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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,378 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:00 AM Mar 2022

Germany prepared to stop buying gas from Russia

Source: Yahoo! Finance

Yahoo Finance UK

Germany prepared to stop buying gas from Russia

Pedro Goncalves · Finance reporter
Wed, March 2, 2022, 6:58 AM

Germany is ready should Russia stop exporting gas to the country as Berlin develops a new energy battle plan to end that reliance.

The country’s economy minister told Deutschlandfunk radio that in the case that Russia cuts off its gas supply, Germany was ready to boost strategic reserves.

“We are prepared for that. I can give the all-clear for the current winter and summer,” Robert Habeck said.

"For the next winter, we would take further measures," he added.

{snip}

Read more: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/germany-prepared-to-stop-buying-gas-from-russia-115822753.html



Now they're preparing to do this?
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Germany prepared to stop buying gas from Russia (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2022 OP
Germany was trying hard to stay out of this, but now finds secondwind Mar 2022 #1
This is a big deal, gab13by13 Mar 2022 #2
Because Germany closed its nuclear plants, they will burn... NNadir Mar 2022 #3
"Germany prepared to keep nuclear plants open " speak easy Mar 2022 #4
Calling the Geman political party in question "Greens" is like... NNadir Mar 2022 #8
As well as France. Very poor decision. Modern nuclear is the future. oldsoftie Mar 2022 #5
France has four large reactors down right now. NNadir Mar 2022 #12
Thank you for that info. I dint know they'd changed course. Very good. oldsoftie Mar 2022 #15
Macron has announced plans to build six new reactors. N/t NNadir Mar 2022 #16
Blast from the past: mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2022 #9
Schroeder works for Gasprom now. What a coincidence! NNadir Mar 2022 #11
It is a big deal. Oil and gas are all that Poot has. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #13
Few more weeks & winter will be greatly diminished problem giving 6-8 months to solve energy. nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2022 #6
The US could sell them some liquid natural gas IronLionZion Mar 2022 #7
Germany's aggressive "green energy" programs caused this problem. hunter Mar 2022 #10
Green energy isn't at fault; leaving a non-green essential component in place is. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #14
Bull. The fantasy that wind and solar are "green" has played out. NNadir Mar 2022 #17
Well said!! The facts are sometimes not what we'd like them to be. oldsoftie Mar 2022 #18

gab13by13

(21,287 posts)
2. This is a big deal,
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:17 AM
Mar 2022

way to go Germany. Germany was slow out of the gate but it certainly caught up.

Remember, 60% of Russia's exports is from oil and gas. Russia is drilling for oil and gas in god forsaken regions of Siberia. Building a pipeline all of that way for nothing, not going to help Putin's image in Russia.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
3. Because Germany closed its nuclear plants, they will burn...
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 09:32 AM
Mar 2022

...and are burning coal.

Everyone on the planet suffers and all future generations will suffer because of this very poor decision to close nuclear plants to burn coal.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
8. Calling the Geman political party in question "Greens" is like...
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:38 AM
Mar 2022

...Putin calling his army a "peace keeping" force. Their anti-nuclear rhetoric irrespective of their position on Putin, is a threat to humanity.

oldsoftie

(12,523 posts)
5. As well as France. Very poor decision. Modern nuclear is the future.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:16 AM
Mar 2022

And Germany was warned NOT to tie themselves to the Russian energy supplies.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
12. France has four large reactors down right now.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:04 AM
Mar 2022

These are reactors of the type at Civeaux. They are expected to be back up in the early spring.

Hopefully this goes well.

France has recommitted itself to nuclear energy, in which it is a world leader.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,378 posts)
9. Blast from the past:
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:38 AM
Mar 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021: Germany shuts down half of its 6 remaining nuclear plants

Source: AP

By FRANK JORDANS

BERLIN (AP) — Germany on Friday is shutting down half of the six nuclear plants it still has in operation, a year before the country draws the final curtain on its decades-long use of atomic power.

The decision to phase out nuclear power and shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy was first taken by the center-left government of Gerhard Schroeder in 2002.

His successor, Angela Merkel, reversed her decision to extend the lifetime of Germany’s nuclear plants in the wake of the 2011 Fukushima disaster in Japan and set 2022 as the final deadline for shutting them down.

The three reactors now being shuttered were first powered up in the mid-1980s. Together they provided electricity to millions of German households for almost four decades.



FILE - The nuclear power station is seen in Gundremmingen,southern Germany, May 23, 2006. Germany on Friday, Dec. 31, 2021 is shutting down half of the six nuclear plants it still has in operation, a year before the country draws the final curtain on its decades-long use of atomic power. (AP Photo/Christof Stache, file)

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-germany-angela-merkel-gerhard-schroeder-11b97717f822a38c90fb7483ffc825aa

IronLionZion

(45,410 posts)
7. The US could sell them some liquid natural gas
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:25 AM
Mar 2022

and I hope they have a plan for using green energy or something to help next winter. This winter season will end soon so they have some time this summer to prep.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
10. Germany's aggressive "green energy" programs caused this problem.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 10:56 AM
Mar 2022

Wind and solar power are simply not viable without natural gas. Nimble gas power plants are used to stabilize the grid as wind and solar power drop in and out, which happens on a scale of minutes, hours, days, and weeks. ( At grid scales the realistic capacity of batteries to fill these gaps is measured in minutes, if anyone thinks that's the answer. )

Germany will no doubt be increasing their dependence on coal power plants in Germany and in neighboring countries. This will decrease the capacity of their electric grid to utilize intermittent wind and solar power.

Many people saw this coming. The question wasn't if, but when.

Like many environmental catastrophes it came sooner than expected.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
14. Green energy isn't at fault; leaving a non-green essential component in place is.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 11:29 AM
Mar 2022

This is fixable. Short term, we are fracking the fuck out of America and can sell them gas. Longer-term, storage options need to be brought on line. Many, many storage technologies are in development for different situations.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
17. Bull. The fantasy that wind and solar are "green" has played out.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 01:11 PM
Mar 2022

We spent over three trillion dollars on this planet on so called "renewable energy" between 2004-2019 with the result that world dependence on dangerous fossil fuels is increasing and the rate of increase in the concentrations of deadly climate change gases is increasing, not decreasing.

Anyone talking about using energy storage to make a failed system that has never, not once, after nearly half a century of mindless cheering, produced as much energy per year as nuclear has been producing, despite mindless catcalls, since 1990 is not familiar with the second law of thermodynamics nor with the LCA of mining.

Wind and solar are not "green," nor are they sustainable.

The cost of the fantasy to the contrary are falling on all humanity and all future generations of humanity.

Wind and solar will never be as clean and sustainable as nuclear energy.

oldsoftie

(12,523 posts)
18. Well said!! The facts are sometimes not what we'd like them to be.
Wed Mar 2, 2022, 04:35 PM
Mar 2022

It seems too many people don't think past the battery, solar panel or windmill to everything that's IN the them & WHERE it comes from when they're made
The US & EU don't have most of those materials. China & Russia DO. Haven't we learned to NOT get ourselves slaves to their materials?

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