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BumRushDaShow

(128,406 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 04:45 PM Mar 2022

Biden Says Russia Should be Ejected from G20

Source: New York Times

BRUSSELS — President Biden said that Russia should be removed from the G20 group of industrialized and developing nations because of the country’s invasion of Ukraine, but said that if the member nations do not agree to the measure, then Ukraine should be allowed to participate in the group’s meetings in the future.“I raised the possibility” of ejecting Russia from the organization, Mr. Biden said Thursday during a news conference in Brussels as he met with other world leaders.

Such a move would echo the 2014 decision of a smaller group of the world’s largest economies to eject Russia from the G8 to punish it for its invasion and occupation of Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula. Mr. Biden’s comments came after a day of rare and intense global diplomacy in which the president and the leaders of 30 other nations participated in three back-to-back summits aimed at expressing solidarity in confronting Russia. He met with NATO and the G7; one final summit for the day, with the European Union, has just begun.

The NATO and G7 leaders announced new economic sanctions on Russia, additional aid for European countries dealing with the surge of refugees fleeing the violence in Ukraine, the deployment of more forces to NATO countries in Eastern Europe and grim preparations for the possibility that Russia might use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.Mr. Biden and the U.S. allies have moved with unexpected speed and authority over the past four weeks, rallying much of the world against President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

But the historic gathering of leaders on Thursday underscored how the United States and its allies have in some ways reached their self-imposed limits. The sense of stalemate on the battlefield is now also felt in the halls of diplomacy, where taking any dramatic new steps has proved to be difficult. Europeans have said they were not willing to bear the consequences of new sanctions on the Russian energy they depend on. And Mr. Biden has said he was not willing to commit troops to fight against Russia, fearful of provoking a bigger war.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/world/europe/biden-russia-g20.html



I did see several articles from yesterday that suggested that Putin had intentions to appear at the next G20 summit -

Putin still wants to attend G20 in Indonesia and ‘has China’s backing’


Shweta Sharma
13 hours ago


Vladimir Putin has reportedly expressed willingness to attend the G20 summit later this year in Indonesia as China said Russia was an “important member,” in a pushback to the potential pressure building up to expel Moscow from the Bali event for its war on Ukraine. Russia’s ambassador to Indonesia Lyudmila Vorobieva said in a news conference that Mr Putin is willing to travel to Bali in November to attend the G20 summit. She said Russia should not be expelled over the Ukraine invasion as G20 is an economic forum.

"It will depend on many, many things, including the Covid situation, which is getting better. So far, his intention is... he wants to," she said. The G20 is the group of 20 of the world’s largest economies that coordinate and plan action on issues of the global economy and climate change. Mr Putin who has mostly avoided travel due to the Covid pandemic has signalled willingness at a time when it is facing opposition and a string of sanctions over its invasion of Ukraine.

This has put traditionally neutral Jakarta which currently holds the rotating G20 chair on a spot as Moscow’s presence at the event has the potential to lead to a boycott by other countries. The US and other Western nations are considering a possible move to exclude Russia from the G20, Reuters reported, citing sources involved in the discussions.

On Tuesday, Poland said that it had suggested to the US officials that it can replace Russia in the group and that the suggestion received a "positive response". The push to expel Russia is likely to be vetoed by other key G20 nations, who are also Moscow’s allies, such as China, raising the pressure on Jakarta of a boycott of G20 by some other countries.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-g20-exclude-russia-indonesia-b2042046.html


That event is not scheduled to start until the end of October, so all kinds of things can happen between now and then - https://g20.org/g20-presidency-of-indonesia/
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Biden Says Russia Should be Ejected from G20 (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 OP
This will piss Putin off LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #1
I just updated the OP with an article about the next summit BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #5
Let him come to the summit... regnaD kciN Mar 2022 #8
YES! Meanwhile Russia threatens to end all life on Earth daily. FUCK THEM! ffr Mar 2022 #2
That will make it the G19 FakeNoose Mar 2022 #3
I believe the G8 still existed and met whenever they desired to have Russia participate BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #7
"Russia should be removed from the G20 group of industrialized and developing nations...." LiberalLovinLug Mar 2022 #4
Here is the current make up BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #11
Absolutely! SheltieLover Mar 2022 #6
MSNBC just said that it would have to be a unanimous decision BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #9
Then Just Boycot OhioTim Mar 2022 #10
After all of the sanctions, they aren't going to be in the top 20 economies, anyway. nt Gore1FL Mar 2022 #12
Shit. Mr. Evil Mar 2022 #13
Hell Yeah! Cha Mar 2022 #14
Kick ck4829 Mar 2022 #15
Why hasn't this happened yet? BlueIdaho Mar 2022 #16
Because of this guy BumRushDaShow Mar 2022 #17
moot point... catsudon Mar 2022 #18
Russia is there to block Democratic measures Weegee7 Mar 2022 #19

BumRushDaShow

(128,406 posts)
5. I just updated the OP with an article about the next summit
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 04:57 PM
Mar 2022

that is due to start October 31st this year in Jakarta.

