Cruz, other GOP senators oppose no-fly list for convicted unruly passengers

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Source: ABC News

A group of Republican senators sent a letter to the Justice Department on Tuesday to express "strong opposition" to creating a federal no-fly list for unruly passengers, claiming "the majority of recent infractions on airplanes has been in relation to the mask mandate."

Sens. Mike Lee of Utah, Marco Rubio and Rick Scott of Florida and Ted Cruz of Texas were among those who signed a letter opposing Delta Airlines' CEO Ed Bastian's, request earlier this month that the DOJ create a "no-fly" list for passengers convicted of federal offenses relating to on-board disruptions.

2021 saw a major spike in unruly passengers, with more than 5,981 reported cases, according to the FAA. The agency notes, of those cases, 4290 were mask-related.

"Creating a federal 'no-fly' list for unruly passengers who are skeptical of this mandate would seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland," the GOP senators' letter said. "The [Transportation Security Administration] was created in the wake of 9/11 to protect Americans from future horrific attacks, not to regulate human behavior onboard flights."

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-other-gop-senators-oppose-no-fly-list-for-convicted-unruly-passengers/ar-AATTUbf

---

Because the GOP believes in free dumb

[ananda]

1. Good grief! They really are mass-murder cult.

Soon it won't be safe to go anywhere.

[lagomorph777]

63. They really do oppose anything that makes any kind of sense.

They want to be seen as the craziest assholes on Earth.

[ananda]

72. They ARE the craziest assholes on Earth.

...

[lagomorph777]

73. Mission accomplished.

[TheBlackAdder]

2. They want to bring back smoking, cell phone use, swiss army knives and carry-on parachutes too. 🤣

[lagomorph777]

64. I think cell phones are allowed, now that airlines can make a profit on them.

I believe you have to sign up for the WiFi to use your phone.

[J_William_Ryan]

3. Unruly passengers vote Republican.

[StClone]

34. That is exactly right!

[mpcamb]

54. It's a good issue to press for Dems. It's popular, unruly passengers aren't.

[lagomorph777]

74. I would imagine even diehard Republican voters don't want to be hijacked or killed.

But i could be wrong.

[OldBaldy1701E]

55. I think that is the point.

They well know which demographic will make up the majority of that list. They know which side of the aisle is the one fueling these attacks on people who are just doing their jobs. They know how this will look. They also know that the tiger is now free and they cannot control their own base. They also know that this would mean a few of them would also be on the list.

CREATE THAT LIST!

[hvn_nbr_2]

4. "terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans"

Yep, that's about right.

[NQAS]

5. There should be a federal list

But in the absence of that, the airlines should create their own. And share it with other airlines.

[mpcamb]

56. A federal "No fly list" runs into due process issues. Private industry doesn't.

Your local shop can say "No shoes, No shirt No Service".
Federal rules and laws would require due process at some level.

[NQAS]

69. Private it is, then

What’s stopping them?

[NYC Liberal]

75. They want to ban people but not get any blame for it.

That way if these nuts try organize a boycott, the airlines can tell them to go protest the Gub'mint and not the company.

[Botany]

6. "They" want the chaos, the disease, the social unrest, and those pissed off white people who ...

....watch Fox and read that Russian crap on Facebook to be out there and stirring up shit to get
headlines a la the Canadian Truckers. That is their base.

[paleotn]

7. Add Cruz, Rubio, Lee and Scott to the list.

Make them drive back and forth to their home states.

[dchill]

9. You wouldn't believe how down with that I am!

SO DOWN!

[jaxexpat]

40. Only if it inconveniences my state's senators.

Okay then, it does. I'm downer with it than you.

[Ocelot II]

8. It doesn't matter *why* a passenger is disrupting a flight.

An ISIS terrorist who's attacking a flight attendant or trying to get into the flight deck or open a door is no more dangerous than an anti-mask douchenozzle who's attacking a flight attendant or trying to get into the flight deck or open a door. Both pose equal hazards to the flight crew and the passengers; their motives are irrelevant; and both deserve to be banned from flying on commercial airlines.

[area51]

59. +1 n/t

[MissMillie]

61. spot on (n/t)

.

[ificandream]

10. Repughlicans want their own society.

[bucolic_frolic]

11. "seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland"

Absolutely true. So what's the problem?

[LoisB]

12. Oh, how I hope the next flight any of them are on has to be diverted because of unruly

passengers.

