Manchin says he will not vote for Build Back Better: 'This is a no'

[demmiblue]

Source: The Hill

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced on "Fox News Sunday" that he will not vote for President Biden's "mammoth" climate and social spending bill, essentially killing the White House's top legislative priority.

"I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation, I just can't. I tried everything humanly possible, I can't get there" he told host Bret Baier.

"You're done - this is a no," Baier said.

"This is a no, on this legislation," Manchin responded. "I have tried everything I know to do," he said, closing the door on Democratic hopes that he might be persuaded to change his mind.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/586450-manchin-says-he-will-not-vote-for-build-back-better-this-is-a-no

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[Alien Life Form]

1. What a surprise! /s

Biden needs to get tough in the next election.. Be more like FDR..

[Alexander Of Assyria]

43. Bit sensationalist cause it's THIS piece of law he can not vote for, but The Hills work

is done I see.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

45. Bit sensationalist cause it's THIS piece of law he can not vote for, but The Hills work

is done I see.

Plenty of time yet for arm twisting an cajoling and changing the naughty bits for the vote.

Same wringing of hands before another recently passed bill if memory serves?

[SheltieLover]

2. Dems should rework bill & include hefty stimulus check

See how much his constituents pressure him then.

[samplegirl]

7. Yes they should!

I can’t stand even looking at him.

[OneCrazyDiamond]

39. Universal income. n/t

[yaesu]

42. Yes, even better. nt

[SheltieLover]

124. Great idea

But would likely never pass senate.

But a nice stim check for seniors would be great.

Get the qpukes on record refusing to help seniors at the very least.

[OneCrazyDiamond]

154. Truly amazing isn't it.

It's an election senior stimulus might pass. Childcare...no way.

[yaesu]

41. Spot on! Especially those on fixed income who are getting murdered by high inflation. nt

[disndat]

3. Manchin, the

Grinch who stole our Christmas.

[mpcamb]

79. I think he's trying to get kicked out of the Democratic Party.

I think it's an exit strategy.

He's clearly more at home with being a rich, selfish fat cat.
And he'll get to play the victim when no one can stand it any longer.

[Midnight Writer]

4. He goes on FOX News to announce this?

[Ray Bruns]

9. Of course he does. That is where republicans go for there fluff interviews

Breaking news, Manchin wasn't ever going to vote for the bill in the first place.

[George II]

16. He's not the only Democrat who appears on Fox News.

[NurseJackie]

27. I wonder if he's ever written an editorial for Fox News.

[Fiendish Thingy]

49. He's the only Democrat to co-sponsor a bill attacking Biden directly re: vaccine mandates. Nt

[NurseJackie]

57. Fortunately he hasn't expressed any opinions recommending that Biden should be primaried.

co-sponsor a bill attacking Biden

Attacking Biden? Fortunately he hasn't expressed any opinions recommending that Biden should be primaried... now THAT would be an attack.

[Fiendish Thingy]

66. In one's role as a Dem legislator, sponsoring a bill against the president's agenda IS an attack.

But, you know, he didn’t actually vote against BBB, so I guess you can still find ways to defend him as a loyal Democrat, even though the bulk of Biden’s legislative agenda is now dead because of him.

Which Dem legislator is calling for Biden to be primaried?

[NurseJackie]

70. That's not what I said.

Which Dem legislator is calling for Biden to be primaried?

That's not what I said... is it? But similar treacherously disloyal kneecapping events have happened in the past... I'm certainly glad it's not happening again now.

[Fiendish Thingy]

82. Hmm, I'd rather have Manchin call for Biden to be primaried but vote yes on BBB

That seems like a better trade off than what we have now.

[NurseJackie]

84. Yawn. So you hate Biden too? (Just stop.)

[Fiendish Thingy]

101. I support Biden's agenda more than you support Joe Manchin. Nt

[NurseJackie]

103. I don't "support" Joe Manchin. What a ridiculous thing to say. 🤣😂🙄

What I am doing, however, is pointing out that the attacks on a Democrat serve no good purpose. I'm also pointing out the reality that we should thank our lucky stars that Joe Manchin actually IS a Democrat, because the person who replaces him (whenever that may be... sooner or later) will be an actual Republican who caucuses with the GOP and who gives control of the Senate back to Mitch McConnell.

Another thing that continues to puzzle me is why it is that those who claim to support Biden are so active in promoting anti-Biden (and anti-Democrat) messaging. And if not actively engaging it it, I see many who eagerly defend those who do. No opportunity is missed when it comes to taking another heaping dump on Biden, his cabinet, and his administration. He's not a magician. He's not a king. Those who believe otherwise are just being absurd.

[Fiendish Thingy]

142. I wonder if the poor children of WV thank their lucky stars that Manchin is a Democrat

Or do they just cry themselves to sleep because they went to bed without dinner?

