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BumRushDaShow

(129,229 posts)
Wed Jan 19, 2022, 10:06 PM Jan 2022

Senate Republicans block voting rights bill, dealing blow to Democrats' effort to overhaul election

Source: Washington Post

The year-long Democratic push for federal voting rights legislation neared a futile end Wednesday night, after Senate Republicans blocked an elections bill for the fifth time in six months and Democrats appeared unable to unite their caucus behind a plan to rewrite the Senate’s rules and pass it anyway. The final clash, which has been brewing since Democrats won congressional majorities a year ago as Republican legislatures in 19 states embarked on a campaign to roll back election access, began with an evening vote to close debate on a sprawling voting rights bill. That vote, at the Senate’s traditional 60-vote margin for legislation, failed on a 51-49 vote.

Democratic leaders now plan in the coming hours to execute a maneuver to change the rules and allow the filibuster to be broken with a simple majority vote. But Democrats, with a 50-50 majority secured by Vice President Harris’s tiebreaking vote, do not have the support to execute that plan. Two Democratic senators — Joe Manchin III (W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.) — have indicated they will not support any attempt to weaken the 60-vote rule, defending it as a tool to protect minority party rights and promote bipartisanship in American democracy.

Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and other top Democrats said they are determined to push forward with a floor confrontation regardless, even as it promised to expose bitter divisions inside their own party rather than amplify a GOP blockade that they have described as an existential threat to democracy.

“Shall American democracy in the 21st century be called a true heir to our Framers’ vision — a nation where the people choose their own leaders, forge their own destiny, and add to the great legacies of those who expanded the franchise before us?,” Schumer said Wednesday night. “Or shall we see American democracy backslide in our time, grow feeble in the jaws of its adversaries, and ultimately succumb to the cancer of voter suppression? The answer, in a large sense, could depend on how we move forward this evening.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-brace-for-likely-defeat-of-voting-rights-push-due-to-gop-filibuster/2022/01/19/2f9a734c-792d-11ec-bf97-6eac6f77fba2_story.html



Full headline: Senate Republicans block voting rights bill, dealing blow to Democrats’ effort to overhaul election laws

Edit to note the 51 - 49 was procedural (so the bill can be brought up again at a later date) -

After a Day of Debate, Voting Rights Bill Is Blocked in the Senate

By Carl Hulse
Jan. 19, 2022Updated 9:16 p.m. ET

(snip)

The final vote was 51 to 49, with Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, voting with opponents in a maneuver aimed at allowing the measure to be reconsidered later.

(snip)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/senate-voting-rights-filibuster.html
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Senate Republicans block voting rights bill, dealing blow to Democrats' effort to overhaul election (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 OP
Its not over till every availible attempt has been met. Budi Jan 2022 #1
Fuck them. underpants Jan 2022 #2
have they voted? Shellback Squid Jan 2022 #3
still worth it DonCoquixote Jan 2022 #4
Who made it 51 ? dweller Jan 2022 #5
My question, exactly.... Sogo Jan 2022 #6
I was wondering that too! Anyone? mchill Jan 2022 #7
Hmmmm! pazzyanne Jan 2022 #8
Sen Schumer switched his vote to no. 24601 Jan 2022 #9
Thanks dweller Jan 2022 #10
Yes (took digging to confirm) BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #11
Thank you! pazzyanne Jan 2022 #13
Schumer...see below... HUAJIAO Jan 2022 #15
The VP (nm) appmanga Jan 2022 #29
Someone should ask manchin..or sinema how long does it take you to vote? PortTack Jan 2022 #12
In case you couldn't do the math...Manchin and Sinema voted "yes" brooklynite Jan 2022 #14
Which of course is meaningless with the damned filibuster in place. groundloop Jan 2022 #16
I did hear Sinema project her voice ChazII Jan 2022 #17
The question is how do you end debate without 60 votes? ColinC Jan 2022 #18
They can "debate" for an unlimited amount of time BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #20
It sounds like the majority needs to almost outfillibuster the gop ColinC Jan 2022 #21
Well there has been much discussion about stopping the idiotic "60 vote cloture" Rule BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #24
So it was a cloture vote, not a vote on the rule change... Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #19
There were 2 votes - the cloture and the Rules change BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #22
Manchin and Sinema sold out Democracy. SunSeeker Jan 2022 #23
I know at Biden's presser, he repeatedly called out the GOP BumRushDaShow Jan 2022 #25
Yup. nt SunSeeker Jan 2022 #27
So the cloture vote gets the headlines, and the rule change is just an asterisk footnote. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #26
That was really a timing thing FBaggins Jan 2022 #28
Revised headline gives credit/blame where it is deserved. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #30
I watched GOP Senators shaking Sinema's hand after the vote tonekat Jan 2022 #31

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
4. still worth it
Wed Jan 19, 2022, 10:11 PM
Jan 2022

because if nothign else, it will show how craven they were, and how afraid of black or brown votes.

