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discocrisco01

(1,666 posts)
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 09:23 AM Feb 2022

Utah man accused of telling 4-year-old to shoot at police after dispute at McDonald's

Source: CBS News

A Utah man was arrested Monday after allegedly telling a 4-year-old to shoot at police officers. The Unified Police Department of Greater Salt Lake said an officer was able to swipe the gun away as a round was fired, and the officer only sustained a "minor wound" to his arm.

Police said the incident began at approximately 1:30 p.m. local time, when a man received the wrong order at a McDonald's drive-thru in Midvale. He then "brandished a firearm" at employees, police said, and employees asked him to drive to the front of the store while they fixed the order.

Employees then called the police. When officers responded, they issued "several verbal commands" for the man to exit the car, but he refused, police said

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/utah-shooting-mcdonalds-4-year-old-police/

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Utah man accused of telling 4-year-old to shoot at police after dispute at McDonald's (Original Post) discocrisco01 Feb 2022 OP
WTF is wrong with people? nycbos Feb 2022 #1
If you find out first, please let me know. Harker Feb 2022 #2
The first time I heard that statement, from someone whom I had thought, until niyad Feb 2022 #5
That's a great example... Harker Feb 2022 #14
Never Rebl2 Feb 2022 #7
First thing that happened when a mining camp sprouted a general store Warpy Feb 2022 #17
Have you ever seen the James Garner movie, "Support Your Local Sheriff"? niyad Feb 2022 #22
I'm going through life polite and unarmed. n/t Harker Feb 2022 #18
Same Rebl2 Feb 2022 #23
... Harker Feb 2022 #26
The person from whom I heard it was older than I am, and she learned it from niyad Feb 2022 #24
The phrase first appeared in Robert A. Heinlein's 1942 science fiction novel "Beyond This Horizon". Dial H For Hero Feb 2022 #30
I think they call that war StClone Feb 2022 #8
"Good fences make good neighbors." eggplant Feb 2022 #15
I like that one much better. n/t Harker Feb 2022 #19
*"Good fences make good neighbors." StClone Feb 2022 #25
Fox, the GOP, lack of education, propaganda, disinformation, TV and its violent shows, TV and its Escurumbele Feb 2022 #10
Gun possession causes insanity sanatanadharma Feb 2022 #27
coward - putting a child at risk because of a dispute at a fast food store..... getagrip_already Feb 2022 #3
Good thing he didn't use it himself, I am glad the SOB is a coward, a cop could have been killed. Escurumbele Feb 2022 #12
I hope that Child Protective Services has become involved. niyad Feb 2022 #4
I'm from the Republican/Rittenhouse murder state of Wisconsin and tell you that man and johnthewoodworker Feb 2022 #6
There are times when it's best not to obey our parents IronLionZion Feb 2022 #9
People are addicted to the adrenaline that rage produces. Thunderbeast Feb 2022 #11
The rage is caused by what is around you, the impotence of not being able to have a good life Escurumbele Feb 2022 #13
Agree. Thunderbeast Feb 2022 #16
Agree nt XanaDUer2 Mar 2022 #35
Good thing the cop was able to disarm the child. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2022 #20
Who could have predicted that every person carrying a gun would have this effect? AllyCat Feb 2022 #21
Did that fuck'n idiot... LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #28
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Feb 2022 #29
Drivers should have something like you listed for guns burrowowl Feb 2022 #33
Great ideas, but... Hestia Feb 2022 #34
"This needs to stop and we need to come together as a community to find solutions to the challenges LiberalLovinLug Feb 2022 #31
There is no limit tiredtoo Feb 2022 #32

Harker

(14,036 posts)
2. If you find out first, please let me know.
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 09:56 AM
Feb 2022

"An armed society is a polite society", I've been assured.

niyad

(113,581 posts)
5. The first time I heard that statement, from someone whom I had thought, until
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:53 AM
Feb 2022

that moment, reasonably sane, I pointed out that the Wild West was an armed society, and anything BUT polite.

Harker

(14,036 posts)
14. That's a great example...
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:53 AM
Feb 2022

It's a sad, snortworthy statement that would be laughable were it not so deadly.

Rebl2

(13,561 posts)
7. Never
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:02 AM
Feb 2022

heard that before. I can assure you an armed society is NOT a polite society. I see and hear about it every day in Kansas City.

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
17. First thing that happened when a mining camp sprouted a general store
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:57 AM
Feb 2022

and started to turn into a town was elect a sheriff and that sheriff's first official act was to prohibit guns in town. It was the only way to get a town polite enough to keep the general store, let alone grow into a bigger town. They knew, as do we, that an armed society is a society crammed full of swaggering bullies.

One good thing to come out of this incident is that asshole isn't going to see the kid for a very long time.

niyad

(113,581 posts)
22. Have you ever seen the James Garner movie, "Support Your Local Sheriff"?
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 12:34 PM
Feb 2022

That is basically part of the plot.

niyad

(113,581 posts)
24. The person from whom I heard it was older than I am, and she learned it from
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 12:38 PM
Feb 2022

her father, so it has been around in all its stupidity for at least 60 years.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
30. The phrase first appeared in Robert A. Heinlein's 1942 science fiction novel "Beyond This Horizon".
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 01:49 PM
Feb 2022

In the novel, duels and the carrying of arms are socially accepted ways of maintaining civility in public. A man can wear distinctive clothing to show his unwillingness to duel, but this results in an inferior social status.