I wonder if the coal miners with black lung thank their lucky stars that Manchin is a Democrat, even though they will lose the black lung treatment funding that was in the BBB?

[NurseJackie]

145. I'm sure they do.

It would be even worst with the GOP in charge of the Senate. Count your blessings.

"...cry themselves to sleep... " Oh brother.

[Fiendish Thingy]

147. It must be soothing to be able to laugh at the suffering of others in the name of party loyalty. Nt

[NurseJackie]

148. That's not what I'm laughing at...

[Polybius]

120. Give him time

It's only 2021.

[George II]

118. I don't think he co-sponsored such a bill.

[Fiendish Thingy]

128. You need to take a break from your Manchin fan club meetings and get out in the real world

He sure as hell co-sponsored and voted for the anti-Biden, anti-vaccine mandate:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/10/joe-biden-vaccine-mandates-democrats

[NewHendoLib]

5. fucking asshole. n/t

[samsingh]

37. yes - he may be the cause of the fall of democracy unless we win more seats in the midterm

[femmedem]

6. What horrible news.

I was naive enough to think they would come up with something he'd support.

We could have alleviated so much suffering. And the ripple effects will be hard to overcome in November.

I know West Virginia leans heavily red but I find it unlikely that West Virginians don't support the help BBB would have brought.

[Oliver Bolliver Butt]

8. For an extra $20B, could send $10k to everyone in WV

[AZSkiffyGeek]

22. So we wouldn't have anything?

Sound thinking there. Worked out so well.

[NurseJackie]

58. No it wasn't.

[Frustratedlady]

11. A full belly and warm bed at night can take the edge off generosity for others.

Aren't both Manchin and Sinema pretty comfortable?

I've lost respect for both a long time ago. Enjoying so much attention becomes a problem for those not accustomed to it and these both seem to be in that class.

[True Dough]

12. This Joe Manchin?

Why would he need anything built back better? And it's all about him, don't you know?

[not fooled]

44. That he drove to in his Maserati

Bought and paid for by being a greedy sociopath.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. Disingenuous perfectionist

or bipartisan hedge? Dems made major concessions to move him. No dice. It says something but I still cannot interpret it.

[The Wizard]

15. Is he taking bribes from the RNC?

or Putin?

[Tommymac]

26. Big Energy DINO

He is in the pocket of the Koch family among others.

Sorry, imo he is no longer a Democrat, he is a DINO, and deserves every sling and arrow tossed his way.

Censor me if you will, but that is how I feel, and how a large numbers of other REAL Democrats feel.

Yes, it is a big tent, but he has stepped out the dor.

[nitpicker]

17. This confirmed what I thought

That he is a DINO.

[LiberalArkie]

38. He needs to removed from all committee assignments.

[onenote]

50. Good idea if you want Mitch McConnell to be majority leader

I’m sure he’d be happy to offer Manchin a plum committee assignment.

The situation we find ourselves in sucks. Making it worse by putting Moscow Mitch in position to prevent any more Biden nominees from getting confirmed (and the GOP in control of every committee) would be extraordinarily stupid.

[IronLionZion]

18. His constituents might like some roads and bridges and childcare and jobs

not sure why they still believe that causes inflation.

[Magoo48]

19. By contemporary definition, today's Republicans play confidence games. They are grifters.

Their constituents are their marks, and corporate America is their bank.

Since Manchin is a practicing Republican, regardless of his party affiliation, he is on the grift.
He plays coal-train long con and continues to increase his own wealth, while, voting regularly against poor, working people in his state.

Mostly he runs his game in the open air. Why?

There are no repercussions, so, why not?

[LymphocyteLover]

20. Unbelievably awful. So callously cruel and clueless about his privilege.

I mean he is no worse than any Republican, but still, just awful verging on evil.

The fucking planet is on fire.

[Nay]

159. "As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport."

We're just prey to them, honest to God. Evil bastards.

[LymphocyteLover]

160. Great quote! True if awful.

[Nay]

171. I always thought so. Good old Shakespeare comes through every time. nt

[Nay]

172. I always thought so. Good old Shakespeare comes through every time. nt

[LymphocyteLover]

176. I'm coincidentally reading "Hamlet" right now and it's amazing how many famous

expressions are in that masterwork play.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

21. Pay Pat Toomey to resign

Someone should offer Pat Toomey big bucks to resign now so a Democrat from PA can be appointed to the Senate. Then Manchin can go fuck himself.

[JustAnotherGen]

97. That's not a bad idea

[BradAllison]

162. How long before Joey Manch starts campaigning for JD Vance?

[rhiannon55]

23. How much f*cking arrogance does it take

For one man to decide that he knows better than 49 others and the President what's best for this country? I'm beginning to despise him every bit as much as I despise Moscow Mitch.

