can be viewed here.
The White House said in October that it would again delay the release of long-classified documents due to the "significant impact" of the COVID-19 pandemic.
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NewHendoLib
(60,015 posts)I will bookmark this thread so I can dig in when I have a bit more time.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)The truth Wii out.
Same.
Omnipresent
(5,714 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)You obviously have no memory of the assassination of President John Kennedy..Nothing about it bears any
resemblance to the cheap parlor tricks of a Geraldo Rivera.
Omnipresent
(5,714 posts)I wasnt even alive then.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)The number of people who were alive and old remember it is going to get smaller.
Most of us were children or teenagers.
How many adults are still alive to remember it.
I would like to see it while I am still alive.
niyad
(113,338 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)DickKessler
(364 posts)LiberatedUSA
(1,666 posts)saying JFK Jr plans to read them aloud in Texas?
Sneederbunk
(14,291 posts)BComplex
(8,053 posts)Austin, if I remember correctly. And it was supposed to be let out after 50 years had passed. I'll never forget the day JFK was assassinated. Never. He was a really good Democrat.
RussBLib
(9,019 posts)or they would not have held them up for so long.
some intrepid reporter(s) will fill us all in
DickKessler
(364 posts)There's also info on Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster, and the alien abductions.
All will be revealed in good time...
Polybius
(15,428 posts)Who knows though.
demigoddess
(6,641 posts)he hated and considered enemies of the country. I read a biography of Hoover and it was very enlightening.
LT Barclay
(2,605 posts)His excuse for that day is that he doesnt remember where he was
Polybius
(15,428 posts)Everyone remembers where they were when they heard that JFK died. Everyone except him I guess.
LT Barclay
(2,605 posts)what I was doing on 9/11.
That man was a fighter pilot, CIA agent, CIA director. He may be a lot of things and have a lot of horrible qualities, but I'm sure a bad memory isn't one of them.
DickKessler
(364 posts)I suspect not.
Interesting nonetheless!
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)DickKessler
(364 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)The conspiracy theorists need their conspiracy fix. I was one until 04 when it became clear that oswald acted alone. Sad, but thats the way it was.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)You might not want to call other folks who don't agree with you "conspiracy theorists" if that's your name on DU.
I have my own views, which, if correct, would undermine your username.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)Conspiracy theories and conspiracy facts. The fact is that the evidence is overwhelming that Oswald was the sole shooter. He was insane and got lucky. Its that simple.
DickKessler
(364 posts)It couldn't have been just a deranged "little Communist" as Jackie said.
The violent, abrupt and tragic end of Camelot demands a more important, powerful, sinister, and conspiratorial cause. That's what this is all about. That's what it's always been about (JFK assassination conspiracy theories). JFK could only have been killed by really powerful people, by this logic.
The sad, awful, and scary truth is that anyone of any importance or goodness can die abruptly in the most random, senseless, and petty way possible. It's hard for us to accept that, as human beings. But that's just how it is.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)Your thesis fails. If there was a conspiracy it would NOT be for the reason in your subject line.
Just because you hypothesize a conspiracy does not mean there IS one and all you have to do is find it. That is presupposing the conclusion.
All the above Presidents were attacked by a lone gun man or woman. Some succeeded.
If there was a "more important, powerful, sinister, and conspiratorial cause", then JFK would be the first to be attacked by one.
former9thward
(32,023 posts)The Lincoln assassination was a massive conspiracy. Attacks on the VP and Secretary of War the same night. Four were hung and others went to prison.
DeeNice
(575 posts)conspiracy theorists think. I've always thought this...it doesn't make sense that someone so important to so many could just be eliminated by a nobody like Oswald. But we are never guaranteed "sense" in this world. Sometimes, unfortunately, shit happens.
oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)Thats it exactly.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)I don't doubt for one second that LHO had something to do with the assassination. However, I think it's clear that there was more than him, and, by definition, that's a conspiracy.
Think about these common-sense facts that just scratch the surface:
1) Oswald had a clear shot at the motorcade coming down Houston Street, but instead allegedly takes a highly angled shot at a car moving AWAY from him on Elm Street with a tree in the middle of his line of sight. That right there is so glaring. Why exactly would he do that?
