Putin and Russian generals served notice by British ambassador they'll be tried for war crimes
Source: rawstory.com
Appearing on MSNBC's "The Sunday Show," the British ambassador to the U.S. made it clear that Russian President Vladimir Putin should be held to account for war crimes and send served notice to every Russian general that they will be won't be let off the hook for their actions in Ukraine.
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After Pierce stated, "The Russians have taken no account of civilians, this is why people believe that they may have committed war crimes, and that all needs investigating," host Capehart asked, "I picked up on a bit of language that you used there about Putin being accused of war crimes. President Biden has said flat-out that Putin is a war criminal. Secretary of State Antony Blinken also said the same thing. Why has Prime Minister Johnson not gone that far? Does he not believe that President Putin is a war criminal?"
'What the prime minister has said is that what's happened on the ground in Ukraine may well amount to war crimes," the ambassador retorted. "And for that reason we've sponsored a decision at the International Criminal Court to launch an investigation into what's happened on the ground."
"If I may, Jonathan, I do want to stress one point: it's that it won't just be President Putin who will be responsible for war crimes if that's what the investigation shows," she continued. "It will be every single Russian general involved in Ukraine. They will be personally accountable if war crimes are committed, that's a matter of law, it's not just my opinion."
Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/putin-generals-ukraine/
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OAITW r.2.0
(24,339 posts)Glad to see people getting comfortable with calling Putin a war criminal.
Has anyone asked Trump if he agree's with President Biden's assessment of Putin's character? Love to his on-the-record comments.
BigmanPigman
(51,571 posts)When someone is a war criminal do they have to go to The Hague? Do they show up in person? Do they actually go to jail? What happens if Putin blows this off. He doesn't give a shit about being seen as a murderous criminal, in fact he prides himself on this character defect. No one can go into Moscow and put Putin in handcuffs. So what does this really mean for Putin?
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)Similar to US courts, the prosecutor presents their case to a judge and if the judge finds probable cause an arrest warrant is issued. The home country of the accused is tasked with making arrests and transporting the accused to the Hague for trial. The ICC has their own jail/detention facility.
I think most people assume the ICC legal process would only occur once Putin is no longer in power. If he is overthrown and goes into hiding, I'm sure someone will copy the Israeli's playbook and hunt him down and bring him to trial.
BigmanPigman
(51,571 posts)and it says that both the US and Russia didn't rarify it. Can Putin still be charged?
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)To try him,
former9thward
(31,949 posts)That THEY were a part of. Did they hope no one noticed?
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Albeit, Iraq occupied Kuwait. Zelenskyy isn't waging genocide against an ethic minority or gassing his people, FCS!!
former9thward
(31,949 posts)That was UN approved.
2003 was not.
Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan
The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter. In an interview with the BBC World Service broadcast last night, he was asked outright if the war was illegal. He replied: "Yes, if you wish."
He then added unequivocally: "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq
Rotten apples and rotten apples
bluewater
(5,376 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,477 posts)War crime:
Illegal War (crime of aggression):
former9thward
(31,949 posts)There were massive civilian killings in WW II. Need I point them out? And not to speak of Vietnam. In Iraq and Afghanistan anyone was considered a "terrorist" so I guess they didn't count.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,477 posts)...did putler forget to says ooops after those murders?
An oddity, Ukraine signed the Rome Statue but didn't ratify. I'm confused.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)No mention of the UK's role as the preferred laundromat for russkies.
maxsolomon
(33,252 posts)GWB belongs in the Hague - I believe I said it a 100 times on DU in the last 20 years.
What the moral distinction that makes Russia's invasion a War Crime but Iraq isn't? It's based on lies just like Iraq was. It killed 100s of 1000s.
We (& the UK) don't have the moral standing to make this accusation. Maybe like Costa Rica or Iceland does.
ultralite001
(892 posts)Slobodan Milosevic was first indicted for war crimes in Kosovo by Louise Arbour, the Canadian chief prosecutor in The Hague, in March 1999. Arbour's successor, Swiss campaigner Carla Del Ponte, extended the charge sheet to include indictments on Croatia and Bosnia, in the latter case accusing him of genocide for his alleged collusion in the massacre of more than 7,000 Muslim males at Srebrenica in July 1995. That Milosevic ended up in the dock in The Hague was a surprise to many.