[Efilroft Sul]

24. Big-money interests know they can shop at Traitor Joe's for last-minute Christmas deals.

[Chicago1980]

25. He's a traitor and I expeced this.

[Lovie777]

28. I am not surprised . . ....

there will be a BBB passed next year tho.

[Fiendish Thingy]

48. How will BBB pass without Manchin's vote? he just sealed its fate. Nt

[FBaggins]

119. By giving him what he wants

Give up on trying to get more than he's willing to vote for and settle for what he is willing to vote for.

It sounds like that's closer to half of what is currently in the bill.

[Fiendish Thingy]

129. Todays statement seems to preclude any agreement.

If, somehow, Manchin agrees to a $750 billion-over-10-years BBB, I wouldn’t blame the CPC for rejecting it out of hand.

[FBaggins]

131. We may never know

If, somehow, Manchin agrees to a $750 billion-over-10-years BBB

Not $750B. A full $1.5-$1.75 trillion... just half of the desired programs, but for the full ten years.

I wouldn’t blame the CPC for rejecting it out of hand.

Which just proves my point. They clearly would prefer nothing at all to getting half a loaf. And we may be stuck with that... but it will be because of more than one group that was unwilling to compromise.

[Fiendish Thingy]

136. I think Manchin has pivoted 180 degrees from even 2 days ago

A full $1.5-$1.75 trillion... just half of the desired programs, but for the full ten years.

That ship seems to have sailed- that position, leaked from meetings with the WH earlier this week, seems null and void with Manchin’s pronouncement today.

The child tax credit alone would take up $1.6 trillion to fund for 10 years.

That would mean zeroing out universal pre-k, paid leave, and climate spending, $35 insulin, Medicare expansion, Obamacare protections, along with a ton of other important stuff.

So not half a loaf, just crumbs, would be the result of Manchin’s earlier position.

[FBaggins]

137. I think it's time to accept that you've been misreading him for months

Support for making it "more painful" for senators to filibuster never meant supporting a "nuclear" option to force it. He never supported a "carve out" (let alone an outright end to the filibuster for legislation). And he appears to have really meant what he said in July about BBB.

That ship seems to have sailed- that position, leaked from meetings with the WH earlier this week, seems null and void with Manchin’s pronouncement today.

I don't see anything in his comments today that says that he wouldn't settle for what he's said all along that he'll settle for. All that's new is that it's clear that he's tired of saying "this is the farthest I'll go" and then having it spun as the new starting point for another round of adding back in things that he's already rejected. He's done this multiple times in the last few months (e.g. "how about zero?" )

The child tax credit alone would take up $1.6 trillion to fund for 10 years.

Not if it was limited by the income/work requirements that he's talked about.

That would mean zeroing out universal pre-k, paid leave, and climate spending

I think he made clear months ago that there wasn't room for the child tax credit and child care and paid leave. "Pick one" was pretty clear (2-3 months ago even if you ignore that it was implicit in his other comments). It could also mean picking more of the smaller pieces of the puzzle.

$1.75 trillion worth of "crumbs" is dramatically better than where Sanders appears to be pushing us (the pit of zero). We can go back and get the rest with a larger majority. Passing nothing at all means some very eloquent objections while we're in the minority.

[Fiendish Thingy]

139. Apparently the WH has been misreading him all these months as well

Since the WH statement today accused Manchin of reversing himself, again, from previously held positions, and came within an inch of calling him a liar.

[jalan48]

29. All that time wasted on political theater. Is it any wonder millions of eligible voters don't bother

to vote?

[cilla4progress]

32. Yes...

the critical time lost!

[George II]

175. Hm, political theater. Now where have I seen that before?

[LudwigPastorius]

30. Asshole!

Fuck him

[BlueJac]

31. Humanly possible?

What a fucking joke he is! He does not act human so why listen to anything he says. Go back to WV and try to humanly explain your position on not giving a fuck about them at al!

[infullview]

34. President Manchin

[Raven123]

35. His "No" is not news. His wasting valuable legislative time is news.

Time to ignore ManCinema and work on the next election

[Lonestarblue]

36. All Democrats need renewed energy from this to elect more Democrats in 2022.

The House will be tough, the Senate only less so, but we need to make Manchin and Sinema immaterial. Neither supports the Democratic agenda.

[yaesu]

40. AP just reported on it also

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin said Sunday he cannot back his party’s signature $2 trillion social and environment bill, dealing a potentially fatal blow to President Joe Biden’s leading domestic initiative heading into an election year when Democrats’ narrow hold on Congress was already in peril.

Manchin told “Fox News Sunday” that he always has made clear he had reservations about the legislation and that now, after five-and-half months of discussions and negotiations, “I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation.”





