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Omaha Steve

(99,556 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 07:17 AM Mar 2022

Arizona Supreme Court: Jeep can be sued over girl's death

Source: AP

By BOB CHRISTIE

PHOENIX (AP) — The family of a little girl who was killed when her mother’s car was rear-ended by a Jeep on a Phoenix freeway can sue the SUV’s manufacturer for wrongful death because it did not install automatic emergency braking devices that were available as optional equipment, the Arizona Supreme Court ruled Tuesday.

The court rejected arguments from lawyers for Jeep parent company Fiat Chrysler Automobiles US that the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration’s decision not to require the devices pre-empted the state lawsuit.

The decision written by Justice Bill Montgomery also overturned a similar 2019 decision that said automakers were immune to such lawsuits because of the federal agency’s decision not to require the technology.

The crash on Aug. 15, 2015, killed 4-year-old Vivian Varela, who was riding in the back seat of her mother’s Lexus sedan. Melissa Varela was preparing to take an exit from the Loop 101 freeway in north Phoenix when traffic stopped because an emergency vehicle was blocking the off-ramp, according to one of her lawyers, Brent Ghelfi.



This undated photo provided by Melissa Varela shows her, her husband Mitchell Varela and their daughter Vivian, who was killed in a 2015 car accident. The Arizona Supreme Court on Tuesday, March 1, 2022, allowed the Varela's wrongful death lawsuit accusing Fiat Chrysler of failing to install automatic emergency braking systems on the Jeep Grand Cherokee that rear-ended Melissa's car to proceed. The court rejected arguments from lawyers for Jeep parent company Fiat Chrysler, now part of Stellantis, that the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration's decision not to require the devices pre-empted the state lawsuit. (Melissa Varela via AP)


Read more: https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-technology-business-arizona-supreme-court-arizona-f659224e8d17a290c44b6636419b567c

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Arizona Supreme Court: Jeep can be sued over girl's death (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2022 OP
The child's death is a tragedy but that decision sounds crazy. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #1
Yes. No way this should move forward. It was an "option". oldsoftie Mar 2022 #2
+100 sinkingfeeling Mar 2022 #4
Good decision nuxvomica Mar 2022 #3
Wow, that sucks! ShazzieB Mar 2022 #19
I am fairly skeptical that auto-braking would be a $100 option. EX500rider Mar 2022 #27
That's the manufacturer's cost according to the article nuxvomica Mar 2022 #28
If the US Supreme Court rules on this and allows the suit, which I don't think it will, marie999 Mar 2022 #5
Upgraded stereos, leather seats, sunroofs and fancy rims should be optional, sop Mar 2022 #6
Are you sure they are talking about ABS and not self driving automatic brakes? cinematicdiversions Mar 2022 #11
Just to clarify: sop Mar 2022 #13
That makes a lot more sense cinematicdiversions Mar 2022 #16
By "all vehicles," I presume they mean all NEW ones? ShazzieB Mar 2022 #20
This is gonna be a tough one to try before a jury. Ford_Prefect Mar 2022 #7
I think Lexus has more to blame. essaynnc Mar 2022 #8
5000 LB jeep at highway speed has far too much mass to prevent damage on that scale Ford_Prefect Mar 2022 #9
Pinto had some issues keithbvadu2 Mar 2022 #10
People killed riding motorcycles or ATV should be able to sue because there are no airbags MichMan Mar 2022 #12
I'll take false equivalencies for $800, Alex Major Nikon Mar 2022 #18
It's more like - motorcycles are inherently unsafe, why are they allowed to be sold at all? n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2022 #26
If you knew nothing about the US, you would think this is a strange decision Farmer-Rick Mar 2022 #14
I'm sure she would have survived if the parents had bought a Volvo Shellback Squid Mar 2022 #15
I bet she wouldn't have died if her mother hadn't killed her in a auto accident nt ripcord Mar 2022 #21
The basic rule of thumb here is that you sue people with money. eggplant Mar 2022 #17
This is the essence of capitalism lonely bird Mar 2022 #22
Seems like a dumb suit. I hope Jeep sues Varela's lawyer for costs. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2022 #23
If you accept the logic of the plaintiff's lawyer, no rear end collision is ever the driver's fault MichMan Mar 2022 #24
Jeep Grand Cherokee is their flagship SUV MichMan Mar 2022 #25

oldsoftie

(12,514 posts)
2. Yes. No way this should move forward. It was an "option".
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:17 AM
Mar 2022

Maybe the driver should have NOT hit the victims in the rear.

nuxvomica

(12,418 posts)
3. Good decision
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:40 AM
Mar 2022

The manufacturer took a risk in favor of profit by bundling a safety feature that costs $100 into an option package that costs $10,000, unnecessarily pricing cheap safety out of reach for some buyers.