May the ICC have similar results prosecuting Putin's war crimes and other crimes against humanity... Putin and his generals must be brought to account.
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bluewater
(5,376 posts)But have chosen not to directly intervene.
So more innocent Ukrainians will die at the hands of the Russian invaders.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)can also just as easily be asserted. Are you saying you have a better plan than they do?
bluewater
(5,376 posts)I believe he knows more than you or I do from first hand experience.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And sanctions are likewise being applied incrementally, making clear that continuation of war on Ukraine will just become more costly with time.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Two officials in the city of Mariupol in southern Ukraine say about 1,300 civilians have been killed since the beginning of the Russian invasion.
The city was first shelled in the inception of the conflict and has been under attack for almost a week.
According to reports, Russia held 300k civilians, hostage, in Mariupol, preventing humanitarian evacuation despite agreements with ICRC mediation.
Preliminarily, 1,300 Mariupol residents have already died during the blockade genocide of the Russian Federation, Petr Andryushchenko, an adviser to the mayor of Mariupol, told the Ukrainian agency UNIAN.
https://abtc.ng/humanitarian-disaster-as-russia-kills-about-1300-civilians-in-mariupol-russian-forces-block-humanitarian-aid/
Does NATO and US assistance seem too little too late for the innocent civilians in Mariupol?
Seems so.
But I guess it's easier to be patient when one is hundreds and even thousands of miles away from the carnage.
Justice matters.
(6,921 posts)that NATO's Article 5 will be in effect IF they attack any position in ANY NATO country.
Unfortunately for Ukraine, they are NOT a NATO country, and US & NATO are NOT the world's POLICE.
Reality sucks, sometimes.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Ukraine is, in NATO's words, a "a NATO Enhanced Opportunities Partner".
As a NATO partner, Ukraine has provided troops to Allied operations, including in Afghanistan and Kosovo, as well as to the NATO Response Force and NATO exercises. Allies highly value these significant contributions, which demonstrate Ukraines commitment to Euro-Atlantic security.
As an Enhanced Opportunities Partner, Ukraine will benefit from tailor-made opportunities to help sustain such contributions. This includes enhanced access to interoperability programmes and exercises, and more sharing of information, including lessons learned.
This decision recognises Ukraines strong contributions to NATO missions, and demonstrates the Alliances continued commitment to its partnerships despite the COVID-19 pandemic, said NATO Spokesperson Oana Lungescu.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_176327.htm
Justice matters.
(6,921 posts)President Biden wants to do everything he can to prevent a from a "silent" Z submarine in the Atlantic to wipe out NY or/and DC in a sudden flash.
Got it? Doesn't even guarantee it won't happen any minute...
bluewater
(5,376 posts)If Putin has not started WWWIII over that AND the sanctions that will totally cripple his economy and topple him from power, why would you not think he's just bluffing and is laughing his ass off for scaring the pants off of NATO and the US?
Putin is one man. A dictator, true.
But it strains belief at this point that the Russian military would allow him to start a nuclear war.
Justice matters.
(6,921 posts)Personally, I think CIC Joe Biden and his team (DOD, CIA, et al...) have the correct informations in hand (some of them must be classified, which we are not privy to and it's the way it should be).
I think they are handling this crisis the best way they can and that they have succeeded to prevent the conflict from getting a lot worst than it already is.
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Economic sanctions, especially on oil imports, is what prompted the Japanese Empire to attack Pearl Harbor causing the US to enter WWII. There was no combat between American and Japanese forces before that.
So, if we are willing to risk war in that regard, I continue to feel, as does President Zelensky of Ukraine, that more should be done to defeat Russia now, thereby saving tens of thousands, if not more, of innocent civilian lives.
Thanks for the discussion.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,560 posts)It reminded me of Lyle Lovatt's Natural Forces
Now as I sit here safe at home
With a cold Coors Light and the tv on
All the sacrifice and the death and war
Lord I pray that I'm worth fighting for
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)Cha
(296,893 posts)Britian.
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