Give them Xmas recess and this is what you get, great job Senate leadership!!!!!

[Peregrine Took]

46. Bernie is right -call a vote and make him do his thumbs down

in front of the whole country.

[True Blue American]

64. Agree!

[Fiendish Thingy]

47. This outcome was certain once the BIF was passed separately.

And so, children will suffer, and the planet will continue to deteriorate until at least 2025, and if voting rights doesn’t pass, for the foreseeable future.

But, at least we’ll have lots of new roads and bridges, right?

[NurseJackie]

59. Better than nothing.

But, at least we’ll have lots of new roads and bridges, right?

Better than nothing. Something is ALWAYS more than nothing. Count your blessings.

[Fiendish Thingy]

68. Fossil fuel supporters will get something, poor children get NOTHING. Nt

[NurseJackie]

72. You can't have everything. That's the nature of politics.

We do our best and then try to build on our successes. We can't win every round. But at least we win some of them.

[LogicFirst]

51. Prediction:

Manchin v. Biden in the primary
Manchin v. Trump in the general
We will then have a republican in the WH

[onenote]

53. So you think manchin is more popular among Democrats than Biden

Not the case on my planet

[NurseJackie]

60. Ridiculous.

[ShazzieB]

155. Are you kidding me?

Fuck, no. No way is that going to happen.

The idea of him winning the Democratic primary (even if he decided to run, which I really don't see happening) is ludicrous. The people who vote in that primary are Democrats, most of whom regard him as a Dino at best. Manchin has a good deal going as a senator. Why would he want to risk making a fool of himself trying to beat out a REAL Democrat for the nomination when he can stay where he is and keep on getting richer and richer?

Nope, not gonna happen.

[LogicFirst]

52. Prediction:

Manchin v. Biden in the primary
Manchin v. Trump in the general
We will then have a republican in the WH

[onenote]

54. Repeating it doesn't make it any more logical.

[YoshidaYui]

55. fuck you Joe Manchin

You have always been a Republican asshole.

[NurseJackie]

63. No, he's a Democrat. If he were a Republican, then Mitch McConnell would be majority leader.

Count your blessings.

[YoshidaYui]

65. FUCK HIM anyway

He has no business being in the Democratic party.

[NurseJackie]

74. That's a very short-sighted view.

He's a Democrat. Count your blessings.

[YoshidaYui]

83. he can go

fuck himself!

[NurseJackie]

85. I'm truly thankful that he's a Democrat.

God Bless Joe Manchin. (Count your blessings.)

[YoshidaYui]

87. He sure doesn't act like a Democrat

There is no excuse to vote no on BUILD BACK BETTER. It will only benefit the people of his state, but I guess he can't see that. I am glad I don't live in West Virginia! i wonder if the people in West Virginia are counting their blessings (What ever the fuck that is??) Seems to me they aren't getting shit.

[NurseJackie]

88. We should count our blessings (ie: be thankful for) the fact that he's a Democrat.

If he were a Republican, then Mitch McConnell would be in charge and the Republicans would be in charge of committees and he'd be deciding what does and does not get voted on.

This hate serves no good purpose. The name-calling is juvenile. The temper tantrums accomplish nothing positive. Whether people like it or not, he's a Democrat. He's not a traitor. He's not a Republican.

It's pure fantasy that anyone believes that West Virginia will elect a "New England style" politician. Manchin is as good as we're going to get from that state. If he resigned (or expired) tomorrow, WV would elect a Republican and that would throw everything to McConnell. Is that what you want?

Better to focus on trying to flip GOP seats instead of voluntarily giving-up one of our own DEMOCRATIC seats.

[YoshidaYui]

91. He acts more like a Republican than as a Democrat and is not a team player...

IF Biden doesn't get this passed , the people of the state will vote for a Republican President next time -- We don't need a President Trump or a President Greg Abbott or a President Ron DeSantis-- THERE will never be a democracy if they get into office.

[NurseJackie]

92. He's a conservative Democrat from West Virginia. Instead of attacking one of our own...

... the energy could be put to more productive ends (such as flipping GOP seats.) Right now we have a 50/50 "majority" in the Senate. If Manchin goes away... or if he's harassed into switching parties (or becoming an "independent" who caucuses with the GOP) then it will give us a TWO VOTE deficit. 49-51.

Obsessing over Manchin serves no good purpose at all. People should behave in a more mature way.

[YoshidaYui]

96. don't care....

And I have the right to attack a Democrat if he acts like a Republican.

[NurseJackie]

98. Clearly.

don't care....

Clearly.

And I have the right to attack a Democrat if he acts like a Republican.

What does it accomplish? Anything?

Enjoy the tantrum.

