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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 07:44 PM Mar 2022

Russia is seizing Western-built airliners while sanctions block parts, maintenance, and support

Source: Business Insider

On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law that will allow Russian airlines to take control of hundreds of the Western-built planes leased from international firms, Russian news agency TASS reported, per The Wall Street Journal.

The jets will be added to the country's aircraft register and be deployed on domestic routes, according to Reuters. The news comes on the heels of the island of Bermuda revoking the airworthiness certificates for over 700 leased aircraft in Russia, which went into effect Saturday night. Russia had previously banned some international flights to keep the planes from being repossessed.

Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the EU has forced aircraft leasing companies to cancel their contracts with Russian airlines by March 28, meaning those foreign planes need to be returned to their owners.

However, Russian authorities and airlines have made the task difficult, and Putin is adding another obstacle.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-is-seizing-western-built-airliners-while-sanctions-block-parts-maintenance-and-support/ar-AAV33l2?li=BBnb7Kz



Putin's kleptocracy rolls on
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Russia is seizing Western-built airliners while sanctions block parts, maintenance, and support (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 OP
It will be interesting to see how many corp. entities SheltieLover Mar 2022 #1
The Soviet state airline used to be called COL Mustard Mar 2022 #5
I personally never would have. SheltieLover Mar 2022 #8
"Certainly not built for comfort" was the kindest thing I heard Warpy Mar 2022 #9
Aeroflop. Classic russian engineering! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #12
Routing commercial flights away from Russian airspace will look awkward. jaxexpat Mar 2022 #27
Koch Industries won't even leave now, cranking out the dark money pbmus Mar 2022 #6
What is the penalty? SheltieLover Mar 2022 #10
Long term exposure to unapologetic reality. jaxexpat Mar 2022 #28
Being paid in worthless rubles? SergeStorms Mar 2022 #30
Interested in seeing what it takes for Russians to turn against Putin IronLionZion Mar 2022 #2
Well, that works for awhile Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #3
They can take parts from other aircraft RockCreek Mar 2022 #15
Agreed Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #17
Even when this is over who will lease airplanes to Aeroflot? Gore1FL Mar 2022 #19
Who'll fly on Aeroflop? SergeStorms Mar 2022 #31
I don't think this was in the lease agreements. Karadeniz Mar 2022 #4
Seizing the planes because they can't pay for them FakeNoose Mar 2022 #7
Here is hoping they all fall out of the skies BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #11
How are we going to get all those republicans over there? MiHale Mar 2022 #26
Tell them Trump wants them to. jaxexpat Mar 2022 #29
Putin signed away any chance of russia becoming a viable economy under capitalism yaesu Mar 2022 #13
That's what he wants. Mr. Evil Mar 2022 #24
Too bad this doesn't happen to them. roamer65 Mar 2022 #14
Nonstop service Sherman A1 Mar 2022 #18
Not only a criminal regime but engaged in piracy as well. Ford_Prefect Mar 2022 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Comfortably_Numb Mar 2022 #20
Ban all Russian inbound and outbound flights from cstanleytech Mar 2022 #21
There are multiple problems here. James48 Mar 2022 #22
Russian airlines fly a mix amcgrath Mar 2022 #23
Airliners are owned by leasing/finance companies. Eugene Mar 2022 #25

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
1. It will be interesting to see how many corp. entities
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 07:47 PM
Mar 2022

Are willing to return to russia to do business when this is all over.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
5. The Soviet state airline used to be called
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 08:06 PM
Mar 2022

Aeroflop...and there was a reason for that. I'm sure there will be some flops coming in Russian airspace!

Seriously, what is Putin thinking? Who in the West is ever going to want to do business with Russia again, after this???

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
8. I personally never would have.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 08:21 PM
Mar 2022

Precisely like tfg, I detested putrid upon sight years ago. Zero tolerance for scum.

Refused a very competent fiduciary advisor because no env friendly, non-Russian/China investment programs.