2) Why did the shooting actually occur on Elm? Because multiple guns could be trained on the President during essentially the last portion of the motorcade trip with any sizeable number of people there. Some call it "triangulation", but it could have been many more. than just three sets of shooters. But three seems about right. Again, if acting alone, why wouldn't Oswald have taken the much easier shots on Houston Street?
3) "Back and to the left", "back and to the left", "back and to the left". The only legitimate explanation I have ever seen for these odd movements of our beloved President's body while suffering this horrible assault is that he was wearing a brace because of his back. I'm not sure this was even covered by the Warren Commission
4) LHO's movements after allegedly assassinating the President are bizarre, to say the least. He was seen in the Texas Book Depository building several floors below the sixth floor not at all out of breath very shortly after the shooting. Then he makes an insane trip to his rooming house ON A BUS. Then, he gives up a taxi to a lady after the bus gets stalled in traffic and takes a later taxi. Seriously? And, then, this monstrous assassin goes to a rooming house to change his shirt and jacket and pick up his revolver? Seriously, might such a cunning devious assassin thought of his getaway a little more skillfully than this, given how amazing his shots were with a rifle with a misaligned sight from World War I? Don't you think he would have packed all of this along with his "curtain rods"?
5) Oswald admired President Kennedy and was NEVER heard to say a disparaging word about him, AFAIK.
6) Oh, and, did I forget to mention Ruby's "gangland-style" murder of LHO? Because he wanted to keep Mrs. Kennedy from suffering pain and sadness at testifying at Oswald's trial. Are you kidding me?
Come on, man, as our current beloved President says...this is just for starters. I could go and on. I am not saying LHO had no involvement. He was definitely connected to something. But we will never really know because, for example, there are absolutely no notes or recordings when he was in custody with the Dallas Police from Friday afternoon, November 22 until he was killed on the morning of November 24. Yeah right...
People who criticize Oliver Stone's "JFK" as fiction miss the point that it is no more or less fiction than the Warren Report. I've just listed a few common-sense details that have never been explained. The connections in this case to many characters in the Mafia, the government, etc are intriguing to say the least. What exactly do you think Nixon meant went he instructed Bob Haldeman and John Ehrichman to tell the CIA to block the FBI's Watergate burglary because it "would open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing"? What exactly do you think Nixon meant? Whatever it really did mean, the CIA did tell the FBI to stop its Watergate investigation, and this lasted for 2 weeks? You do know about the many connections between the Bay of Pigs planners and Oswald, right?
The one thing I do know is that I love everything about President Kennedy. Perhaps history will show that it was this tragic death and the fact that documents are still being released nearly sixty years after the assassination that started the complete disbelief that folks have when the government tells them something.
I suppose you also believe that Watergate was a third-rate burglary by folks having nothing to do with Nixon's administration, that we won the Vietnam War, and that the 2003 Iraq War was justified? As you say, "it's that simple" to believe all of those lies.
Polybius
(15,428 posts)Luck? Because it sure wasn't skill.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Polybius
(15,428 posts)I saw one ex-soldier try to reenact it (it was a moving, elevated watermelon to simulate a head in a car) from a building out a window and he said the shot was pretty difficult. Took him several tries, and he didn't have any element of surprise.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)With a tree partially blocking the view? Strains all credibility IMHO.
I also understood that the sharpshooter grade was the lowest passing accuracy in the Marines at that time.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert
One shot apparently missed the presidential limousine entirely, another struck both Kennedy and Connally, and a third bullet struck Kennedy in the head, so the head shot sounds like a lucky hit for him. (not so much for JFK of course)
But 83 meters is not very far for a trained rifleman, those WWI/WWII era rifles were designed to hit targets up to 500m away.
During his Marine Corps service in 1956, Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle. And that's with no scope.
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 17, 2021, 03:57 AM - Edit history (2)
Like all marines, Oswald was trained and tested in shooting. In December 1956, he scored 212, which was slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter. In May 1959 he scored 191, which reduced his rating to marksman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald
In addition, I'm no gun expert, but isn't there a huge difference between a semi-automatic and a bolt-action rifle? I'm especially focusing on the very few seconds Oswald had to get off three shots from the Mannlicher-Carcano bolt-action rifle. And he was trying to hit a moving target with an oak tree in the view.
Plus, as mentioned before, he had a completely clear shot when the motorcade was on Houston Street. Why would a trained Marine sharpshooter, who was then demoted to marksmen, four years before the assassination, take such a shot, which was also very angled? He had a much easier chance on Houston Street.