[SunImp]

106. What does attacking Susan Sarandon accomplish?

Enjoy YOUR Tantrums

[NurseJackie]

110. See: 109.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142842418#post109

[YoshidaYui]

114. oh yeah

I have no power here. No one here does. Think about it. We come here to discuss what's going on in Politics but we have NO POWER
to influence any of our representatives. No one from our Democratic Party leaders will ever log on to Democratic Underground to see what we think. Its RARE if it even happens. SO yes we are all blowing off steam here .. and it WON'T EFFECT a single ATOM of influence on our Representative or Law Makers. I am pretty sure people like Bernie Sanders will never log on to DU to see what we have to say.. even if what we say might even be productive.

[NurseJackie]

115. Don't fool yourself. The idea of reinforcing and repeating negativity is not power...

... not in any positive sense of the word. But when people fixate on doing things such as falsely calling Democrats things like "COASTAL ELITES". It certainly doesn't help to motivate Democrats to come out and vote when they hear nothing but negativity and smears coming from certain individuals and "activists".

I think if we can get our "allies" to stop comparing Biden to a BOWL OF SHIT;

-- and to stop saying that Democrats are "the party of the one-percent";
-- and to stop saying that Democrats are "corrupt";
-- and to stop saying that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt";
-- and to stop saying that Democrats are "no different than Republicans";
-- and to stop saying that Democrats are "feeble";
-- and to stop saying that Democrats are "war-hawks";
-- and to stop saying that Democrats "don't care about the middle class";
-- and to stop saying that Democrats "don't care about climate change";
-- and to stop creating "third parties" that siphon-off votes and sabotage elections;
-- and to stop encouraging voters to abandon Democrats by voting third-party;
-- and to stop making excuses for those voters who DO vote third-party; etc-etc-etc...

well... that would be a good start in getting MORE voters to support Democrats. All I'm trying to say is that type of nonsense needs to stop, and when people call-out those lies and refute that type of negativity they shouldn't be harassed for doing so either.

The lies and smears and attacks only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[Nay]

173. Thank you, Yoshida. You are correct. We are a bunch of people on a discussion board

and we are allowed to be upset with what's going on, no matter what it is, because nobody, literally nobody, listens to us or gives a damn what we say. The idea that we cannot be upset with our Democratic representatives because it will produce "negativity" in the atmosphere is ridiculous.

You know what's producing negativity? The inability or unwillingness of the Democratic leaders to get out there and talk, act, and present themselves as powerful people with a strong purpose and a distinct message.

[SunImp]

105. "Obsessing over Manchin serves no good purpose at all. People should behave in a more mature way."

That's funny coming from a poster who constantly complains about Susan Sarandon and uses gifs/smileys to mock other DUers.

[NurseJackie]

109. Oh, please. Spare me. Susan Sarandon is not a Democrat...

That's funny coming from a poster who constantly complains about Susan Sarandon

Oh, please. Spare me. Susan Sarandon is not a Democrat (you do remember she voted for Nader and Stein and wouldn't support Biden over Trump). She deserves to be ridiculed, not protected, not defended. But... whatever. You do you.

uses gifs/smileys to mock other DUers.

Ridiculous.

[George II]

127. Unless I missed it, YOU are the first to introduce Sarandon into this long discussion. Correct?

[BradAllison]

163. Do you support BBB in full, Jackie?

Time to answer.

[NurseJackie]

164. 😂🤣😂🤣

Do you support BBB in full, Jackie?

What a silly question.

Time to answer.

[BradAllison]

165. Just as I thought n/m

[NurseJackie]

166. What do you think?

Just as I thought n/m

What do you think? (Time to answer.)

[George II]

123. Manchin is in a D-38.9 seat. He doesn't have the luxury of being in a D+35.4 seat.

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[BradAllison]

167. He's also not up for election for three more years.

And imagine, he'd rather vote no than pass a good bill that could save this fucking nation.

You do think it's good bill, right George? You'd don't ACTUALLY believe West Virginia Joe is right that this NOT a good bill, right George???

[George II]

177. What do you think? What do you believe? Who are you to interrogate me?

[Stargleamer]

125. What blessing?

He’s doing what he can, along with Sinema, to block essential legislation thereby helping Republicans win in 2022. How can this be truthfully be considered a blessing?

[NurseJackie]

126. It's right there in the subject line of the message you were replying to...

What blessing?

It's right there in the subject line of the message you were replying to... If he were a Republican, then Mitch McConnell would be majority leader.

How can this be truthfully be considered a blessing?

So, are you telling me that NOT having Mitch McConnell in charge of the Senate isn't a blessing? Are you not grateful that we have a slim 50/50 "majority" in the Senate that keeps Mitch McConnell from setting the agenda?

Yes. I truthfully consider that to be a blessing. The alternative is unthinkable. Anyone who cannot see that (or pretends to not understand) is beyond my ability to convince them otherwise. That makes me sad.

