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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,034 posts)
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 02:31 PM Dec 2021

Thousands of JFK assassination documents have just been made public

Source: Business Insider

Nearly 1,500 previously classified documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy were released on Wednesday by the US National Archives and Records Administration.

The secret government JFK files were released online after months of delays by the Biden administration.

That trove of documents can be viewed here.

The White House said in October that it would again delay the release of long-classified documents due to the "significant impact" of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/thousands-of-jfk-assassination-documents-have-just-been-made-public/ar-AARQEyN?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=DELLDHP

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Thousands of JFK assassination documents have just been made public (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2021 OP
wow. hoping some here have the stamina to do some mining to find interesting nuggets NewHendoLib Dec 2021 #1
Finally proof that Jimmy Hoffa killed JFK! Kablooie Dec 2021 #60
Or AI mahina Dec 2021 #69
Probably as revealing as Al Capones safe, being opened on live tv. Omnipresent Dec 2021 #2
Um, no.. whathehell Dec 2021 #50
Your right! Omnipresent Dec 2021 #55
About time. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #3
I am still here. I remember. niyad Dec 2021 #74
Have they arrested Ted Cruz's Dad yet? FSogol Dec 2021 #4
They haven't even arrested Ted Cruz for 1/6. DickKessler Dec 2021 #9
Could someone do a work-up for idiots... LiberatedUSA Dec 2021 #5
All you need to know is that the good stuff is not here. Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #6
That would be my guess. They sealed the JFK assassination information in the LBJ library at UT BComplex Dec 2021 #7
there has to be SOMEthing good in there RussBLib Dec 2021 #15
Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby's CIA handlers' info is in there, imo. Trust me on this. DickKessler Dec 2021 #30
Probably something on Poppy Bush, but no hard proof Polybius Dec 2021 #38
I'm betting it is info on J Edgar Hoover. 3 successful assassinations and all men that demigoddess Dec 2021 #47
I had a post removed for suggesting something similar LT Barclay Dec 2021 #62
While I wasn't born yet, people tell me this: Polybius Dec 2021 #63
I was only months old, and I've never had a great memory, but I can tell you almost every detail of LT Barclay Dec 2021 #71
Cool. Will it change the fact that LHO was solely responsible for JFK and JD Tippit's murders? DickKessler Dec 2021 #8
Whatever he did it was not done alone. Ford_Prefect Dec 2021 #10
And what's your source on that? DickKessler Dec 2021 #31
No oswaldactedalone Dec 2021 #11
Hmmm...your username says a lot MerryHolidays Dec 2021 #13
There's a difference between oswaldactedalone Dec 2021 #20
You don't understand, JFK HAD to have been killed by a conspiracy worthy of his importance. DickKessler Dec 2021 #32
Get REAL. Like Ford? Reagan? Lincoln? Garfield? McKinley? Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #49
What? former9thward Dec 2021 #77
unlike some others I recognize you are talking about how DeeNice Dec 2021 #61
Yes oswaldactedalone Dec 2021 #64
I guess Jack Ruby got REALLY "lucky" too? MerryHolidays Dec 2021 #33
How did he make that shot then? Polybius Dec 2021 #39
81 meter shot for a trained marine is not hard. And he did make sharpshooter in the Corp EX500rider Dec 2021 #45
From what I've seen and read, others have said he wasn't that good of a shooter Polybius Dec 2021 #46
Firing on a moving vehicle, with 50 year old bolt action rifle, with a misaligned scope? MerryHolidays Dec 2021 #66
3 grades EX500rider Dec 2021 #68
From Oswald's Wikipedia page...his last rank 4 years before the assassination was lowest possible MerryHolidays Dec 2021 #70
It's not "clear" at all.. whathehell Dec 2021 #82
Will not change that Lithos Dec 2021 #34
That isn't a fact.. whathehell Dec 2021 #51
I already know who did it. bearsfootball516 Dec 2021 #12
CIA Related DownriverDem Dec 2021 #14
I don't think the CIA, Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #16
I just wish it would explain this: El Supremo Dec 2021 #18
I never thought that particularly looked like Bush Ron Obvious Dec 2021 #22
How about this? El Supremo Dec 2021 #36
Different chins n/t Ron Obvious Dec 2021 #41
That could just be a facial expression. Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #79
GHWB was appointed head of the CIA by President Gerald Ford in 1976 bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #19
What got me was how GHWB claimed he "couldn't remember" where he was that day. vanlassie Dec 2021 #24
You'd think he could've come up with a better cover story, FFS. TheRickles Dec 2021 #28
I think he said at some point that he was in Tyler, Texas giving speeches for his US Senate campaign DickKessler Dec 2021 #29
Zactly! El Supremo Dec 2021 #35
I was 10 and remember. I havea friend who was 5 and she remember dflprincess Dec 2021 #37
I was 4 cannabis_flower Dec 2021 #48
So Wernher von Braun came into the office and played Sudoku all day long? NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 #25
JFK "assassination" Slammer Dec 2021 #27
You're either joking GP6971 Dec 2021 #42
/s Slammer Dec 2021 #67
Bush wasn't the director of the CIA until 1976 . . . markpkessinger Dec 2021 #43
No, but he was a congressman, and according to Jeff Sharlet, whathehell Dec 2021 #52
Those insiders like to show off ArizonaLib Dec 2021 #54
He wasn't a Congressman until 1967 . . . markpkessinger Dec 2021 #72
My bad..He was in Congress early enough to vote against Medicare, whathehell Dec 2021 #73
Medicare was signed into law in 1965 . . . markpkessinger Dec 2021 #80
Um, and when he ran for the Senate in 1964, he attacked Medicare whathehell Dec 2021 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author markpkessinger Dec 2021 #44
Waiting for the cover-up allegations... brooklynite Dec 2021 #17
I always think of Caroline when I hear JFK. twodogsbarking Dec 2021 #21
If anything comes of this the R's will blame it on Obama, Biden or Antifa. Tom Yossarian Joad Dec 2021 #23
Mark this date down in your calendar: March 27, 2094 Mr. Ected Dec 2021 #26
How did Cherokee100 Dec 2021 #40
hahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha! marble falls Dec 2021 #53
Nearly 1,500 ≠ Thousands ruet Dec 2021 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author greatbaldeagle Dec 2021 #57
James Files' confession as the shooter is quite compelling greatbaldeagle Dec 2021 #58
I didn't know the number 1,500 equates to "thousands" msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #59
I believe LHO acted alone. MicaelS Dec 2021 #65
I visited that musem a few years ago and I Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #76
The Zapruder film shows that the kill shot jerked the head back not forward. former9thward Dec 2021 #78
KNR and bookmarking. One does wonder how many of those documents are niyad Dec 2021 #75