Oh well. I hope the nice lady recalls our conversation now.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
9. "Certainly not built for comfort" was the kindest thing I heard
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 08:21 PM
Mar 2022

about Aeroflot back in the 80s and 90s when friends were flying over there. No wonder he wants to keep those leased planes.

Nobody's going to lease him anything else, ever again.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
27. Routing commercial flights away from Russian airspace will look awkward.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 08:56 AM
Mar 2022

The big trash dump and abandoned fueling station that is Russia's developed areas will be totally on them to contend with. Wouldn't want to be Russian for the next 20 years.

IronLionZion

(45,429 posts)
2. Interested in seeing what it takes for Russians to turn against Putin
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 07:58 PM
Mar 2022

As Oligarchs feel it in their bank accounts, they've been publicly calling for an end to the war. I'm sure more of them are doing it privately too.

RockCreek

(739 posts)
15. They can take parts from other aircraft
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 08:52 PM
Mar 2022

The size of the fleet will decrease over time, but could keep them going for a while.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
17. Agreed
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 09:00 PM
Mar 2022

Some of them can become Hanger Queens and provide parts to the ones kept flying, but as you said that only lasts for awhile.

SergeStorms

(19,195 posts)
31. Who'll fly on Aeroflop?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 09:07 AM
Mar 2022

An even bigger risk.

The world's oligarchs wouldn't want to chance flying corporate aircraft into Russia. Putin might seize them as well.

Pootie is painting himself into a corner.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
13. Putin signed away any chance of russia becoming a viable economy under capitalism
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 08:24 PM
Mar 2022

in other words he has guaranteed its return to communism.

Mr. Evil

(2,839 posts)
24. That's what he wants.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 12:11 AM
Mar 2022

All money and power centralized around and controlled by him. Why do you think russiapublicans are always screaming about communism? Well, with them it's always projection because that's what they want here. All money and power centralized and controlled at the top.

A loaf of bread every 5 days and a new pair of brown or black shoes every year.

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
21. Ban all Russian inbound and outbound flights from
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 09:33 PM
Mar 2022

ever landing or traveling through western airspace until the companies are completely compensated.

James48

(4,435 posts)
22. There are multiple problems here.
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 10:18 PM
Mar 2022

International aviation is built on trust. Now no one will be able to legally fly on any of those airlines, AND the future usability in the international aviation community is in jeopardy. In effect, Russian airlines all leased western financed jets; and the last week action was to cut off any and all spare parts, (jets breakdown quickly if there are no parts available), and now both registration and ownership is being contested.

The aviation market has never had this many aircraft yanked all at once out of international service. Once this war is over, I don’t see any way that these aircraft will ever be able to return to their real owners, and they won’t be able to be used for commercial service into the future. The clock is ticking now, and the longer they are not cared for properly, the worse it will be.

If they are out of the control of a ICAO approved registry, then it will be potentially difficult later to review and approve repairs done in this period, by unapproved people. This is more uncharted territory here.

amcgrath

(397 posts)
23. Russian airlines fly a mix
Mon Mar 14, 2022, 10:27 PM
Mar 2022

Of Boeing and Airbus. For Boeing, a 737 can be had for about $90m or a 777 for over $400m. So it’s fair to say, we are probably talking about at least $10b of stolen planes. - planes that will have no warranties if left inside Russia, since they will be serviced without parts from either company.

I don’t know how either companies structure their finances. But both make a range of pretty formidable UAVs and missiles - from short range, to ballistic. If I was looking at a $10b loss to my aircraft division, I might consider donating a few hundred million dollars worth of products from my defence division. Maybe a billion

Eugene

(61,872 posts)
25. Airliners are owned by leasing/finance companies.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 01:35 AM
Mar 2022

The figure is about $10 billion to be written off, with Irish companies holding one third to half of it.

Aircraft lessors face billions in write-offs as planes re-registered in Russia (Irish Times)

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