But with all the wholesale shitting on Democrats (and Biden, and the Biden administration) that I'm seeing these days... that's going to go a long way in suppressing voter turnout and it will indeed give the GOP a chance to steal the election.

In any case, what I'm trying to say is that it certainly doesn't help to motivate Democrats to come out and vote when they hear nothing but negativity and smears coming from certain individuals and "activists". The smears and attacks only serve to create an atmosphere of negativity: Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[BradAllison]

168. Joe Manchin endorsed Susan Collins in a general election

I think sitting United States Senators endorsing someone from the other party does a lot more harm than people on a message board upset that your beloved Democratic Senator from West Virginia won't vote for Democratic policy.

Who's shitting on Biden again? I mean I know you never like to be wrong but you can admit Manchin is being disrespectful as much as anyone towards our President......right Jackie????

[NurseJackie]

169. Lulz.

your beloved Democratic Senator from West Virginia

Characterizations like that crack me up!

I mean I know you never like to be wrong

It's not about me.

[BradAllison]

170. I love that it cracks you up

Susan's not that baaaaaaad, is she Jackie?

[NurseJackie]

174. Fascinating.

I love that it cracks you up

If you say so, I guess I'll take that at face value. (But, truthfully I have my doubts.)

Susan's not that baaaaaaad, is she Jackie?

It's this for real? Am I on hidden camera? 🙄 I think my feelings about her are well-known. Beyond that, it's unclear to me what you're talking about or what the objective is here.

[miffelplix]

56. You mean the progressives were right not to trust Manchin

and insist on coupling the infrastructure bill and BBB?

[George II]

134. In all my years of following Congressional politics, I've never seen 2 completely different bills...

..."coupled".

That's just a rationalization for voting against the bipartisan infrastructure bill and voting against the best interests of their constituents.

[True Blue American]

62. Progressive Group

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Plans to replace Manchinand the Cororate machine that keeps him in office.

https://www.journal-news.net/journal-news/progressive-group-launches-replacejoemanchin-com/article_ca94786c-338d-5d4d-8655-036a6d7aa33d.html

[NurseJackie]

67. Really? They want to replace Joe Biden and the "coroate" machine keeping Biden in office?

Plans to replace Biden and the Cororate machine that keeps him in office.

Really? They want to replace Joe Biden and the "coroate" machine keeping Biden in office?

Stop.

[DLevine]

78. Manchin.

[True Blue American]

138. Ooops! Mistake.

Manchin!

[DLevine]

75. Manchin, not Biden. nt

[NurseJackie]

81. I suppose that was just a Freudian slip of the typing fingers...

... when the angst is strong enough, sometimes people forget who it is they're hating-on, eh?

[True Blue American]

140. I never hate on Biden.

Brain, fingers connection broke!

[muriel_volestrangler]

77. You mean "replace Manchin"

The difference is rather important.

[barbtries]

69. well.

with Democrats like this, who needs republicans.

#disgusted

[Jon King]

71. The progressives saw this coming a mile away.

They had no choice but to give Biden a win on infrastructure. But they absolutely knew this was coming.

[Jon King]

76. And he represents 0.5% of the US population.

We do not live in a democracy and never have. Its just that simple.

[honest.abe]

73. Damn shame.

It could have a been a huge benefit for all of America and one person killed it.

I really thought he was gong to come around eventually. I was wrong.

[llashram]

80. this person

I just don't understand. He's hurting us. I don't care if a red state elected him. He has no loyalty to our Party or the country. Just to those Republican puppet masters. I am so sick of his bullshit! If I am wrong for saying what I think about this Democrat here, so be it.

[Lasher]

86. He's wasted a whole legislative year.

I believe this was his intention all along. He's hoping WV Republicans will reelect him. I think he's wrong about that.

[Vinca]

89. I'm so over this guy and his bullshit. They pretty much give him everything he wants and

then he sets new criteria. Let's face it. He's a hair's breadth away from going full blown Repuke. At this point you can't even count on him as a number. He's just a giant blob of "no" who is collecting loot from big coal while destroying the agenda of the POTUS of his own party. Donate to all the senators who are up next year and all those running against Republicans. Somehow we've got to make Manchin irrelevant.

[Bayard]

90. I'm not even going to read his statement

I'm sure rethuglicans wrote it for him. This, from the guy who drives a Maserati, and lives on a yacht, to the poorest state in the country.

Obviously, we need to win more Senate seats next year to get anything passed. More in the House too. If it goes back to rethugs, the first thing they will do is try to impeach President Biden.

[LiberalFighter]

93. And considering that he goes on Fox.

[True Blue American]

141. Merry Christmas to The President

And Democrats huh?

