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AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 04:45 PM Mar 2022

Russian Orthodox Church Leader Blames Invasion on Ukraine's 'Gay Pride'

Source: Newsweek

A major religious leader in Russia has come out in support of the invasion of Ukraine and laid the blame on the support of gay rights.

Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, during a Sunday sermon called Russia's "military operation" in Ukraine a conflict over "which side of God humanity will be on" between Russia and Western countries that embrace more progressive values. In particular, he called attention to Ukraine's support of gay rights and the presence of gay pride parades, The Moscow Times reported.

"Pride parades are designed to demonstrate that sin is one variation of human behavior," Kirill said during the sermon. "That's why in order to join the club of those countries, you have to have a gay pride parade."

The church leader characterized pride parades as "loyalty tests," and said that countries looking to ally with Western powers must embrace them or be shunned. Further, he claimed that the breakaway regions of Ukraine at the heart of the current conflict, collectively known as Donbas, have "fundamentally rejected" such values.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/russian-orthodox-church-leader-blames-invasion-ukraines-gay-pride-1685636



Holy crap! Right, because gay rights and fascism always go together. Russian idiots need to get their story "straight".
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Russian Orthodox Church Leader Blames Invasion on Ukraine's 'Gay Pride' (Original Post) AntiFascist Mar 2022 OP
Calling him a POS would be an insult to shit everywhere BeyondGeography Mar 2022 #1
Well, TBF he does sound like a good Republican, Florida version NotHardly Mar 2022 #14
Are these guys even a real thing? They sound almost as repulsive as our crazy religious jerks. Magoo48 Mar 2022 #58
Sacred feces! patphil Mar 2022 #2
Bravo, so well said. I was raised Christian to know a loving God, but agree with you. txwhitedove Mar 2022 #27
Being gay in whichever way was how God meant you to be. overleft Mar 2022 #55
Their "god" is one of hate and darkness. patphil Mar 2022 #59
Not suprisng. nycbos Mar 2022 #3
I was wondering when the Jews were going to be blamed for this. Ray Bruns Mar 2022 #61
No different than one of the religious leaders giving praise to the Iraq War or the Rwanda Genocide ck4829 Mar 2022 #4
What The Absolute Fuck? GB_RN Mar 2022 #5
I don't suppose it will do any good to point out he;s the one who's wearing a dress Warpy Mar 2022 #6
Russia and the GOP have similar talking points. sarcasmo Mar 2022 #7
Yep. Some US states talk the same way. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #53
Uh huh.. Nice Shit religion Cha Mar 2022 #8
Invading a country because they have gay rights sounds pretty fascist to me IronLionZion Mar 2022 #9
Really? Aussie105 Mar 2022 #10
First it was "denazification," then they blamed Jews, now it's gays Grokenstein Mar 2022 #11
Why is it Gays are always the reason Thiest Roc2020 Mar 2022 #12
Nah, gays only get noticed when they can't gain any traction Warpy Mar 2022 #18
It's common sense. Dr. Strange Mar 2022 #65
"practically a subsidiary, a sister company of the KGB" dalton99a Mar 2022 #13
Interesting...note also the KGB history of anti-Zionist propaganda... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #23
Ain't it funny how deeply ingrained Soviet/Russian propaganda is in our society? Behind the Aegis Mar 2022 #43
Finish the war quickly: dickthegrouch Mar 2022 #15
Oh, what a good idea! LOL! n/t EndlessWire Mar 2022 #46
Religion and religious figures need to quit bashing anyone that is out of the normal SWBTATTReg Mar 2022 #16
Not when it's working so well for them.. mountain grammy Mar 2022 #29
Another confirmation that I made the right move to give up religion decades ago Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 #17
They really need to get their stories straight rpannier Mar 2022 #19
Is this what's he's talking about? orwell Mar 2022 #20
He actually has a point about pride parades as a loyalty test ... TomWilm Mar 2022 #21
Jesus had a thing or two to say about hypocrites, but colorado_ufo Mar 2022 #34
And that is my favorite quote from the bible to gaybashers ... TomWilm Mar 2022 #50
Orthodox JIHAD ffr Mar 2022 #22
Oh yeah! Killing children for God! Beausoleil Mar 2022 #24
I'm still puzzled what gay people ever did to these people - both the Russians and the GOP. Biophilic Mar 2022 #25
I think they are playing games to try and stir up the former "religious right" within the US... AntiFascist Mar 2022 #35
I hear you and I suspect you are right, but it is just plan evil. Biophilic Mar 2022 #38
"And I hope that Anita Bryant never, ever does one of my songs." Buffet n/t EndlessWire Mar 2022 #47
Well now.. Guess that gives Putin the right mountain grammy Mar 2022 #26
Right? I had same thought. WTF, how does that justify slaughter and mayhem? txwhitedove Mar 2022 #28
I believe this is coming from the pulpit of many American churches mountain grammy Mar 2022 #32
The Russian Orthodox Church has been a toady to the secular authorities for centuries... regnaD kciN Mar 2022 #30
Good to know! n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #36
yet another ugly religion RussBLib Mar 2022 #31
Church leaders are reactionary forces none too pleased at losing their power bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #33
Michael Smerconish had a caller on his SiriusXM program TrogL Mar 2022 #37
CURING UKRAINE OF ITS GAY NAZIS nvme Mar 2022 #39
WE GAY NAZIS ARE THE DOWNFALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION nvme Mar 2022 #40
LOL SunSeeker Mar 2022 #42
Sick scumbag. SunSeeker Mar 2022 #41
... Behind the Aegis Mar 2022 #44
religious nutcases Skittles Mar 2022 #45
Remember that laundry list of people they EndlessWire Mar 2022 #48
So, they have their own Pat Robertson. Samrob Mar 2022 #49
FFS! Duppers Mar 2022 #51
Ridiculous! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #52
Fuck him .... with a splintered cricket bat VWolf Mar 2022 #54
Fascism, including hatred of LGBT, is now the foundation of so many religious organizations. Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2022 #56
Putin in a dress? lark Mar 2022 #57
as Franklin Graham nods his head in approval DBoon Mar 2022 #60
What better PR for Gay Pride than some bearded fogy in a weird hat attacking it? Martin68 Mar 2022 #62
Sounds like Putin's Pope. n/t Permanut Mar 2022 #63
Says the old man decked out in a floor length velvet gown, gold trim, Jetheels Mar 2022 #64

Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
58. Are these guys even a real thing? They sound almost as repulsive as our crazy religious jerks.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 11:07 AM
Mar 2022

Historically, religion generally a boil on humanity’s ass.

patphil

(6,173 posts)
2. Sacred feces!
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 04:47 PM
Mar 2022

I find it amazing that humanity is so concerned about sexual activity being done only the way God wanted it to be. As if they knew what that was.
The only place where two sexes are needed for reproduction is in physical, 3D bodies.
Angels don't procreate; they aren't divided into male and female. Their Holy Spirit is created directly by God.
So why all the fuss? Doesn't love come from God? If two people want to share their love for each other, why would God condemn them?
After all, love is love isn't it?
Again, it's only down here where love can be judged as wrong...by humans, not God.
Religious leaders should stop putting their words in God's mouth.
Unfortunately, beings of darkness often masquerade as holy people so they can get all self-righteous on someone's ass and then claim God says they can.

More harm has been done on this planet in the name of God than for any other reason.
If God were able to be pissed, I would imagine s/he would be.
But I would genuinely be concerned that God might decide that humanity has gone far enough and direct the Sun go nova. Sort of like erasing the cosmic blackboard.

overleft

(356 posts)
55. Being gay in whichever way was how God meant you to be.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 10:33 AM
Mar 2022

Just like the abortion issue, I do not understand the obsession with something Jesus did not find important enough to even mention. He, however, said as you mentioned to love your neighbor as yourself. That being true, whom do these ignorant religious zealots worship? It is not the God that is taught by His Son Jesus.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
3. Not suprisng.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 04:48 PM
Mar 2022

Yesterday white supremacist were blaming the Jews for the war. As a Jew I know that train is never late.

I figured it was only matter of time before gay people were blamed too.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
6. I don't suppose it will do any good to point out he;s the one who's wearing a dress
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 04:51 PM
Mar 2022

Believe what you want, but honestly, there's no fraud lile an old religious fraud.

IronLionZion

(45,438 posts)
9. Invading a country because they have gay rights sounds pretty fascist to me
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 04:59 PM
Mar 2022

Is the plan to bomb the gay out of them?

Aussie105

(5,395 posts)
10. Really?
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:02 PM
Mar 2022

When you think about it, it's so damn obvious! /sarcasm

The again . . . old man shouting at clouds?

BUT I'm wondering . . . the Jewish Space Lasers could come in handy now, they are needed but seem strangely inactive.
They should be able to target each and every Russian weapon of war.

So, over to you, MTG, what's up there?

Roc2020

(1,616 posts)
12. Why is it Gays are always the reason Thiest
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:14 PM
Mar 2022

blame for world catastrophic events? Could the reason be preacher man that Mankind is simply wicked arrogant corrupt and greedy?