NewHendoLib

(60,015 posts)
1. wow. hoping some here have the stamina to do some mining to find interesting nuggets
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 02:49 PM
Dec 2021

I will bookmark this thread so I can dig in when I have a bit more time.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
50. Um, no..
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:04 AM
Dec 2021

You obviously have no memory of the assassination of President John Kennedy..Nothing about it bears any
resemblance to the cheap parlor tricks of a Geraldo Rivera.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
3. About time.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 02:58 PM
Dec 2021

The number of people who were alive and old remember it is going to get smaller.

Most of us were children or teenagers.

How many adults are still alive to remember it.

I would like to see it while I am still alive.



BComplex

(8,053 posts)
7. That would be my guess. They sealed the JFK assassination information in the LBJ library at UT
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 03:10 PM
Dec 2021

Austin, if I remember correctly. And it was supposed to be let out after 50 years had passed. I'll never forget the day JFK was assassinated. Never. He was a really good Democrat.

RussBLib

(9,019 posts)
15. there has to be SOMEthing good in there
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 04:06 PM
Dec 2021

or they would not have held them up for so long.

some intrepid reporter(s) will fill us all in

DickKessler

(364 posts)
30. Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby's CIA handlers' info is in there, imo. Trust me on this.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 06:57 PM
Dec 2021

There's also info on Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster, and the alien abductions.