[JustAnotherGen]

94. I don't want BBB

Unless the ban on offshore drilling is in it, the SALT Cap is lifted, child care expansion, and permanent child tax credit.

Now - lets shift to voting rights and have a stand and speak filibuster.

I want to know PRECISELY who is for Taxation Without Representation for the rising dominant culture.

[BlueIdaho]

95. A curse on him and his family

From this day until the end of time. May they know endless suffering.

[Jon King]

99. A guy from a state of 1.8 million total just put 3 million kids back into poverty.

Our system of government is so hopelessly broken.

[duforsure]

100. His antics will only drive a lot more Democrats to vote,

And cause the GOP to lose more in both the House and the Senate. I already knew he was a fraud.

[Polybius]

121. I strongly disagree

His antics will cause a Red Wave that makes 1994 and 2010 look like a bath tub.

[pecosbob]

102. Where are his apologists now?

crickets...

He's being disingenuous when he cites deficit worries...in other word he's lying. The fact that he's spewing false GOP talking points is all I need to hear.

[Glaisne]

104. FUCK YOU Joe Manchin!

May you catch COVID-19 and suffer! Damn you to hell you right-wing pos!

[Glaisne]

107. He was always going to do this

He was acting in bad faith from the beginning. He has sealed the fate of the Democrats in the mid-terms (not that they had much of a chance anyway) and will guarantee total Republican control of the country. Everyone on this thread should dedicate themselves to making his life miserable. Flood his office with emails, calls, letters, and protests, send money to a primary challenger. Make him pay. He should switch parties he is a DINO.

[NurseJackie]

132. "He should switch parties he is a DINO." -- Absurd. What a ridiculous thing to say.

He should switch parties he is a DINO.

Absurd. What a ridiculous thing to say. If he did that, then Mitch McConnell would be in charge of everything. Every bill that comes to the floor. Every committee. Every vote. Every judge.

Do yourself a favor and THINK about what you're saying and what that actually means in the REAL WORLD.

The notion of a "primary challenger" serves no good purpose. Any progressive Democrat who challenged him would lose. Any conservative Democrat who challenged him would 1) lose to him, but bloody-him just enough that the GOP would win instead.... or 2) would be no better, and it would just be wasted money.

Better that we focus our efforts elsewhere and FLIP a couple of GOP-held seats. It's just FOOLISH to voluntarily and willingly/eagerly give up a seat to the GOP out of spite and irrational hatred. Put this energy to some PROductive use, not DEstructive.

[Glaisne]

150. Really?

Which GOP held seats? I would really like to know. If the Dems are going to be flipping GOP seats they will likely have to be right-wing, blue dog, conservadem corporate democrats. So, not much of an improvement. We deserve better than more Manchins in congress. But I guess that's the situation we're in. BTW, McConnell is going to be in charge after November any. So why not go big now while we have the chance? Losing after getting your agenda done is better than losing by not getting your agenda. If we have to settle for more corporate dems, what's the point?

[NurseJackie]

152. Lulz.

[ShazzieB]

156. I agree that we are MUCH better off with McConnell NOT in charge of the Senate.

Those who think that does not matter need to refresh their memories about all the crap Mitch pulled when Obama was in office, from announcing to America that his number one priority keeping Obama from getting a second term to blocking Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland for the SCOTUS.

Fortunately, McConnell failed miserably at the first goal, but he managed to wreak plenty of other havoc, including but definitely not limited to blocking the Garland nomination, and he's dying to do it again if he ever gets the chance. As exasperated as a lot of us are with Manchin and Sinema, things would be immeasurably worse if Mitch was in control again. For that reason, I hope that if the GOP ever does get control of the Senate again, it'll won't be until after McConnell retires.

I understand why people are pissed off at Manchin. I'm royally pissed off at him myself, and I wouldn't trust him any farther than I could throw a Greyhound bus. But saying he should just change parties is lunacy, and we Democrats could do ourselves a huge disservice if we allow ourselves to lose sight of that.

I appreciate your continuing efforts to remind people of this and pledge to do the ame.

[bluestarone]

108. I'm as pissed at Joe as ANYBODY here, BUT

WE need to suck it up and find out what EXACTLY he wants. DO IT and MOVE ON! ( i know i know hate it but) THEN get the VOTING RIGHTS BILL passed! THIS is most important bill ever ever ever. Then just pray we gain enough seats in 22 that we don't need his fucking vote! WE just have to accept it and move forward!

[NurseJackie]

112. Exactly. Do as much as we can, as soon as we can... and come back to this later.

Politics always involves compromise. Nobody ever gets everything they want.

[bluestarone]

113. YES!

There will be another day!

[ShazzieB]

157. I absolutely agree!

[Justice matters.]

111. Someone must go to WV to take a thousand pictures of poor families

and send them to him. Better: Deliver them to him in person.

