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demmiblue

(36,885 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:06 PM Mar 2022

U.S. Senate approves bill that would make Daylight Savings Time permanent in 2023

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, March 15 (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate voted unanimously on Tuesday to make Daylight Savings Time permanent, a move supporters say would make winter afternoons brighter and end the twice changing of clocks.

The measure still needs approval from the U.S. House of Representatives and the backing of President Joe Biden. On Sunday, most of the United States resumed Daylight Savings Time, moving ahead one hour. The United States will resume standard time in November 2022.

Senator Marco Rubio said after input from airlines and broadcasters that supporters agreed that the change would not take place until November 2023.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-that-would-make-daylight-savings-time-permanent-2023-2022-03-15/




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U.S. Senate approves bill that would make Daylight Savings Time permanent in 2023 (Original Post) demmiblue Mar 2022 OP
Sinema is excited about something completely meaningless AZLD4Candidate Mar 2022 #1
I'd like not to have it dark at 4:30. Hope this works out. n/t pnwmom Mar 2022 #3
Not the point I was trying to make AZLD4Candidate Mar 2022 #5
works for me. n/t hlthe2b Mar 2022 #2
That's so idiotic. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #4
After a day or two, we would get used to it though Polybius Mar 2022 #7
I never get used to it. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #9
Why? Polybius Mar 2022 #12
I never like getting up earlier than necessary. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #13
I have read that it was originally for train scheduling. fleabiscuit Mar 2022 #10
Standard time is for train scheduling. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #11
Doctors have hated it for years Javaman Mar 2022 #36
Changing back and forth is the problem. we can do it Mar 2022 #38
Another communist plot just like the designated hitter... what's this country coming to?!?!?!?!? groundloop Mar 2022 #6
Arizona does not have daylight saving time, so does that mean vsrazdem Mar 2022 #8
probably have to vote on it again to get back to standard time Blues Heron Mar 2022 #26
Please leave Arizona alone and do not force ChazII Mar 2022 #14
I remember an 8 a.m. sunrise as school opened. Eugene Mar 2022 #15
Yes, Gerald Ford tried this to help combat fuel usage during the Arab oil embargo. hadEnuf Mar 2022 #41
Hopefully this will finally push the EU into doing the same. OnDoutside Mar 2022 #16
This means the Sun will be due south at 1 p.m. Qutzupalotl Mar 2022 #17
They could have accomplished the exact same thing by requiring everything to open an hour earlier. bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #24
Would this mean that 1 would be noon and midnight and 12 would be 12 AM and 12 PM? marie999 Mar 2022 #29
I think it's the other way around. Qutzupalotl Mar 2022 #34
They always do the exact opposite of what I hoped bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #18
Exactly what I wanted. OK if it's dark in the AM, but I want some light at the end of the day. SharonAnn Mar 2022 #39
Tragic. Behind the Aegis Mar 2022 #19
My thoughts exactly. Why do something meaningful? AZLD4Candidate Mar 2022 #37
Schools should start an hour later instead of buses out in the dark each am wishstar Mar 2022 #20
WTG Patty Murray! rogue emissary Mar 2022 #21
I'm starting a business to adjust sundials. Ptah Mar 2022 #22
This was one of Nixon's greatest accomplishments. Couldn't they have just split the half hour? bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #25
So in other words no need to change clocks anymore? honest.abe Mar 2022 #23
A little hesitant to pass something we did before only to reverse within 9 months. Chakaconcarne Mar 2022 #27
can states opt out if they want? Blues Heron Mar 2022 #28
States have that option currently. Arizona opts out. Eugene Mar 2022 #30
But, but, but ... VWolf Mar 2022 #31
Oooo...sunrise at 9:00 a.m. GenThePerservering Mar 2022 #32
Now, decriminalize pot and we're a shoe in for the mid terms. paleotn Mar 2022 #33
A good thing, but then we have to remember all of the devices that are automatically set to SWBTATTReg Mar 2022 #35
Not this nonsense again. It was tried and failed 50 years ago. PSPS Mar 2022 #40

AZLD4Candidate

(5,755 posts)
5. Not the point I was trying to make
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:14 PM
Mar 2022

She comes on huge for something like this, but torpedoes more important things.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. That's so idiotic.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:13 PM
Mar 2022

Do they not get that no daylight is actually saved?

It would be better to just do away with it. The clock was originally intended to align with the day. Now Congress seems to think they control the rotation of the Earth. Give us back our one hour of sleep.

Polybius

(15,476 posts)
12. Why?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:29 PM
Mar 2022

Some people are still adjusting from Sunday, but you've been switching twice a year all of your life. You never get used to it?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. I never like getting up earlier than necessary.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:30 PM
Mar 2022

I just think it's idiotic to mess with people's physiology for no reason at all.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
10. I have read that it was originally for train scheduling.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:28 PM
Mar 2022

It's probably better not to have trains running into each other. Though I'm sure they they can overcome the time change in our more modern time.

vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
8. Arizona does not have daylight saving time, so does that mean
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:27 PM
Mar 2022

we set our clocks ahead when this goes into effect?

Blues Heron

(5,944 posts)
26. probably have to vote on it again to get back to standard time
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 04:28 PM
Mar 2022

great question, will be interesting to see how this experiment plays out.