All will be revealed in good time...

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
47. I'm betting it is info on J Edgar Hoover. 3 successful assassinations and all men that
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:17 AM
Dec 2021

he hated and considered enemies of the country. I read a biography of Hoover and it was very enlightening.

LT Barclay

(2,605 posts)
62. I had a post removed for suggesting something similar
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 02:34 PM
Dec 2021

His excuse for that day is that he doesn’t remember where he was

Polybius

(15,428 posts)
63. While I wasn't born yet, people tell me this:
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 02:36 PM
Dec 2021

Everyone remembers where they were when they heard that JFK died. Everyone except him I guess.

LT Barclay

(2,605 posts)
71. I was only months old, and I've never had a great memory, but I can tell you almost every detail of
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 02:05 AM
Dec 2021

what I was doing on 9/11.
That man was a fighter pilot, CIA agent, CIA director. He may be a lot of things and have a lot of horrible qualities, but I'm sure a bad memory isn't one of them.

DickKessler

(364 posts)
8. Cool. Will it change the fact that LHO was solely responsible for JFK and JD Tippit's murders?
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 03:10 PM
Dec 2021

I suspect not.

Interesting nonetheless!

oswaldactedalone

(3,491 posts)
11. No
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 03:36 PM
Dec 2021

The conspiracy theorists need their conspiracy fix. I was one until ‘04 when it became clear that oswald acted alone. Sad, but that’s the way it was.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
13. Hmmm...your username says a lot
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 03:52 PM
Dec 2021

You might not want to call other folks who don't agree with you "conspiracy theorists" if that's your name on DU.

I have my own views, which, if correct, would undermine your username.

oswaldactedalone

(3,491 posts)
20. There's a difference between
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 05:37 PM
Dec 2021

Conspiracy theories and conspiracy facts. The fact is that the evidence is overwhelming that Oswald was the sole shooter. He was insane and got lucky. It’s that simple.

DickKessler

(364 posts)
32. You don't understand, JFK HAD to have been killed by a conspiracy worthy of his importance.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 06:59 PM
Dec 2021

It couldn't have been just a deranged "little Communist" as Jackie said.

The violent, abrupt and tragic end of Camelot demands a more important, powerful, sinister, and conspiratorial cause. That's what this is all about. That's what it's always been about (JFK assassination conspiracy theories). JFK could only have been killed by really powerful people, by this logic.

The sad, awful, and scary truth is that anyone of any importance or goodness can die abruptly in the most random, senseless, and petty way possible. It's hard for us to accept that, as human beings. But that's just how it is.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
49. Get REAL. Like Ford? Reagan? Lincoln? Garfield? McKinley?
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 07:10 AM
Dec 2021

Your thesis fails. If there was a conspiracy it would NOT be for the reason in your subject line.

Just because you hypothesize a conspiracy does not mean there IS one and all you have to do is find it. That is presupposing the conclusion.




All the above Presidents were attacked by a lone gun man or woman. Some succeeded.

If there was a "more important, powerful, sinister, and conspiratorial cause", then JFK would be the first to be attacked by one.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
77. What?
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:53 AM
Dec 2021

The Lincoln assassination was a massive conspiracy. Attacks on the VP and Secretary of War the same night. Four were hung and others went to prison.

DeeNice

(575 posts)
61. unlike some others I recognize you are talking about how
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:41 PM
Dec 2021

conspiracy theorists think. I've always thought this...it doesn't make sense that someone so important to so many could just be eliminated by a nobody like Oswald. But we are never guaranteed "sense" in this world. Sometimes, unfortunately, shit happens.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
33. I guess Jack Ruby got REALLY "lucky" too?
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 08:32 PM
Dec 2021

I don't doubt for one second that LHO had something to do with the assassination. However, I think it's clear that there was more than him, and, by definition, that's a conspiracy.