Makes no sense, but then the lone gunman folks will say Oswald was "insane" to explain these commonsense issues away....
whathehell
(29,067 posts)It was "agreed upon" by the Warren Commission -- "conspiracy theorists" my ass.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)But like any investigation - they cast their nets wide and went into areas which probably did have some interesting things which is what they are keeping hidden.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)It's an assertion..One that was, and continues to be held in considerable doubt.
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Ted Cruz's dad, right?
DownriverDem
(6,229 posts)The CIA had him assassinated. JFK wanted to acknowledge that Roswell really happened and we were reverse engineering the space craft. The majestic 12 started during Truman didn't want that to come out. The one who really knows is dead too. George HW Bush who was head of the CIA.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)the FBI, the Mafia or any other oganized entity was involved. If any of them were, Oswald would have had a much better rifle to work with, and it would have been much harder to trace the origin of the rifle and who purchased it. The rifle he had was a piece of junk, but with some luck, good enough to get the job done.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)It could be anyone and the hairline doesn't particularly match.
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)Chins are very movable. What is really telling is the ears are identical. I've never seen this version of the picture, but that's the same person, or a good fabrication.
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)The question is when he began as an operative, or did he become an operative 15-20+ years beforehand.
vanlassie
(5,675 posts)I was 11 and I remember where I was for fuck sakes.
TheRickles
(2,065 posts)DickKessler
(364 posts)He was traveling a lot in those days. But if not, maybe he genuinely doesn't remember exactly where he was? I dunno!
Furthermore, both father and son George Bush are known for being excellent at remembering names and faces but terrible at remembering facts and dates. Dyslexia or something similar probably runs in the family - GHWB's third son (after Dubya and Jeb!) Neil Bush (the one who has gotten in serious legal trouble multiple times) was actually diagnosed with severe dyslexia as a child. Perhaps there's something going on there? Again, I dunno.
Both 41 and especially 43 were notorious for mangling the English language ("Bushisms" ). Perhaps they've likewise had issues with certain aspects of their memories, in addition to the lying, dissembling, half-truths, and pathological secrecy that comes with being a Bush.
Maybe GHWB was involved in some sort of covert op on behalf of the CIA or whomever on 11/22/1963 that's super-classified but had nothing to do with the JFK assassination. Again, who knows?
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)I was 12 and in a school 10 miles away. My father was piloting a commercial flight from Houston to Love Field and had to delay his landing until Air Force One departed.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)She was home sick from kindergarten & her mom had put their small TV in her bedroom to keep her occupied. Friend recalls going out to the kitchen to complain to her mother that her show kept being interruped while "the guy" talked about the president being shot. What made it memorable was that her mom nearly knocked her over getting to the bedroom to check what was happening....and bursting into tears when she saw it.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)And I remember where I was when I heard about the assassination. It was probably the next day. I was at my grandmas house. She was reading the newspaper and crying. I asked her why she was crying and she told me President Kennedy had been shot.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,489 posts)Slammer
(714 posts)That's not what happened at all.
The event was an operation so that JFK could fake his death and run off with Marylin Monroe (who had faked her own death the previous year).
Johnson was in on it since he was to run the coverup and as a bonus would get to be president.
However, Johnson was worried that the fake-out would be discovered and double-crossed JFK, having both him and Monroe killed.
JFK and Monroe's bodies were originally moved and hidden to close to LBJ's childhood home in south Texas. But they were moved back to the Dallas area in 1964 and were deposited under what would shortly afterward become the lakebed of Lake Ray Hubbard.
GP6971
(31,167 posts)or forgot the sarcasm tag. Right?
That was a plotline and beginning research for a book I considered writing 20 years ago.
Sort of an alternative history thriller.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)He served in that post for one year, from January 30, 1976, to January 20, 1977. There is some evidence -- it is not conclusive -- that he may have worked for the agency in some capacity in 1963, but he certainly wasn't head of the agency!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)author of "The Family", the only adult at that time, who claims to "not remember" where he was that day.
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)by trolling those with serious concern - remember how the Gingrich conservatives mocked Hillary about right wing conspiracies.