EX500rider

(10,829 posts)
27. I am fairly skeptical that auto-braking would be a $100 option.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 03:58 PM
Mar 2022

Freaking floormats can be more then that, adding a fwd camera sensor hooked to software to the brakes seems like it would be more.

nuxvomica

(12,418 posts)
28. That's the manufacturer's cost according to the article
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 04:17 PM
Mar 2022

And that seems a likely number considering that according to Google, after market can range $320-$1000, including labor. Still way below the $10K trim line that may include things someone doesn't even want. It's not like they couldn't afford to make it standard; it's that they made it a premium option bundled with a lot of more expensive stuff.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
5. If the US Supreme Court rules on this and allows the suit, which I don't think it will,
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 08:57 AM
Mar 2022

then every safety feature should have to be installed in every car new and used car that can have them. The government did mandate seat belts.

sop

(10,136 posts)
6. Upgraded stereos, leather seats, sunroofs and fancy rims should be optional,
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:00 AM
Mar 2022

but basic safety devices like ABS, seat restraints, airbags and other technology must be included as standard equipment. The courts have a role to play in forcing auto manufacturers to adopt new safety technology.

 

cinematicdiversions

(1,969 posts)
11. Are you sure they are talking about ABS and not self driving automatic brakes?
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:48 AM
Mar 2022

The latter makes more sense.

sop

(10,136 posts)
13. Just to clarify:
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:15 AM
Mar 2022

Automatic or passive braking systems are designed to either prevent possible collision, or reduce speed of the moving vehicle, prior to a collision with another vehicle, pedestrian or an obstacle of some sort. These systems combine sensors, such as radar, video, infrared or ultrasonic to scan for possible objects in front of the vehicle, and then use brake control to prevent collision if the object is detected.

ABS and ESC were mandated for all passenger vehicles, trucks and busses back in 2013 by the NHTSA. Now, under a provision of the recent infrastructure bill (H.R.3684 - Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act), all passenger vehicles and large trucks sold in the U.S. will have to be equipped with passive emergency braking systems.

https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2021/09/01/infrastructure-bill-mandates-automatic-emergency-braking-in-all-passenger-vehicles/

"The bill leaves up to the Secretary of Transportation when the new regulations would be imposed, including any phase-in period.

"The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) and the Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI) have long been advocating the adoption of crash-avoidance technology, using HLDI’s volumes of claims data to evaluate this feature on passenger vehicles.

"According to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, police-reported crash data shows that crash avoidance technology could cut front-to-rear crashes in half.

“'This bill pushes U.S. road safety policy forward in a number of areas, and we can see the work of IIHS-HLDI clearly reflected in many of the provisions,' said IIHS-HLDI President David Harkey in a statement. 'In some cases, the legislation is catching up with industry changes that we have already set in motion; in others, the bill could tee up meaningful progress on issues that we have been sounding the alarm on for years.'

"IIHS reported in December that 10 automakers have fulfilled a voluntary commitment to equip nearly all the new light vehicles they produce for the U.S. market with automatic emergency braking (AEB), ahead of the 2022-23 target set in the agreement brokered by IIHS and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration in 2015.

"In all, 20 manufacturers promised to equip at least 95 percent of certain vehicles with the crash avoidance technology by the production year beginning Sept. 1, 2022. The agreement covers light-duty cars and trucks with a gross vehicle weight of 8,500 pounds or less.

“'The 10 manufacturers put the technology on more than 95 percent of the vehicles they produced between Sept. 1, 2019, and Aug. 31, 2020. Another three automakers exceeded the 90 percent threshold. However, five of the 20 automakers that signed the commitment equipped less than half of their vehicles with AEB,' IIHS said at the time.

"Four of the 10 — Audi, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo and Tesla — met their commitments last year, according to manufacturer reports. This year, they were joined by BMW, Hyundai, Mazda, Subaru, Toyota and Volkswagen.

“'This voluntary effort is succeeding in getting an important crash prevention technology into vehicles quickly,' said IIHS President David Harkey. 'It’s great to see AEB become a mainstream safety feature that’s now standard equipment not just on luxury cars and SUVs, but on affordable models as well.'"

ShazzieB

(16,348 posts)
20. By "all vehicles," I presume they mean all NEW ones?
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 12:17 PM
Mar 2022
ABS and ESC were mandated for all passenger vehicles, trucks and busses back in 2013 by the NHTSA. Now, under a provision of the recent infrastructure bill (H.R.3684 - Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act), all passenger vehicles and large trucks sold in the U.S. will have to be equipped with passive emergency braking systems.


Sorry, I'm just a little salty about all the safety features that aren't available to me because I can't afford a brand new car or even a recent model used one. I drove a rental car for a few days a couple of months ago while my car was in the shop and was bowled over by some of the features. Like the backup camera....holy cow.