Think about these common-sense facts that just scratch the surface:

1) Oswald had a clear shot at the motorcade coming down Houston Street, but instead allegedly takes a highly angled shot at a car moving AWAY from him on Elm Street with a tree in the middle of his line of sight. That right there is so glaring. Why exactly would he do that?

2) Why did the shooting actually occur on Elm? Because multiple guns could be trained on the President during essentially the last portion of the motorcade trip with any sizeable number of people there. Some call it "triangulation", but it could have been many more. than just three sets of shooters. But three seems about right. Again, if acting alone, why wouldn't Oswald have taken the much easier shots on Houston Street?

3) "Back and to the left", "back and to the left", "back and to the left". The only legitimate explanation I have ever seen for these odd movements of our beloved President's body while suffering this horrible assault is that he was wearing a brace because of his back. I'm not sure this was even covered by the Warren Commission

4) LHO's movements after allegedly assassinating the President are bizarre, to say the least. He was seen in the Texas Book Depository building several floors below the sixth floor not at all out of breath very shortly after the shooting. Then he makes an insane trip to his rooming house ON A BUS. Then, he gives up a taxi to a lady after the bus gets stalled in traffic and takes a later taxi. Seriously? And, then, this monstrous assassin goes to a rooming house to change his shirt and jacket and pick up his revolver? Seriously, might such a cunning devious assassin thought of his getaway a little more skillfully than this, given how amazing his shots were with a rifle with a misaligned sight from World War I? Don't you think he would have packed all of this along with his "curtain rods"?

5) Oswald admired President Kennedy and was NEVER heard to say a disparaging word about him, AFAIK.

6) Oh, and, did I forget to mention Ruby's "gangland-style" murder of LHO? Because he wanted to keep Mrs. Kennedy from suffering pain and sadness at testifying at Oswald's trial. Are you kidding me?

Come on, man, as our current beloved President says...this is just for starters. I could go and on. I am not saying LHO had no involvement. He was definitely connected to something. But we will never really know because, for example, there are absolutely no notes or recordings when he was in custody with the Dallas Police from Friday afternoon, November 22 until he was killed on the morning of November 24. Yeah right...

People who criticize Oliver Stone's "JFK" as fiction miss the point that it is no more or less fiction than the Warren Report. I've just listed a few common-sense details that have never been explained. The connections in this case to many characters in the Mafia, the government, etc are intriguing to say the least. What exactly do you think Nixon meant went he instructed Bob Haldeman and John Ehrichman to tell the CIA to block the FBI's Watergate burglary because it "would open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing"? What exactly do you think Nixon meant? Whatever it really did mean, the CIA did tell the FBI to stop its Watergate investigation, and this lasted for 2 weeks? You do know about the many connections between the Bay of Pigs planners and Oswald, right?

The one thing I do know is that I love everything about President Kennedy. Perhaps history will show that it was this tragic death and the fact that documents are still being released nearly sixty years after the assassination that started the complete disbelief that folks have when the government tells them something.

I suppose you also believe that Watergate was a third-rate burglary by folks having nothing to do with Nixon's administration, that we won the Vietnam War, and that the 2003 Iraq War was justified? As you say, "it's that simple" to believe all of those lies.

Polybius

(15,428 posts)
46. From what I've seen and read, others have said he wasn't that good of a shooter
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:02 AM
Dec 2021

I saw one ex-soldier try to reenact it (it was a moving, elevated watermelon to simulate a head in a car) from a building out a window and he said the shot was pretty difficult. Took him several tries, and he didn't have any element of surprise.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
66. Firing on a moving vehicle, with 50 year old bolt action rifle, with a misaligned scope?
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 04:57 PM
Dec 2021

With a tree partially blocking the view? Strains all credibility IMHO.