Also, the Nixon war waged against John Lennon came to my mind when immediately after Obama's 1st inauguration address, when Pat Buchanon was asked to comment, he laughed and exclaimed 'He sounded like John Lennon!'. I was pissed. Up to that point I was always almost completely convinced his killer acted alone despite Yoko's and Sean's insistent claims of CIA responsibility.
I agree with you - GHWB's refusal to even humor any crappy answer is worth noting.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . when he served two terms, from 1967 to 1971. So all you are left with is his claim that he didn't remember where he was on November 22, 1963 and a fuzzy black and white photograph that may or may not have been him, and neither of which, taken either alone or together, proves anything..
whathehell
(29,067 posts)labeling it "socialism".
As for the rest, you can argue with Jeff Sharlet, as I'm not necessarily "making a case" against Poppy.
That said, anyone of age in 1963, not to mention a politically connected Texan, who claims to "not reremember" where they were when Kennedy was killed, is full of shit. Researchers have found that children as young as 3 years old recall where they were when they heard of the assassination.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . Two years before Bush was elected to Congress. He may indeed have called it "socialism," but he didn't vote against it in Congress.
Look, I'm not really interested in defending Poppy Bush. But the suggestion that he is implicated in the JFK assassination is weak and speculative at best. And your other assertions are just factually wrong.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)as "socialism".
https://cwa-union.org/news/entry/social_security_communist_plot_medicare_called_government_takeover
"Look, I'm not really interested in defending Poppy Bush"
Really? You seem to be spending a lot of energy doing just that, but if you want to continue claiming an argument as "weak" you'll need to actually familiarize yourself with it.. As I suggested in my last post, argue with Jeff Sharlet
As to my "other assertions" being "just factually wrong",
I'm sorry, dear, but you'll neef to be a bit more specific".
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brooklynite
(94,596 posts)...any conspiracy theory that isn't supported by the evidence will be because "they" withheld the REAL documents.....
twodogsbarking
(9,759 posts)Used to be John Jr. too.
Tom Yossarian Joad
(19,230 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)That's the date that the fully unredacted Mueller Report, along with other corroborating evidence, will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump stole the 2016 election with the help of the Russians and that the National Republican Party was fully aware and conspired accordingly.
Well, unless the fascists take over and truth will forever be papered over.
Cherokee100
(266 posts)How did a known defector to Russia (the FBI had a file on him) just happen to end up working, in a building on the motor cade route in Dallas? No one has ever answered that question.
marble falls
(57,104 posts)ruet
(10,039 posts)Is there no such thing as a copy editor anymore?
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greatbaldeagle
(157 posts)There just seem to be far too many elaborate details for him to be completely making it all up.
Here's his prison confession. He talks about the "Fireball" gun he used at about 42:40. He starts talking about the moments leading up to the shooting at about 54:00 and firing the fatal shot at about 57:00.
msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)I'm sure there are thousands, and I'm really happy to read that 1,500 classified docs are being made public.
I'm wondering if msm.com inadvertantly left out a few zeros?
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)I used to be a gun nut, before I changed. (Sandy Hook changed me) .
I remember all the data about guns and ballistics.
When I moved to DFW in 1989. the first I did was go to Dealy Plaza and the Sixth Floor museum. BTW, Dealy is much smaller in reality.
I stood on the 6th floor next to the window he fired from. My reaction was "This was an easy shot'". In seconds all my years of conspiracy beliefs went right down the toilet.
There WAS a conspiracy by TPTB after the fact to cover up their mistakes of not taking LHO much more seriously.
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)thought the very same thing. Something else I noticed was he actually had a better shot as the car came towards the building before turning left. A target moving at you slowing to make the turn is an easier shot than a car going away from you and about to accelerate. I wondered two things. One was did he almost lose his nerve and decide not to do it? The other thing is did he have trouble jacking the first round into the chamber of the piece of junk rifle he had? That's not uncommon with bolt action rifles.
Speaking of the rifle, If Oswald had the CIA, Russian Government or the Mafia behind him, he would have had a much better rifle. I agree he was a lone actor, and one on a small budget.
former9thward
(32,023 posts)No one needed worry about Oswald's rifle if the real shooter was elsewhere. According to the Warren Commission Oswald was seen using the a vending machine in the building he worked in after the assassination. Not exactly what you would expect of someone who had just shot a president.
niyad
(113,338 posts)"unedited".