[duforsure]

116. Compromised?

An affair, or money? Favorite tactic of TFG.

[NurseJackie]

135. Nonsense. He is who he is.

[turbinetree]

117. We'll people on Medicare and who "need" life saving prescriptions prices lowered just got fucked,

and parents with kids needing the recently passed child tax credit just got fucked .... by a person that said this shit and going on a oligarchy platform that has lied to people day in and day out about vaccines, elections and whatever else comes to mind....just makes ones skin crawl ..... maybe he can get on his "boat" named "Almost Heaven" ....and name it I Got Mine Fuck You.....

"I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation, I just can't. I tried everything humanly possible, I can't get there" he told host Bret Baier.

"You're done - this is a no," Baier said.

"This is a no, on this legislation," Manchin responded. "I have tried everything I know to do," he said, closing the door on Democratic hopes that he might be persuaded to change his mind.

[Polybius]

122. That's it folks, there's no stopping the Red Wave of 2022 now

It was nice while it lasted.

[ShazzieB]

158. To quote the immortal Yogi Berra,

"It ain't over till it's over!"

P.S. It's barely even started yet.

[C Moon]

130. He's probably owned by Russian billionaires just like 99% of the GOP. nt

[Polybius]

133. White House issues damning statement against Manchin

In a remarkable statement attacking a member of Biden's own party, the White House said Manchin's comments were "at odds with his discussions this week with the President, with White House staff, and with his own public utterances." The statement gives what the White House claimed were details of Manchin's discussions with the President; something the administration has been reluctant to do.

"On Tuesday of this week, Senator Manchin came to the White House and submitted -- to the President, in person, directly -- a written outline for a Build Back Better bill that was the same size and scope as the President's framework, and covered many of the same priorities," White House press secretary Jen Psaki wrote in the statement. "While that framework was missing key priorities, we believed it could lead to a compromise acceptable to all."

According to Psaki, Manchin "promised to continue conversations in the days ahead, and to work with us to reach that common ground."

"If his comments on FOX and written statement indicate an end to that effort, they represent a sudden and inexplicable reversal in his position, and a breach of his commitments to the President and the Senator's colleagues in the House and Senate," Psaki said.

Psaki added: "Just as Senator Manchin reversed his position on Build Back Better this morning, we will continue to press him to see if he will reverse his position yet again, to honor his prior commitments and be true to his word," the statement reads.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/19/politics/joe-manchin-build-back-better/index.html

[True Blue American]

143. The fact Manchin

Went on Fox to make the announcement shows he was too cowardly to take real questions.

[Polybius]

144. And he ignored their calls in the hour leading up to the interview

I don't have a link, but I read it.

[Polybius]

146. Found it

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216162436

[Stuart G]

149. Manchin is up for reelection in 2024. He is sure he can get away with it.

That is if he runs for reelection. 3 years away. Perhaps he has decided against that run, so there will be.........
..............NO CONSEQUENCES TO HIS VOTE...I think he will be 77 years old then. Retirement on
a great pensin &...NO CONSEQUENCES AT ALL

[Politicub]

151. It's all about him. Disgusting.

He has cast his lot with the conservatives — and in a very loud and boisterous, offensive way.

[myohmy2]

153. well...

...how about that...

...have Merry Christmas and a Happy 2022 while you can...

...what a wonderful present under the turtle's tree this year...

...as a Progressive, I'm sure glad we've got control of the Senate...I'd sure hate to think what might have happened to our Climate Social BBB bill if the turtle and his pukes were in charge...having the Senate by the balls really paid off...

...manchin makes me so proud to be a Big-Tent Democrat where there's plenty of room for anyone or anything...

...I can't wait until November so I can rush right down to the polls as fast as I can to vote a straight Dem ticket so we can do this again...

...makes me so proud...

[Sparky 1]

178. What they're trying to hide

When it comes to giving more and more to the rich, which our so-called representatives have been doing for decades, you don't hear a peep out of these loudmouths. But let one dime go to the middle class or poor and it's waah waaah waaaah all the way.

What I don't hear anyone saying is take a look at the America the boomers were raised in with only dads needing to work, tremendous upward mobility, and strong manufacturing. Then compare that to the world today's kids are growing up in with both parents working and still falling behind, and you'll see what has been stolen from the middle class and the poor. All that Americans invented and built has been given away to countries that pay their workers starvation wages with virtually no protections, and pollute their lands in the name of pure unmitigated endless greed.

President Biden and the progressives have it right. All they're asking is the tiniest amount of re-balancing the scales between the rich and poor. Inequality isn't about jealousy. It's deeply destructive to the financial, physical, and social health of a nation. You can google what's wrong with inequality and learn it's responsible for a huge host of ills.