Eugene

(61,948 posts)
15. I remember an 8 a.m. sunrise as school opened.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:44 PM
Mar 2022

Boston suburb, 1974. The idea is logical, but there are trade-offs.

hadEnuf

(2,212 posts)
41. Yes, Gerald Ford tried this to help combat fuel usage during the Arab oil embargo.
Wed Mar 16, 2022, 10:49 AM
Mar 2022

Didn't work out too well. Kids going to school in the pitch dark, more pedestrian accidents.

On edit: It was still Nixon in early 1974.

Qutzupalotl

(14,328 posts)
17. This means the Sun will be due south at 1 p.m.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 03:57 PM
Mar 2022

(give or take) and not noon (no gnomon), forever.

Unpopular take: they should make standard time permanent instead of daylight saving time.

bucolic_frolic

(43,287 posts)
24. They could have accomplished the exact same thing by requiring everything to open an hour earlier.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 04:10 PM
Mar 2022

I think.

Qutzupalotl

(14,328 posts)
34. I think it's the other way around.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 06:37 PM
Mar 2022

Local noon would be 1 p.m. and local midnight would be 1 a.m. Like summer in most areas.

Weird that Sinema is in favor of this, as her state would either have to adopt DST or be an outlier.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,755 posts)
37. My thoughts exactly. Why do something meaningful?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 08:06 PM
Mar 2022

Just pointless grandstanding.

Is daylight savings time such an important issue? It's not like we have a pandemic, a broken immigration system, gas price collusion and fixing, an imbalanced tax system, a multi-tiered justice system for different people, police misconduct, a teacher shortage, climate change, and a psychopath launching wars that seems intent on causing WW3 to deal with.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
20. Schools should start an hour later instead of buses out in the dark each am
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 04:04 PM
Mar 2022

at least where I am in western end of Eastern time zone. It's pitch dark again now under DST at 7am when school buses are running and many workers (as I used to be) have to drive to work in the dark. Never has made sense to me that parents and kids have to get up so early in the dark here and then be let off school so early at 2 and 3 pm.

In my 30 years on a job where I had to be there at 7 am, I always found it exhausting to change to DST each spring and so enjoyable and relaxing when Standard Time resumed each fall.

But being retired, I am not personally bothered and I understand why the millions of East Coasters further east in our time zone want more daylight in the evenings.

honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
23. So in other words no need to change clocks anymore?
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 04:07 PM
Mar 2022

I am all for that. I hate changing time twice a year.

Chakaconcarne

(2,462 posts)
27. A little hesitant to pass something we did before only to reverse within 9 months.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 04:39 PM
Mar 2022

Sounds good, but hopefully it's been thought through.

GenThePerservering

(1,838 posts)
32. Oooo...sunrise at 9:00 a.m.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 06:25 PM
Mar 2022

I guess it doesn't matter - I ended up commuting in the dark in the winter when the sun rose at 8:00 so it's always dark then, anyway. But I WANT THAT HOUR BACK, FIRST!

SWBTATTReg

(22,166 posts)
35. A good thing, but then we have to remember all of the devices that are automatically set to
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 07:31 PM
Mar 2022

adjust for daylight savings too, remember to deprogram them all, etc. One time, hopefully.

PSPS

(13,614 posts)
40. Not this nonsense again. It was tried and failed 50 years ago.
Tue Mar 15, 2022, 10:58 PM
Mar 2022

If anything, they should make standard time permanent.

From: https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/

Congress had voted on December 14, 1973, to put the US on daylight saving time for two years. President Nixon signed the bill the next day. The US had gone to permanent daylight saving time before, during World War II. Then, too, the measure was enacted to save fuel. Permanent DST wasn’t close to the wackiest idea about time floating around—Paul Mullinax, a geographer who worked at the Pentagon, came up with the idea of putting the continental US on a single time zone. “USA Time” would apply from Bangor to Barstow, eliminate jet lag, and standardize TV schedules. His idea even got traction in Congress, via a bill from US Representative Patsy Mink of Hawaii. “The human being is a very adaptive animal,” he said. “There is no reason we have to be a slave to the sun.”

And yet the early-morning darkness quickly proved dangerous for children: A 6-year-old Alexandria girl was struck by a car on her way to Polk Elementary School on January 7; the accident broke her leg. Two Prince George’s County students were hurt in February. In the weeks after the change, eight Florida kids were killed in traffic accidents. Florida’s governor, Reubin Askew, asked for Congress to repeal the measure. “It’s time to recognize that we may well have made a mistake,” US Senator Dick Clark of Iowa said during a speech in Congress on January 28, 1974. In the Washington area, some schools delayed their start times until the sun caught up with the clock.

The factual picture was a bit more complicated. The National Safety Council reported in February that pre-sunrise fatalities had risen to 20 from 18 the year before. In July, Roger Sant, then an assistant administrator-designate for the Federal Energy Administration, wrote a letter to the Post that noted a 1 percent energy saving achieved by going to DST equated to 20,000-30,000 tons of coal not being burned each day. Further, he wrote, accidents had fallen in the afternoons.

By August, though, as the Watergate scandal caused the Nixon administration to crumble, the country was ready to move on from its clock experiments. While 79 percent of Americans approved of the change in December 1973, approval had dropped to 42 percent three months later, the New York Times reported. Seven days after President Nixon resigned, US Senator Bob Dole of Kansas introduced an amendment in August that would end the DST experiment. It passed. A similar bill passed the House. In late September, the full Congress passed a bill that would restore standard time on October 27. President Ford signed it on October 5. Energy savings, a House panel noted, “must be balanced against a majority of the public’s distaste for the observance of Daylight Saving Time.”
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