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
18. Nah, gays only get noticed when they can't gain any traction
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:36 PM
Mar 2022

ranting about how "da Jooz" control everything.

Fucking fascists are nothing if not 0redictable.

Uppity women are on the list, too, just a little farther down.

Dr. Strange

(25,921 posts)
65. It's common sense.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 06:18 PM
Mar 2022

Gays cause invasions and lesbians cause earthquakes. Pretty simple if you think about it.

dalton99a

(81,485 posts)
13. "practically a subsidiary, a sister company of the KGB"
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:18 PM
Mar 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church

Beginning in the late 1980s, under Mikhail Gorbachev, the new political and social freedoms resulted in many church buildings being returned to the church, to be restored by local parishioners. A pivotal point in the history of the Russian Orthodox Church came in 1988, the millennial anniversary of the Christianization of Kievan Rus'. Throughout the summer of that year, major government-supported celebrations took place in Moscow and other cities; many older churches and some monasteries were reopened. An implicit ban on religious propaganda on state TV was finally lifted. For the first time in the history of the Soviet Union, people could see live transmissions of church services on television.

Gleb Yakunin, a critic of the Moscow Patriarchate who was one of those who briefly gained access to the KGB archive documents in the early 1990s, argued that the Moscow Patriarchate was "practically a subsidiary, a sister company of the KGB".[44] Critics charge that the archives showed the extent of active participation of the top ROC hierarchs in the KGB efforts overseas.[45][46][47][48][49][50] George Trofimoff, the highest-ranking US military officer ever indicted for, and convicted of, espionage by the United States and sentenced to life imprisonment on 27 September 2001, had been "recruited into the service of the KGB"[51] by Igor Susemihl (a.k.a. Zuzemihl), a bishop in the Russian Orthodox Church (subsequently, a high-ranking hierarch—the ROC Metropolitan Iriney of Vienna, who died in July 1999[52]).

Konstanin Kharchev, former chairman of the Soviet Council on Religious Affairs, explained: "Not a single candidate for the office of bishop or any other high-ranking office, much less a member of Holy Synod, went through without confirmation by the Central Committee of the CPSU and the KGB".[48] Professor Nathaniel Davis points out: "If the bishops wished to defend their people and survive in office, they had to collaborate to some degree with the KGB, with the commissioners of the Council for Religious Affairs, and with other party and governmental authorities".[53] Patriarch Alexy II, acknowledged that compromises were made with the Soviet government by bishops of the Moscow Patriarchate, himself included, and publicly repented of these compromises.[54]

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
23. Interesting...note also the KGB history of anti-Zionist propaganda...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:03 PM
Mar 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_anti-Zionism

Soviet anti-Zionism was an anti-Semitic propaganda doctrine promulgated in the Soviet Union during the course of the Cold War, which intensified after the 1967 Six-Day War. It was officially sponsored by the department of propaganda of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and by the KGB. It alleged that Zionism was a form of racism, and argued that Zionists were similar to Nazis.

Behind the Aegis

(53,956 posts)
43. Ain't it funny how deeply ingrained Soviet/Russian propaganda is in our society?
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 01:13 AM
Mar 2022

Funny as in scary, not "haha" funny.

dickthegrouch

(3,173 posts)
15. Finish the war quickly:
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:25 PM
Mar 2022

We should threaten to send all their handsome muscly soldiers home gay.
That's our MO anyway isn't it (according to those idiots).
If it's such a threat, maybe they won't want to cross the border.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
16. Religion and religious figures need to quit bashing anyone that is out of the normal
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:28 PM
Mar 2022

in order to make their stupid ignorant claims, that is, bash some other human beings in order to proclaim their superiority over others.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
19. They really need to get their stories straight
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:38 PM
Mar 2022

With Tulsi its NATO
JD Vance said it was over wokeness
Alex Jones it was Soros and Transgender
This guy its gays

TomWilm

(1,832 posts)
21. He actually has a point about pride parades as a loyalty test ...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:52 PM
Mar 2022

... the main reason some ultra conservative parties in Denmark supports gay rights, is in the belief that it will irritate all our Muslims.



Patriarch Kirill is also known to be fully in the Kremlin's pocket, no support for peace from him. But lots of religious blessings for all the arms used in Ukraine. During a special service in 2007, the Russian Orthodox Church even consecrated the country’s nuclear arsenal, which has its own patron saint: St. Seraphim.

TomWilm

(1,832 posts)
50. And that is my favorite quote from the bible to gaybashers ...
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 04:27 AM
Mar 2022

Here is a full extraction of what Jesus said about homosexuality: "".