HUAJIAO

(2,395 posts)
15. Schumer...see below...
Wed Jan 19, 2022, 10:49 PM
Jan 2022

"The final vote was 51 to 49, with Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, voting with opponents in a maneuver aimed at allowing the measure to be reconsidered later."

PortTack

(32,785 posts)
12. Someone should ask manchin..or sinema how long does it take you to vote?
Wed Jan 19, 2022, 10:32 PM
Jan 2022

Would they be willing to drive possibly hours and then stand in for 6, 8, 10 hours to vote??!

Rigged system..bought and paid for by 2 of the worst!!

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
18. The question is how do you end debate without 60 votes?
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:06 AM
Jan 2022

Something is being said about waiting it out. What the heck does that even mean?

BumRushDaShow

(129,229 posts)
20. They can "debate" for an unlimited amount of time
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:16 AM
Jan 2022

but often they get tired and someone might move for a "unanimous consent" to end the debate and if no one objects, they are done.

There is sometimes certain legislation that gets debated with specific debate rules associated with it - for example when doing reconciliation, where the number of hours of debate is limited (I think to 20 hours).

ColinC

(8,304 posts)
21. It sounds like the majority needs to almost outfillibuster the gop
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:18 AM
Jan 2022

Will they basically bring it up as frequently as possible debating indefinitely until the minority gets tired and finally agrees to end it?

BumRushDaShow

(129,229 posts)
24. Well there has been much discussion about stopping the idiotic "60 vote cloture" Rule
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:33 AM
Jan 2022

and actually forcing people to go right to a debate - a "talking debate". The way it is now, they can skip the debate by only having 41 Senators agree to doing that.

Interestingly enough, one of the "masters" of doing a "talking debate" was Robert Byrd. He would do his history of Hannibal or some other Roman history thing, in an empty chamber, and could on for hours with such stories.

The filibuster is basically like they are in "morning business" and can talk about anything.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,644 posts)
19. So it was a cloture vote, not a vote on the rule change...
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:09 AM
Jan 2022

Sounds like Schumer backed out on going nuclear and forcing Manchin and Sinema to go on the record opposing voting rights.

…or perhaps the rule change vote will be tomorrow?

(I thought I heard Schumer say they would be voting Thursday, not today)

BumRushDaShow

(129,229 posts)
22. There were 2 votes - the cloture and the Rules change
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:24 AM
Jan 2022

Unfortunately most of the M$M ended up "updating" their earlier stories to tack on the 2nd vote (I had planned to do a 2nd LBN OP on the 2nd vote but wasn't finding a separate article for it but got the breaking news for that 2nd vote) -

Democrats Fail to Change Filibuster Rules as Republicans Block Action on Voting Rights


Jan. 19, 2022
Carl Hulse
5 hours ago

By Carl Hulse

(snip)

Democrats also fell short of the votes needed to unilaterally change Senate rules to override the blockade and allow the voting rights measure to pass with just 51 votes rather than 60. All Republicans opposed changing the rules, as did two Democrats, Senators Joe Manchin III of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona.

The effort to change the rules was defeated 52 to 48.

(snip)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/senate-voting-rights-filibuster.html


BumRushDaShow

(129,229 posts)
25. I know at Biden's presser, he repeatedly called out the GOP
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 01:36 AM
Jan 2022

asking "What are they 'for'??? " He also mentioned that there were 16 GOP members in the Senate who had told him privately that they were terrified of being primaried. Of course the media refuses to hold the GOP accountable for anything.

FBaggins

(26,754 posts)
28. That was really a timing thing
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 09:35 AM
Jan 2022

Republicans had blocked the bill from receiving an up or down vote - by denying cloture (with all Democrats voting for cloture except Schumer so that he could reopen it).

The rule change vote came after that and failed by the expected margins. Note the "Democratic leaders now plan in the coming hours to execute a maneuver to change the rules and allow the filibuster to be broken with a simple majority vote" - it hadn't happened yet (and thus is ok to miss in the title)

If you click the link in the OP, the new title and lead-in are:

Manchin, Sinema join with GOP in rejecting attempt to change filibuster rules, effectively killing Democratic voting bill

The year-long Democratic push for federal voting rights legislation died in the Senate on Wednesday night, after Republicans blocked an elections bill for the fifth time in six months and Democrats failed to unite their caucus behind a plan to rewrite the Senate’s rules and pass it anyway.

The final clash, which has been brewing since Democrats won congressional majorities a year ago as Republican legislatures in 19 states embarked on a campaign to roll back election access, began with an evening vote to close debate on a sprawling voting rights bill. That vote, at the Senate’s traditional 60-vote margin for legislation, failed on party lines.

Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) then moved to reconsider the legislation to propose a rules change allowing for the bill’s advancement with a simple majority of 51 votes. The Senate rejected that maneuver 52 to 48, with two Democrats, Joe Manchin III (W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.), joining all 50 Republicans in opposition.

tonekat

(1,816 posts)
31. I watched GOP Senators shaking Sinema's hand after the vote
Thu Jan 20, 2022, 12:48 PM
Jan 2022

It was like watching a member of one's own family helping the burglars rob the house.

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