I also understood that the sharpshooter grade was the lowest passing accuracy in the Marines at that time.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
68. 3 grades
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 05:07 PM
Dec 2021

Marksman, Sharpshooter, Expert

One shot apparently missed the presidential limousine entirely, another struck both Kennedy and Connally, and a third bullet struck Kennedy in the head, so the head shot sounds like a lucky hit for him. (not so much for JFK of course)

But 83 meters is not very far for a trained rifleman, those WWI/WWII era rifles were designed to hit targets up to 500m away.
During his Marine Corps service in 1956, Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle. And that's with no scope.

MerryHolidays

(7,715 posts)
70. From Oswald's Wikipedia page...his last rank 4 years before the assassination was lowest possible
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 06:29 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Fri Dec 17, 2021, 03:57 AM - Edit history (2)

Like all marines, Oswald was trained and tested in shooting. In December 1956, he scored 212, which was slightly above the requirements for the designation of sharpshooter. In May 1959 he scored 191, which reduced his rating to marksman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Harvey_Oswald



In addition, I'm no gun expert, but isn't there a huge difference between a semi-automatic and a bolt-action rifle? I'm especially focusing on the very few seconds Oswald had to get off three shots from the Mannlicher-Carcano bolt-action rifle. And he was trying to hit a moving target with an oak tree in the view.

Plus, as mentioned before, he had a completely clear shot when the motorcade was on Houston Street. Why would a trained Marine sharpshooter, who was then demoted to marksmen, four years before the assassination, take such a shot, which was also very angled? He had a much easier chance on Houston Street.

Makes no sense, but then the lone gunman folks will say Oswald was "insane" to explain these commonsense issues away....

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
82. It's not "clear" at all..
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:47 PM
Dec 2021

It was "agreed upon" by the Warren Commission -- "conspiracy theorists" my ass.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
34. Will not change that
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 09:25 PM
Dec 2021

But like any investigation - they cast their nets wide and went into areas which probably did have some interesting things which is what they are keeping hidden.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
51. That isn't a fact..
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:11 AM
Dec 2021

It's an assertion..One that was, and continues to be held in considerable doubt.

DownriverDem

(6,229 posts)
14. CIA Related
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 03:59 PM
Dec 2021

The CIA had him assassinated. JFK wanted to acknowledge that Roswell really happened and we were reverse engineering the space craft. The majestic 12 started during Truman didn't want that to come out. The one who really knows is dead too. George HW Bush who was head of the CIA.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
16. I don't think the CIA,
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 04:29 PM
Dec 2021

the FBI, the Mafia or any other oganized entity was involved. If any of them were, Oswald would have had a much better rifle to work with, and it would have been much harder to trace the origin of the rifle and who purchased it. The rifle he had was a piece of junk, but with some luck, good enough to get the job done.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
22. I never thought that particularly looked like Bush
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 05:50 PM
Dec 2021

It could be anyone and the hairline doesn't particularly match.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
79. That could just be a facial expression.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:20 AM
Dec 2021

Chins are very movable. What is really telling is the ears are identical. I've never seen this version of the picture, but that's the same person, or a good fabrication.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
19. GHWB was appointed head of the CIA by President Gerald Ford in 1976
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 05:28 PM
Dec 2021

The question is when he began as an operative, or did he become an operative 15-20+ years beforehand.

vanlassie

(5,675 posts)
24. What got me was how GHWB claimed he "couldn't remember" where he was that day.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 06:14 PM
Dec 2021

I was 11 and I remember where I was for fuck sakes.

DickKessler

(364 posts)
29. I think he said at some point that he was in Tyler, Texas giving speeches for his US Senate campaign
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 06:51 PM
Dec 2021

He was traveling a lot in those days. But if not, maybe he genuinely doesn't remember exactly where he was? I dunno!

Furthermore, both father and son George Bush are known for being excellent at remembering names and faces but terrible at remembering facts and dates. Dyslexia or something similar probably runs in the family - GHWB's third son (after Dubya and Jeb!) Neil Bush (the one who has gotten in serious legal trouble multiple times) was actually diagnosed with severe dyslexia as a child. Perhaps there's something going on there? Again, I dunno.