Ford_Prefect

(7,875 posts)
7. This is gonna be a tough one to try before a jury.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:08 AM
Mar 2022

The assertion that the optional automatic braking would have prevented the child's death depends on the likelihood that there was sufficient distance for it to work well enough in the instance.

The article suggests that Jeep bundled the braking option in such a way as to make it relatively unaffordable, that it was part of a luxury package like heated leather seats. Thus a useful and relatively inexpensive item ($100 we are told) was kept from installation rather than becoming a standard safety feature like seatbelts.

ABS braking is a very good device but it requires that the driver uses it correctly, and that the car and tires are maintained.

The jury is going to have to decide how many different factors fed into this tragedy and I suspect it will not be simple.

essaynnc

(801 posts)
8. I think Lexus has more to blame.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:11 AM
Mar 2022

Why didn't they spend the extra couple of 100 bucks to make the rear end of their vehicle crash proof?

Ford_Prefect

(7,875 posts)
9. 5000 LB jeep at highway speed has far too much mass to prevent damage on that scale
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:33 AM
Mar 2022

in a vehicle of significantly lesser mass. If you're confused about this take a walk around any wrecking yard.

This goes back to debates over the safety of having such large vehicles in common traffic conditions. One argument goes that we'd all be safer if every car were armored like a tank, thus we'd all drive brick houses on wheels so to speak.

MichMan

(11,899 posts)
12. People killed riding motorcycles or ATV should be able to sue because there are no airbags
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:09 AM
Mar 2022

The manufacturers failed to install proper safety equipment

Farmer-Rick

(10,150 posts)
14. If you knew nothing about the US, you would think this is a strange decision
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:18 AM
Mar 2022

But since we all know federal regulatory agencies have been captured by the filthy rich who own these corporations, they should be held liable for safety of their products even if they are Not mandated by agencies they control.

"The Supreme Court’s decision noted that the federal safety agency opted to forego imposing a mandate for several reasons, including that it wanted to spur innovation and because automakers were adopting the technology on their own."

Now that decision is right out of the captured regulatory agency handbook.

So the filthy rich pressures our government Not to make common sense safety features mandatory. And when someone dies due to lack of these safety features they point to the government as not having mandated it. They get their cake and eat it too.

There is no mandates for lightbulbs that don't electrocute you. There is no mandate for car seats that don't move when you are driving. There is no mandate for car doors that don't swing open at high speeds. There are a lot of safety features that have been put in to place, are expected, but aren't required by law.

So, on the surface, if you didn't know how the US government worked you wouldn't understand this ruling.

Just because a regulatory agency hasn't mandated it, doesn't relieve a corporation from making a safe product.... especially since it only costs $100.

eggplant

(3,911 posts)
17. The basic rule of thumb here is that you sue people with money.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:49 AM
Mar 2022

They were driving a Jeep, Jeep has money, ergo you sue Jeep. QED.

Jeep will fight to get it thrown out, then will put up a vigorous defense to deter others from trying the same tactic, then if things go badly for them, they will quietly settle out of court for an undisclosed amount of money and no admission of guilt. It's the American way!

lonely bird

(1,684 posts)
22. This is the essence of capitalism
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 01:11 PM
Mar 2022

It is not about what is good for the public. It is ALWAYS about what the public can pay and how much they will tolerate until revenue declines to an unacceptable point. By regulation the government can force such safety features to be included in every vehicle. The manufacturers will not care in the end. They will simply raise prices to cover the cost. Even if, as so-called "free marketers" allege, the public demands such safety features the manufacturers will either keep them as a separate option (higher price) or they will make them standard and raise prices anyway.

And, yes, it was a a bad decision. Was the driver distracted? Does such safety systems absolve the driver from responsibility? Was the driver exceeding posted speed limits for the ramp?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,336 posts)
23. Seems like a dumb suit. I hope Jeep sues Varela's lawyer for costs.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 01:48 PM
Mar 2022

Did the Jeep's driver apply the brakes? I'd maybe sue the Jeep's driver.

MichMan

(11,899 posts)
24. If you accept the logic of the plaintiff's lawyer, no rear end collision is ever the driver's fault
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 01:50 PM
Mar 2022

It is the fault of the vehicle.


Ghelfi, the Varela’s lawyer, called automakers’ failure to universally adopt automatic emergency braking “a nationally important and fundamental issue.”

He said modeling done by experts determined that if Chrysler’s version of emergency braking had been installed on the Jeep, Vivian would not have died.

“It would have automatically braked that car, and this accident would have been a clean miss,” Ghelfi said. “At worst it would have been a fender bender, and most likely it would have been a clean miss.”

MichMan

(11,899 posts)
25. Jeep Grand Cherokee is their flagship SUV
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 01:54 PM
Mar 2022

Wonder how many other options the buyer did purchase, instead of opting for the one with the emergency braking ?

Wonder if there were over $10k in other options chosen ?

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