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bluewater

(5,376 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 05:44 PM Mar 2022

Stocks Plunge, Materials Surge in Latest Turmoil: Markets Wrap

Source: Bloomberg

The turmoil on global financial markets intensified Monday as U.S. stocks plunged the most in 17 months and commodity prices relentlessly powering higher as the fallout from war in Ukraine threatened to the global economy.

The S&P 500 sank almost 3% for its worst day since October 2020, while the tech-heavy Nasdaq 100 Index dropped 3.7%. Nickel surged 90% to a record on worry over potential shortages, oil settled at the highest in a decade and wheat approached records after a 7% jump. Earlier, the Euro Stoxx 50 and Germany's DAX index closed in bear markets. The spread between two-year and 10-year Treasuries briefly dropped below 20 basis points, a level not seen since March 2020 and a bearish sign for the economy.

Russia's war on Ukraine and the sanctions from U.S. and European allies on Russian assets have sent a jolt through financial markets that were already unsteady after two years of the pandemic and the threat of central banks pulling back on stimulus. Investors have grown leery of owning riskier assets as surging commodity prices exacerbate inflationary pressures that could force policy makers to tamp down growth.

"The longer oil prices and inflation remain elevated -- and thereby threaten an early demise of this economic expansion and bull market -- the more investors will trim their exposure to equities," wrote Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at CFRA. "Investor uncertainty should elevate the angst."

Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-06/stocks-face-oil-risks-amid-talk-of-russia-embargo-markets-wrap



Not good news would be an understatement.

I'm old and live off a modest amount of savings and investments in the market and this is starting to really frighten me.

It is apparent that a protracted war in Ukraine will lead to tens of thousands of civilian deaths in Ukraine and severe economic consequences for Europe and the US. Half measures to end this conflict are simply not good enough.

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Stocks Plunge, Materials Surge in Latest Turmoil: Markets Wrap (Original Post) bluewater Mar 2022 OP
Hang in there manicdem Mar 2022 #1
The Fed is meeting to decide on interest rates next week IronLionZion Mar 2022 #2
The US economy has dealt with far, far worse crises than this. paleotn Mar 2022 #3
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Mar 2022 #4
Then you agree the US should being doing more to quickly end the war in Ukraine? bluewater Mar 2022 #6
Quickly? Like what? Give up? paleotn Mar 2022 #7
Like win. It's time for the US and NATO to tell Russia to stand down. bluewater Mar 2022 #9
Dld that. Answer is "thousands of nukes on high alert" Justice matters. Mar 2022 #22
Is it time to consider a temporary wage-price freeze? 3825-87867 Mar 2022 #5
It's time for the US and NATO to tell Russia to stand down. bluewater Mar 2022 #8
And if they refuse? NickB79 Mar 2022 #10
What I would suggest is a rolling out of the NATO umbrella across Ukraine in stages. bluewater Mar 2022 #13
So that's a yes on World War 3 then NickB79 Mar 2022 #16
No, it's telling Russia there are limits bluewater Mar 2022 #18
Volker's interest rate hikes brought inflation down, wage-price freeze just delays the inevitable bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #12
Not good for 2022 elections.... Bayard Mar 2022 #11
I'm getting close to wanting to retire hibbing Mar 2022 #14
I was forced into retirement in early 2020 ...... groundloop Mar 2022 #17
Just wait until GOP privatizes Social Security IronLionZion Mar 2022 #21
S&P 500 closed down 12.4% from its Jan. 3 all-time high progree Mar 2022 #15
I've been expecting a major correction for quite a while. Scruffy1 Mar 2022 #19
👍 Joinfortmill Mar 2022 #20

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
2. The Fed is meeting to decide on interest rates next week
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:07 PM
Mar 2022

I would expect a small rate increase considering the effects of the Ukraine war on stocks and oil prices and some global shipping.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
3. The US economy has dealt with far, far worse crises than this.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:11 PM
Mar 2022

Personally, it would make me feel guilty being all safe, warm and snug while a free people are fighting for their very lives. Just sayin'.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
6. Then you agree the US should being doing more to quickly end the war in Ukraine?
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:22 PM
Mar 2022

Half measures are just leading to thousands of preventable civilian deaths and economic hardship in Europe and the US.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. Like win. It's time for the US and NATO to tell Russia to stand down.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:26 PM
Mar 2022

I think that would be clear at this point.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
22. Dld that. Answer is "thousands of nukes on high alert"
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 01:46 AM
Mar 2022

Then what?

Of course don't provke the crazy terrorist who never has enough money?