It's notable that the main character, in the course of the first pages, first comes close to a duel over a spilled bowl of soup (the duel being defused by way of a formalized apology), and shortly thereafter has an actual duel with a drunk.

The point being that in context the phrase is not meant to imply that an armed society results in everybody being nice to each other, but rather that the consequence of so many people being openly armed and ready to draw at the drop of a hat has resulted in most such confrontations (but hardly all of them) being prevented only by way of overly polite rituals. As the character says, "...to stay alive as an armed citizen a man has to be either quick with his wits or with his hands, preferably both."

Both pro- and anti- gun rights people who merely quote the six word phrase almost inevitably do so out of context.

Escurumbele

(3,403 posts)
10. Fox, the GOP, lack of education, propaganda, disinformation, TV and its violent shows, TV and its
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:47 AM
Feb 2022

"reality" shows, TV and its "law" shows, Did I say "Fox NotNews"?, Smartphones, lack of reading, the public education system which was hurt tremendously during the buffoon's four years, the anxiety of not seeing results regarding accountability of the trump thugs, his family and his gang, the fact that the "rule of law" and "no one is above the law" only applies to some but not others, republicans continually creating havoc every time they open their mouths, the GOP lies, the frustrating 30% that doesn't seem to understand they are being had, the amount of anxiety the four years of the buffoon, the impotence that many of us felt from seeing crimes committed in front of our own eyes and the justice department looking the other way, the continued wealth inequality where the middle class is slowly disappearing while the wealthy class continues to enrich themselves, the poor getting poorer while the so called "American Dream" seems to disappear, The Electoral College, etc.

Those are some of the things I see that is "wrong with people". I could go on, but I think that is enough for now...

sanatanadharma

(3,730 posts)
27. Gun possession causes insanity
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 12:47 PM
Feb 2022

The onset of uncontrollable insanity is usually slow enough that most people die of 'natural' causes before the manifestation of symptoms more serious than simply defending guns at all costs; daily deaths, kids, women, dozens, suicide, racist terrorism, all are of no consequence.

And that, in my opinion is a sign of ethical insanity, but I am certain that no one here manifests symptoms of gun defense syndrome.

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
3. coward - putting a child at risk because of a dispute at a fast food store.....
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:34 AM
Feb 2022

Didn't have the courage to use it himself. Typical.

 

johnthewoodworker

(694 posts)
6. I'm from the Republican/Rittenhouse murder state of Wisconsin and tell you that man and
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 10:58 AM
Feb 2022

child will be released by a Republican judge in time for dinner.

IronLionZion

(45,534 posts)
9. There are times when it's best not to obey our parents
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:39 AM
Feb 2022

Hope those kids can be placed with a better family or relatives or something. Dad is teaching the kids some very wrong stuff.

We should require training and a permit to procreate since there's no constitutional amendment for the right to bear and keep children.

Escurumbele

(3,403 posts)
13. The rage is caused by what is around you, the impotence of not being able to have a good life
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 11:52 AM
Feb 2022

to struggle for the next paycheck while you see the wealthy class in the yachts, private planes, expensive cars, knowing that the American Dream you always thought you could have gets farther and farther every day...That is what cause rage. See my previous post answering "what is wrong with people"...its the system.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
20. Good thing the cop was able to disarm the child.
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 12:12 PM
Feb 2022

Shooting a four-year-old might have been justified, but how do you live with yourself after?

The "adult" should be an "elderly geezer" by the time he gets out of prison. "Contributing to the delinquency ..." doesn't even begin to describe the severity of his actions.

 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
28. Did that fuck'n idiot...
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 12:54 PM
Feb 2022

…think that ordering a small child to shoot the cops would mean he’s off the hook for murder or attempted murder of a cop?

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
29. People Control, Not Gun Control
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 12:56 PM
Feb 2022

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
34. Great ideas, but...
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 06:04 PM
Feb 2022

I am not sure if everyone is aware, but there is no centralized database per federal law - (GQP back in late 1980s or early 1990s made it a law that guns and gun owners were never to be entered into a database - mark of the beast, a way to round up gun owners, or some such nonsense that's still around today), so those forms that are two part duplicates (white with yellow carbon) that are filled out at walmart or gun shop are what are used to trace any gun or gun owner. It takes people working in a huge federal facility to physically pull a piece of paper for any tracing. It is why it sometimes takes days to get the info back to police. So, with all the gun sales in the past 20 years (really picked up during * admins), just literally generates more stacks of paperwork.

Plus - how would ghost guns figure into it? How would we be able to trace those parts, etc?

Showed the facility on 60 Minutes (I'm guessing, since that is the only type of news program type that I watch).

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Also, now criminals, gangs, what have you, are handing guns and drugs to children to hold and deliver. The thought is, is that if the children are caught, jail time is drastically reduced in kiddie jail and the adult gets to run free. Of course, they shower the child with gifts and money while they are behind bars, ensuring loyalty when the child is released.

All a part of the interesting times we are living in...

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
31. "This needs to stop and we need to come together as a community to find solutions to the challenges
Tue Feb 22, 2022, 04:06 PM
Feb 2022

......we face in our neighborhoods."


Uhhhh.......how about sensible gun control laws? You don't have to "find" them. Just enact them.

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