I'm going to also assume that the G8 is now DOA.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
8. Let him come to the summit...
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:04 PM
Mar 2022

...then have the ICC announce war-crimes charges just as his plane is touching down, and arrest him as soon as he disembarks.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
2. YES! Meanwhile Russia threatens to end all life on Earth daily. FUCK THEM!
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 04:56 PM
Mar 2022

You're outta here, Putin! Until Russia is under stable leadership that doesn't threaten to end all life on Earth, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, they are not welcome in the civilized G20. That's the least we can do.

Thanks Joe Biden!

BumRushDaShow

(128,406 posts)
7. I believe the G8 still existed and met whenever they desired to have Russia participate
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:01 PM
Mar 2022

(i.e., it was no longer really "formal" )

But I just posted above that the configuration is now probably permanently DOA.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
4. "Russia should be removed from the G20 group of industrialized and developing nations...."
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 04:57 PM
Mar 2022

"...if the member nations do not agree to the measure, then Ukraine should be allowed to participate in the group’s meetings in the future."


Why not both?
That would really dig at Putin if he was both rejected from the G20, and also Zelensky was there at the next meeting in his place, even if just as an honorary member.

BumRushDaShow

(128,406 posts)
11. Here is the current make up
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 05:51 PM
Mar 2022
https://g20.org/about-the-g20/

PARTICIPANTS

The members of the G20 are: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the United Kingdom, the United States, and the European Union. Spain is also invited as a permanent guest.




I know I have posted this in other (unrelated) threads, but as a look at the GDPs of the world's economies, one might be able to see who might also be considered (most of Europe is generally covered under the "EU" slot) -



Since Nigeria is the most populated country on the continent of Africa and only a single country from that continent is on the list (South Africa, whose economy is actually smaller than Nigeria), perhaps Nigeria should be considered - particularly since they are producing nearly 1.5 million barrels of oil/day.

It becomes a bit tiresome to see a Europeans/Asians club only thing going on. There was an interesting analysis of this decision of who was "in" and who would be "out" from here (published in 2009) -

(snip)

There is no question that the world needs an informal, non-law-making, body that brings together finance ministers at regular intervals, several times a year (they all face a similar set of issues stemming from global financial connectivity). There is also no question that the expansion to the G20 represents a big improvement on the G7. Yet in the longer term the G20 is of uncertain viability. For one thing, it is too big to be effective in building personal relations and a sense of ownership (central bank governors as well as finance ministers often sit at the top table). To keep it from degenerating to little more than a photo opportunity it should have no more than about 15 principals. Second, however well the 20 member countries meet criteria of representativeness, the process by which they were selected was of questionable legitimacy, a reflex of the G7 world. They were selected in 1999 by Timothy Geithner at the US Treasury in a transatlantic telephone call with his counterpart at the German Finance Ministry, Caio Koch-Weser. Geithner and Koch-Weser went down the list of countries saying, Canada in, Spain out, South Africa in, Nigeria and Egypt out, and so on; they sent their list to the other G7 finance ministries; and the invitations to the first meeting went out.(15) Third, the G20 has no procedures for rotating membership; countries are in or out, permanently.

(snip)

Footnote (popup)
(15) - It was not quite as unilineal as this. Both principals had taken soundings from other governments before their telephone call. As one of the principals said, ‘We talked to the South Africans about their role in the continent’, after which they decided that South Africa would be the best country to represent it. (They did not similarly consult with the Nigerians or the Egyptians.) Personal communication.

https://academic.oup.com/cje/article/33/4/539/1734394

Mr. Evil

(2,825 posts)
13. Shit.
Thu Mar 24, 2022, 07:17 PM
Mar 2022

By the time that G20 meeting is supposed to take place I doubt that Russia would even qualify for the G57.

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