3825-87867

(844 posts)
5. Is it time to consider a temporary wage-price freeze?
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:21 PM
Mar 2022

Nixon did it in 1971 and business lost it's mind. Same with Carter in '78 with the same business crying in their beer.
But inflation did come down and St. Ronnie got credit for it.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
10. And if they refuse?
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:27 PM
Mar 2022

You want a shooting war with Russia, complete with American boots on the ground?

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
13. What I would suggest is a rolling out of the NATO umbrella across Ukraine in stages.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:40 PM
Mar 2022

The first step would be to declare this in western Ukraine around Lviv, currently hundreds of miles away from Russian forces.

We would make clear that this portion of Ukraine is under full NATO protection and it would be extremely unwise for Russia to think otherwise. We would tell them it's under the same level of protection as the small Baltic states that are in NATO already.

We would be taking the same risks of "escalating" a direct conflict as we all ready currently are protecting the Baltic states of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.

If you think this proposal is too risky, then the same logic would apply to protecting the small Baltic states, that we would be unwilling to back up our policy of protecting allies.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
16. So that's a yes on World War 3 then
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 07:03 PM
Mar 2022

The Baltic states you referenced are NATO members, already under our protection. Ukraine is not. If Russia made a move on them, we would respond in force, but we wouldn't be the instigator.

As much as it sucks, Ukraine is not the same as protecting a fellow NATO member. The fact we've declined to create a no-fly zone bears that out. No one in NATO wants to risk nuclear war, and I believe they're right.

So yes, I think playing chicken with a nuclear near-peer is far too risky. Russia will bleed itself dry in Ukraine, as long as we keep supporting the Ukrainians.

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
18. No, it's telling Russia there are limits
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 07:15 PM
Mar 2022

Right now western Ukraine is hundreds of miles from Russian forces, much farther than the capitals of the Baltic states are from the Russian border.

What's to stop us from signing a treaty now with Ukraine stating that we would protect those western portions of the country? That would be declaring to Russia that total aggression in Ukraine is off the table. It's totally analogous to our promise to protect the Baltic states.

Also, do you think constantly increasing arm supplies and imposing devastating economic sanctions also aren't increasing the risk of WWIII?

It's foolish to think that our current actions are risk free since Putin has already declared that our sanctions alone are akin to declaring war.

A protracted escalating face off using the Ukrainian people as our proxies carries the same risks as what I am proposing and would also lead to tens of thousands of preventable deaths and profound economic consequences over years, possibly longer.

And unlike declaring a no-fly zone, my proposal does not put the US and Nato into immediate conflict with Russia, we don't have to immediately start taking offensive actions to engage Russian forces currently in combat.

By having the US and NATO declare that there are limits to how much aggression we are willing to stomach in Ukraine it will make the Russian military and political leadership factor the consequences into their calculations.

I believe it would be a sobering moment for Russia and, who knows, might even lead to Russia removing Putin from power.

And on a crass domestic political note, I hate to point out that an ongoing war in Ukraine causing an economic recession would mean not only would the Republicans sweep to victory in the 2022 midterm elections but also probably win the White House in 2024. It's not like there's all the time in the world to "slowly bleed" Russia into submission.

bucolic_frolic

(43,144 posts)
12. Volker's interest rate hikes brought inflation down, wage-price freeze just delays the inevitable
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:32 PM
Mar 2022

and some economists insisted at the time that they made inflation worse because unions and workers demanded bigger hikes after the freeze.

hibbing

(10,098 posts)
14. I'm getting close to wanting to retire
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:45 PM
Mar 2022

These losses are killing me, I know it goes up and it goes down, but dang bad timing for me.

Peace

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
17. I was forced into retirement in early 2020 ......
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 07:11 PM
Mar 2022

when my employer closed the plant I was at and shipped the jobs to Mexico. And yeah, I'm starting to get concerned since my entire retirement is in IRAs.

But with all that's happening in Ukraine right now I have to keep reminding myself that I'm still a hell of a lot better off than millions of Ukrainians.

progree

(10,904 posts)
15. S&P 500 closed down 12.4% from its Jan. 3 all-time high
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 06:49 PM
Mar 2022

Well into correction territory (which starts at 10% down), but well short of a bear market (which begins at 20% down).

Still, 12.4% down means for every $8 an S&P 500 investor had on Jan 3, they now have $7. (Not including dividends, expenses, and taxes).

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
19. I've been expecting a major correction for quite a while.
Mon Mar 7, 2022, 11:42 PM
Mar 2022

I think that equities have been overpriced for a while due to low interest rates. Bull markets don't last forever.

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