Both 41 and especially 43 were notorious for mangling the English language ("Bushisms" ). Perhaps they've likewise had issues with certain aspects of their memories, in addition to the lying, dissembling, half-truths, and pathological secrecy that comes with being a Bush.

Maybe GHWB was involved in some sort of covert op on behalf of the CIA or whomever on 11/22/1963 that's super-classified but had nothing to do with the JFK assassination. Again, who knows?

El Supremo

(20,365 posts)
35. Zactly!
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 09:49 PM
Dec 2021

I was 12 and in a school 10 miles away. My father was piloting a commercial flight from Houston to Love Field and had to delay his landing until Air Force One departed.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
37. I was 10 and remember. I havea friend who was 5 and she remember
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 10:03 PM
Dec 2021

She was home sick from kindergarten & her mom had put their small TV in her bedroom to keep her occupied. Friend recalls going out to the kitchen to complain to her mother that her show kept being interruped while "the guy" talked about the president being shot. What made it memorable was that her mom nearly knocked her over getting to the bedroom to check what was happening....and bursting into tears when she saw it.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
48. I was 4
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 01:46 AM
Dec 2021

And I remember where I was when I heard about the assassination. It was probably the next day. I was at my grandma’s house. She was reading the newspaper and crying. I asked her why she was crying and she told me President Kennedy had been shot.

Slammer

(714 posts)
27. JFK "assassination"
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 06:34 PM
Dec 2021

That's not what happened at all.

The event was an operation so that JFK could fake his death and run off with Marylin Monroe (who had faked her own death the previous year).

Johnson was in on it since he was to run the coverup and as a bonus would get to be president.

However, Johnson was worried that the fake-out would be discovered and double-crossed JFK, having both him and Monroe killed.

JFK and Monroe's bodies were originally moved and hidden to close to LBJ's childhood home in south Texas. But they were moved back to the Dallas area in 1964 and were deposited under what would shortly afterward become the lakebed of Lake Ray Hubbard.

Slammer

(714 posts)
67. /s
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 05:04 PM
Dec 2021

That was a plotline and beginning research for a book I considered writing 20 years ago.

Sort of an alternative history thriller.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
43. Bush wasn't the director of the CIA until 1976 . . .
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 12:48 AM
Dec 2021

He served in that post for one year, from January 30, 1976, to January 20, 1977. There is some evidence -- it is not conclusive -- that he may have worked for the agency in some capacity in 1963, but he certainly wasn't head of the agency!

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
52. No, but he was a congressman, and according to Jeff Sharlet,
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 08:22 AM
Dec 2021

author of "The Family", the only adult at that time, who claims to "not remember" where he was that day.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
54. Those insiders like to show off
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 09:34 AM
Dec 2021

by trolling those with serious concern - remember how the Gingrich conservatives mocked Hillary about right wing conspiracies.

Also, the Nixon war waged against John Lennon came to my mind when immediately after Obama's 1st inauguration address, when Pat Buchanon was asked to comment, he laughed and exclaimed 'He sounded like John Lennon!'. I was pissed. Up to that point I was always almost completely convinced his killer acted alone despite Yoko's and Sean's insistent claims of CIA responsibility.

I agree with you - GHWB's refusal to even humor any crappy answer is worth noting.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
72. He wasn't a Congressman until 1967 . . .
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 03:45 PM
Dec 2021

. . . when he served two terms, from 1967 to 1971. So all you are left with is his claim that he didn't remember where he was on November 22, 1963 and a fuzzy black and white photograph that may or may not have been him, and neither of which, taken either alone or together, proves anything..

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
73. My bad..He was in Congress early enough to vote against Medicare,
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 06:27 PM
Dec 2021

labeling it "socialism".

As for the rest, you can argue with Jeff Sharlet, as I'm not necessarily "making a case" against Poppy.

That said, anyone of age in 1963, not to mention a politically connected Texan, who claims to "not reremember" where they were when Kennedy was killed, is full of shit. Researchers have found that children as young as 3 years old recall where they were when they heard of the assassination.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
80. Medicare was signed into law in 1965 . . .
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 06:04 PM
Dec 2021

. . . Two years before Bush was elected to Congress. He may indeed have called it "socialism," but he didn't vote against it in Congress.