As for the other texts in the Bible, a closer examination of the context of Leviticus 18:22 show that the phrase “beds of a woman” is incorrectly translated as “as with a woman". The literal translation is “with a male, you shall not lie, beds of a woman; it is an abomination”.

This indicates that Leviticus 18:22 either condemn two men having sexual relations with the same woman, or a homosexual intercourse with a married man - and not homosexuality as such.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
22. Orthodox JIHAD
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 05:54 PM
Mar 2022

Putin JIHAD.

For what? Over what? All this murdering, for what?

They seem to have made a death pact and are ready to leave this world AND all too happy to take the rest of us with them. What spoiled little shits! Go fuck yourselves!

Biophilic

(3,652 posts)
25. I'm still puzzled what gay people ever did to these people - both the Russians and the GOP.
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 06:29 PM
Mar 2022

I've kept pretty good track of history and current events over the years and I haven't ever come across anything that gays have ever done to anyone else that would or should create this kind of a backlash. It's both so horrific and just plain weird.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
35. I think they are playing games to try and stir up the former "religious right" within the US...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 09:24 PM
Mar 2022

It all started with Reagan, Anita Bryant and continued with Pat Robertson, then Trump. "Evangelicals" have continued to support this bullshit and have been waiting for a comeback. Anti-Christians who are predicted in the bible itself!

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
32. I believe this is coming from the pulpit of many American churches
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:18 PM
Mar 2022

Pat Robertson basically said the same thing a few days ago..

The hell with recording teachers, we need to be recording preachers.. the real dangers to civilization.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
30. The Russian Orthodox Church has been a toady to the secular authorities for centuries...
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:16 PM
Mar 2022

First to the Tsars, and then even to the Bolsheviks (they were the "acceptable" church that always counseled their followers to respect the government, even as it was killing and imprisoning their clergy), and now to Pootie-Poot.

For what it's worth, they also cut off all ties to the wider Eastern Orthodox Churches after the Patriarch of Constantinople (the Orthodox equivalent of the Pope) decided to recognize the Ukrainian Orthodox Church as a separate entity, instead of insisting it remain under the control of Moscow. Right now, Patriarch Kirill is considered a schismatic by the rest of Orthodoxy.

RussBLib

(9,008 posts)
31. yet another ugly religion
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:16 PM
Mar 2022

so many flavors of religion. Obviously they all cannot be right. It is possible and probable they are all wrong.

bucolic_frolic

(43,156 posts)
33. Church leaders are reactionary forces none too pleased at losing their power
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 07:47 PM
Mar 2022

so they invent new demons to hoodwink the public

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
37. Michael Smerconish had a caller on his SiriusXM program
Tue Mar 8, 2022, 10:25 PM
Mar 2022

...proclaiming that due to "globalization" (dog whistle for 'Jewish banking conspiracy') all Western countries were corrupt and that Russia was the only Christian nation left as it had no homosexuals. Putin be praised.

nvme

(860 posts)
40. WE GAY NAZIS ARE THE DOWNFALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 12:02 AM
Mar 2022

MY BOA IS SCANDALOUS. I CAN TAKE DOWN A MIG WITH IT

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
41. Sick scumbag.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 01:10 AM
Mar 2022

He obviously doesn’t believe there is a Hell, otherwise he would be afraid he would burn in it for all eternity for his bigotry.

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
48. Remember that laundry list of people they
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 03:24 AM
Mar 2022

intend to purge if they win the war? That's what they will do if they win. A lot of people are going to be hurt for nothing.

I am tired of seeing idiots--plain men, ugly men who pretend to be religious or worshipping G-d when all it means is another branch of power, just another type of power. It enables them to hold power over other people. These are the "false prophets," people who have nothing to contribute except hate, spewing it out like their word means something. It does not.

Take away the robes and the hat, and this guy has nothing important to say. He isn't holy. He's just an old, white POS trying to convince everyone that he means something. I'll bet he can't get it up.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
51. FFS!
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 06:45 AM
Mar 2022

What are so many practicing Christians so obsessed with everyone's sexuality?? It's insane.

My mother & her mother were and they were nut cases.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
56. Fascism, including hatred of LGBT, is now the foundation of so many religious organizations.
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 10:44 AM
Mar 2022

Patriarch Krill is a hateful, fascist jackass.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
64. Says the old man decked out in a floor length velvet gown, gold trim,
Wed Mar 9, 2022, 06:14 PM
Mar 2022

and a hat more bejeweled than any drag queen ever.
Where does Newsweek dredge up these trash people from?

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