[ificandream]

13. These idiots seem to forget they're trying to control a private business

[ificandream]

14. Can we make a no-Repughlican fly list?

[monkeyman1]

29. how about a no republican party ? think we can all agree on that ?

[sinkingfeeling]

15. Playing to the Tr***pian base.

[amcgrath]

16. This is the GOP now is it?

Dictating what private businesses do?

[amcgrath]

17. This is the GOP now is it?

Dictating what private businesses do?

[StClone]

38. It is a privilege not a right to air travel.

Any indication of being a threat to airline safety whatsoever and you are going to be grounded. Unless, Repiggies want you to. What next support a Russian Dictator over America

[Vogon_Glory]

53. Repiggies are more than willing to throw folks off planes for

showing too much skin or nursing a baby, but are more than willing to force the rest of us to share a cabin with an unruly, violent lout threatening their fellow pax or air crew.

[relayerbob]

18. Yes, exactly. terrorists. You are starting to get it, now, Ted.

[BlueIdaho]

19. Unruly passengers who physically attack the flight crew

Are terrorists. Maybe if these assholes weren’t all flying private jets they might be more sympathetic with America’s flying public.

[Evolve Dammit]

20. You don't get to be an asshole or combative on an airplane. Anyone who does should be locked up.

[Mr.Bill]

21. The republicans are probably worried

they won't be able to get enough people to DC for the next attempted overthrow of democracy.

[Rebl2]

22. If they

try to break into a cockpit of a plane and threaten the flight attendants, you don’t think they should be put on a no fly list or that it is a terrorist act? These republicans are idiots, but then we knew that already. Disgusting.

[machoneman]

23. I think Delta and the other airlines will win approval. They actually don't even need....

Last edited Tue Feb 15, 2022, 11:23 PM - Edit history (1)

...the US government to agree. Just as a shop owner can ban non-maskers, so can an airline refuse service to those who have created a dangerous situation. Heck, the DOJ could give them cover, but without it, the unruly could only sue on the faint hope their individual case may lead to overturning a ban. Most would skip the trouble.

[hippywife]

24. "Creating a federal 'no-fly' list for unruly passengers who are skeptical of this mandate would

seemingly equate them to terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans..."

I don't see a problem here. By refusing COVID precautions, this is exactly what they're doing, and I'm sick of these assholes. I've reached the point where if it were just them contracting it and dying or becoming disabled, I really wouldn't care. With all of the scientific data and the empirical evidence available, they knowingly expose themselves and others to the risk.

[bahboo]

25. these guys have gone WAY around the bend...

jesus christ...

[Just Jerome]

26. And if a passenger's shirt said BLM...

Assuming,of course, you know your alphabet, Ted

Oh why the hell do I bother? I'm reading Alfred Hitchcock and drinking good beer. You're hopeless, Ted! G'night, all!

[calimary]

32. Welcome to DU, Just Jerome!

He is, indeed. You've gotta REALLY be a jerk to top this guy.

[hunter]

27. Some of those unruly passengers might be good white Christians...

... who were just having a bad day.

[copperearth]

28. Wish we could think of a way

to ground no brain Republicans. They need to be on a no speech list.

[calimary]

33. Welcome to DU, to you, too, copperearth!

I'd go for that. I could list nominees all day. He'd definitely be in the "top 10."

[NBachers]

30. I suggest the Justice Department tear up that letter and flush it down the toilet.

Maybe they should start a Puke Airlines for all the Nazis, fascists, and Magats.

[monkeyman1]

31. there is , all airlines creat a no fly list of their own ! no regulations say they can't !

have their own data - base & link up ! not that hard ! all sport's have the right to ban people for life if cause a disturbing incident .

[BobTheSubgenius]

35. A majority of drug-related charges and convictions are because of drug laws.

What is your point, knee-jerk morons? It doesn't matter what the basis of their offence was. Regulations regarding air travel should be close to zero tolerance. If you cause some kind of accident in an airplane, you don't get out and exchange insurance.

[jmowreader]

36. Okay, we won't create a no-fly list for unruly passengers

Instead, we'll use the Greyhound Bus approach to dealing with them.

When you break Greyhound's rules, the bus pulls over at the first safe place for them to do that and ejects you from the vehicle. If that "first safe place" just happens to be a rest area 70 miles from the nearest town...oh well, you may not have wanted to light up that cigar.