Look, I'm not really interested in defending Poppy Bush. But the suggestion that he is implicated in the JFK assassination is weak and speculative at best. And your other assertions are just factually wrong.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
81. Um, and when he ran for the Senate in 1964, he attacked Medicare
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 07:32 PM
Dec 2021

as "socialism".

https://cwa-union.org/news/entry/social_security_communist_plot_medicare_called_government_takeover

"Look, I'm not really interested in defending Poppy Bush"

Really? You seem to be spending a lot of energy doing just that, but if you want to continue claiming an argument as "weak" you'll need to actually familiarize yourself with it.. As I suggested in my last post, argue with Jeff Sharlet

As to my "other assertions" being "just factually wrong",
I'm sorry, dear, but you'll neef to be a bit more specific".

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #14)

brooklynite

(94,596 posts)
17. Waiting for the cover-up allegations...
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 04:38 PM
Dec 2021

...any conspiracy theory that isn't supported by the evidence will be because "they" withheld the REAL documents.....

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
26. Mark this date down in your calendar: March 27, 2094
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 06:27 PM
Dec 2021

That's the date that the fully unredacted Mueller Report, along with other corroborating evidence, will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump stole the 2016 election with the help of the Russians and that the National Republican Party was fully aware and conspired accordingly.

Well, unless the fascists take over and truth will forever be papered over.

Cherokee100

(266 posts)
40. How did
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 11:49 PM
Dec 2021

How did a known defector to Russia (the FBI had a file on him) just happen to end up working, in a building on the motor cade route in Dallas? No one has ever answered that question.

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

greatbaldeagle

(157 posts)
58. James Files' confession as the shooter is quite compelling
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:34 AM
Dec 2021

There just seem to be far too many elaborate details for him to be completely making it all up.

Here's his prison confession. He talks about the "Fireball" gun he used at about 42:40. He starts talking about the moments leading up to the shooting at about 54:00 and firing the fatal shot at about 57:00.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
59. I didn't know the number 1,500 equates to "thousands"
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 11:36 AM
Dec 2021

I'm sure there are thousands, and I'm really happy to read that 1,500 classified docs are being made public.

I'm wondering if msm.com inadvertantly left out a few zeros?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
65. I believe LHO acted alone.
Thu Dec 16, 2021, 03:12 PM
Dec 2021

I used to be a gun nut, before I changed. (Sandy Hook changed me) .

I remember all the data about guns and ballistics.

When I moved to DFW in 1989. the first I did was go to Dealy Plaza and the Sixth Floor museum. BTW, Dealy is much smaller in reality.

I stood on the 6th floor next to the window he fired from. My reaction was "This was an easy shot'". In seconds all my years of conspiracy beliefs went right down the toilet.

There WAS a conspiracy by TPTB after the fact to cover up their mistakes of not taking LHO much more seriously.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
76. I visited that musem a few years ago and I
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 12:45 AM
Dec 2021

thought the very same thing. Something else I noticed was he actually had a better shot as the car came towards the building before turning left. A target moving at you slowing to make the turn is an easier shot than a car going away from you and about to accelerate. I wondered two things. One was did he almost lose his nerve and decide not to do it? The other thing is did he have trouble jacking the first round into the chamber of the piece of junk rifle he had? That's not uncommon with bolt action rifles.

Speaking of the rifle, If Oswald had the CIA, Russian Government or the Mafia behind him, he would have had a much better rifle. I agree he was a lone actor, and one on a small budget.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
78. The Zapruder film shows that the kill shot jerked the head back not forward.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 01:09 AM
Dec 2021

No one needed worry about Oswald's rifle if the real shooter was elsewhere. According to the Warren Commission Oswald was seen using the a vending machine in the building he worked in after the assassination. Not exactly what you would expect of someone who had just shot a president.

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