Russia reports five deaths and claims attempted border incursion
Source: Guardian
1m ago
12:57
Russian military officials have said five people who tried to breach Russias border have been killed, Reuters report.
Russian officials have said Russian troops and border guards prevented Ukrainian saboteurs from breaching their shared border, according to Russian wires cited by Reuters. Ukrainian armed vehicles were destroyed in Russias Rostov region, according to the reports.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/21/russia-ukraine-news-latest-crisis-putin-biden-summit-kyiv-kiev-russian-invasion-threat-live-updates?page=with:block-62138bc98f08e922113e175a#block-62138bc98f08e922113e175a
Archae
(46,336 posts)"All those who believe that, stand on their heads..." -Col Blake, MASH
inanna
(3,547 posts)From BBC Live coverage:
Posted at 8:20
"The intelligence we are seeing suggests that Russia intends to launch an invasion and that President Putin's plan has already begun," the spokesman told reporters.
"We're seeing seen elements of the Russian playbook that we would expect to see in certain situations, starting to play out in real time."
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)Russia is the territorial aggressor who could benefit from sneaky sabotage. Ukraine wants nothing to cross the border, so why would they invite a Russian response in this way?
Bettie
(16,110 posts)well, maybe some really right wing people who worship Putin say they believe it, but honestly, they don't either, it just fits their political model.
No one believes it and Putin knows no one believes it. I think when Putin speaks, everyone automatically assumes he is lying.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)even in Russia, but there they are too afraid to say so.
Here? Only MAGATs believe him and maybe Tucker Carlson because he appears to be a moron.
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)He only cares about advancing his career, the truth is irrelevant and optional.
In many ways, it is much like Trump. Even his ardent supporters admitted they knew he was lying and said they didn't care because he was "authentic".
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)"We know this. The ___ know that we know. But we make-believe that we don't know and the ___ make-believe that they believe that we don't know, but know that we know. Everybody knows." (Apologies to Hatem & Reeves)
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)PatSeg
(47,501 posts)inanna
(3,547 posts)13:22
Its not true, a spokesperson said, adding a full statement would be released shortly.
The Ukraine military has robustly rejected Russian claims of a foiled border raid into Russia as fake news. Ukrainian military officials say their forces are not present in Russias Rostov region, Reuters reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/21/russia-ukraine-news-latest-crisis-putin-biden-summit-kyiv-kiev-russian-invasion-threat-live-updates
Ray Bruns
(4,098 posts)German troops dressed as Polish troops attack a german radio station. Blame Poland
Calista241
(5,586 posts)It only matters if the Russian population finds it believable. As long as some portion of their population believes it, then Putin is gtg.
ashredux
(2,606 posts)padah513
(2,503 posts)robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)Just a hut in a field. Probably in Russia.
Solly Mack
(90,773 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,459 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)iemanja
(53,035 posts)closer to home.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)he is using the same tactics like that POS running China now did when he took over Hong Kong/ and the Muslim and Tibet.....always the others person/ government's provocation....another Stalinist tactic.....
0rganism
(23,957 posts)Everything else about the story, maybe not so much
melm00se
(4,993 posts)the hometown crowd in the cheap seats.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)Another dictator about to launch an invasion told his generals,
"I will provide a propagandistic casus belli. Its credibility doesn't matter. The victor will not be asked whether he told the truth".
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)This surprises no one and is text book Putin. Hes a madman and a killer. That should never ever be minimized or forgotten.
Martin68
(22,822 posts)Biden's team has done a good job heading off any belief in Russian false flag operations.
iemanja
(53,035 posts)This is Putin's doing.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Might as well stop listening to anything the Russians report.
ificandream
(9,373 posts).. Putin is trying to restore all the countries that split away from the former Soviet Union. He's basically trying to bring that back.
EndlessWire
(6,537 posts)No one believes this. This is a tactic used by Russia for public opinion. They started this a couple of days ago (maybe yesterday.)