My plan is, when passengers decide to get unruly land the aircraft at the first airport that can handle your jet, hand the passenger over to the local authorities, add some fuel and take to the skies again. The passenger's checked baggage will be taken to the jet's final destination and placed in secure storage. And...then the passenger will be billed for the cost of the added fuel and the disruption to the other passengers' schedules.

I figure after the first couple of people have to figure out how to both get out of Billings, Montana, AND how to come up with the $25,000 it cost to divert and to pay everyone else on the plane the cost of their tickets for their trouble, this shit will come to a screeching halt.

[Brainfodder]

37. To be fair, I would like Ted Cruz on the no fly list!

[SCantiGOP]

39. Of course they do

Airplane crazies will be a part of the fascist coalition.

Hard to believe that 50 years ago a bumper sticker description of their party was Law and Order.

[RainCaster]

41. These airlines already have a-hole lists

This just let's them share with each other. These airlines don't even wait for a conviction, once you are removed from a flight, your name goes on their list. No conviction needed.

[stopdiggin]

42. welcome to 'the only rules I follow'

'are the rules I agree with' GOP. 'Cause, you know - "law and order! - "and I dadgum mean it!"

[Zambero]

43. It's just normal passenger discourse

Once they fly off the handle, just go ahead and let them fly!

[Skittles]

44. they are all for employers doing what they want

except when they want something that upsets the repuke cult

[DBoon]

45. but they are fine with kicking passengers off for speaking Arabic

or keeping a no-fly list for someone with a foreign sounding name

[IbogaProject]

46. Taker GOP

They stand for idiots not only risking everyone's health and safety but wasting everyone's else's time & money, including the airline's shareholders. And all the disruptions to airport operations.

[progree]

47. I suspect their response would be entirely different if it were mostly Black people, Latinos,

hijab-wearers, and other "multicultural types", who were being the disruptive maskholes.

[orleans]

48. oh fuck them. let those "senators" start their own airline. nt

[jcmaine72]

49. When you take a private jet everywhere...

...the concept of unruly passengers seems very abstract.

Just more proof of how far Ted Cruz's head is up his poop chute.

[Vogon_Glory]

52. Even first-class passengers are at risk from unruly passengers in flight n/t

[Jakes Progress]

50. Put them on the no-fly list.

A quartet of scum.

[Vogon_Glory]

51. We aren't comparing unruly air passengers to terrorists

We are saying that they are people who have demonstrated that they are out-of-control in a hazardous situation and can pose a threat to the lives and safety of aircraft air crew and their fellow passengers while the planes are in flight, not to mention folks on the ground should the aircraft come to grief.

Once upon a time right-wingers used to make sounds that warbled like “with freedom comes responsibility.” We haven’t heard that sentiment so much from even “moderate” Republicans these days.

[2naSalit]

57. Maybe an Executive Order?

Seems like a safety issue that needs attention now would qualify for immediate attention by someone who could implement such an order.

[Emile]

58. TFG must have told them their marching orders. Still kissing his ass,

so pathetic.

[MissMillie]

60. customers know the rules when they purchase the tickets

and there is no constitutionally protected "right" to fly on a plane owned by a private business.

Follow the rules or take a train or a boat.

[ificandream]

62. When are people going to learn Trump's foot soldiers don't do anything in THEIR public interest?

Everything they can do to hurt America they do. They have no interest in helping the American people. That should stop everyone else at square one. But for some reason, it doesn't.

[MissMillie]

65. Instilling terror, or attempting to, often to bring attention to some cause or ideology....

Hmmmm..

Ted,

just what IS your definition of terrorism?



BTW, I fully agree with others about a federally administered list and due process issues. Probably better if the airlines do keep their own lists. But as casinos in Vegas share info on cheaters, I have no problem with the airlines sharing their lists.

There is no constitutionally protected right to fly on a commercial plane owned by a private business. Follow the rules or find another mode of transportation.

[Javaman]

66. the real story is probably one of their donors kid or some well connected asshole is associated was

kicked off a flight.

they are just doing the bidding of their betters.

fucking pricks.

[Martin68]

67. Cruz is the epitome of "wingnut."

[nvme]

68. Petulant Man-child!

The fucking laws only apply to the other guys.

[IcyPeas]

70. I would like to see a Venn diagram of these 5,981 people and how many are trumpers.

[NavyDem]

71. Wasn't there 2 recent incidents...

Wasn't there 2 recent incidences of someone attempting to open an aircraft door during flight? Seems that qualifies as "terrorists who seek to actively take the lives of Americans and perpetrate attacks on the homeland"