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Zorro

(15,722 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:20 PM Mar 2022

Satellite data shows entire Conger ice shelf has collapsed in Antarctica

Source: The Guardian

Nasa scientist says complete collapse of ice shelf as big as Rome during unusually high temperatures is ‘sign of what might be coming’

An ice shelf about the size of Rome has completely collapsed in East Antarctica within days of record high temperatures, according to satellite data.

The Conger ice shelf, which had an approximate surface area of 1,200 sq km, collapsed around 15 March, scientists said on Friday.

East Antarctica saw unusually high temperatures last week, with Concordia station hitting a record temperature of -11.8C on 18 March, more than 40C warmer than seasonal norms. The record temperatures were the result of an atmospheric river that trapped heat over the continent.

Ice shelves are extensions of ice sheets that float over the ocean, playing an important role in restraining inland ice. Without them, inland ice flows faster into the ocean, resulting in sea level rise.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/25/satellite-data-shows-entire-conger-ice-shelf-has-collapsed-in-antarctica

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Satellite data shows entire Conger ice shelf has collapsed in Antarctica (Original Post) Zorro Mar 2022 OP
But, hey! Let's keep bombing each other for oil profits... Justice matters. Mar 2022 #1
hard not to be a little cynical RussBLib Mar 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #3
When ice cubes melt in your scotch, the glass will not overflow. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2022 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Mar 2022 #5
Yes! Chin-Chin! JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2022 #6
The warmer the water, referring to the oceans and not a cocktail, MOMFUDSKI Mar 2022 #8
Oh, I love the overflowing drink argument Warpy Mar 2022 #9
Icebergs calved from a glacier could indeed raise the sea level. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2022 #10
An ice sheet averages 45% below sea level Warpy Mar 2022 #11
The part that's above the surface, yes, but IIRC most of this ice was already below water Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2022 #13
Check out my second post Warpy Mar 2022 #15
Winning ! TeamProg Mar 2022 #7
So the next big conflicts will be over access and control those ice covered oil reserves? Samrob Mar 2022 #12
K & R Duppers Mar 2022 #14
russian state media..... getagrip_already Mar 2022 #16

Justice matters.

(6,918 posts)
1. But, hey! Let's keep bombing each other for oil profits...
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:34 PM
Mar 2022

to benefit the ruling big-oil oligarchs! They so desperately need more billions each year. What would they do without them? Poor souls...

RussBLib

(9,003 posts)
2. hard not to be a little cynical
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 03:38 PM
Mar 2022

warning after warning and too little action

some people "get it," but massive special interests and corporations pretty much rule the day.

Far from what the Founding Fathers intended

Response to Zorro (Original post)

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
4. When ice cubes melt in your scotch, the glass will not overflow.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 04:15 PM
Mar 2022

Same with a floating ice shelf. If it breaks loose, if it melts, no change in sea level. It's the ice on land that will chang the shoreline.

But, in the name of climate science, I will pour a Bourbon-on-rocks and study the results. (I don't have any scotch) I think the sun is over the yardarm ...

Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #4)

MOMFUDSKI

(5,433 posts)
8. The warmer the water, referring to the oceans and not a cocktail,
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 05:16 PM
Mar 2022

the more SPACE it takes up. Molecules going faster . . .

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
9. Oh, I love the overflowing drink argument
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 05:51 PM
Mar 2022

Just top up the drink until it's at the rim of the glass, say that rim represents the current sea level. Then drop in an ice cube, splashing the drink all over them and say that's what happens when ice that's mostly above sea level splits off a glacier and into the ocean.

They'll cuss and run for a bathroom and stink like a distillery for the rest of the night, but they tend to get the point.

Serves them right for that stupid an argument.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
10. Icebergs calved from a glacier could indeed raise the sea level.
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 05:59 PM
Mar 2022

An ice shelf is already floating in the ocean, so if it breaks away from the continent, no change in sea level.

My overflowing drink experiment was a total failure. By the time the ice melted, the glass was almost empty. No matter, I feel just fine about the outcome.

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
11. An ice sheet averages 45% below sea level
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:09 PM
Mar 2022

(yes, I looked it up), so when it breaks off, it sinks so that 90% of it is below sea level, so yes, it raises sea level before and after it melts. My example still holds water. Your lap would hold booze.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
13. The part that's above the surface, yes, but IIRC most of this ice was already below water
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:10 PM
Mar 2022

Obviously this is alarming for myriad reasons, but 1900 sq km of ice melting that's probably not standing super tall over the water isn't going to make a difference to global levels.

But this is gonna happen over and over and over ...

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
15. Check out my second post
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 09:20 PM
Mar 2022

Ice shelf ice is not floating in water, it's mostly hanging over it. It will make a difference. It will be measured in fractions of millimeters, nothing dramatic. However, as ice shelves continue to collapse, it's cumulative.

The geologic record does have examples of sudden and dramatic sea level rising and falling. About all I can think of that would cause enough of a rise to be noticed by ordinary people along the coastline is dramatic melting in central Greenland followed by a glacial collapse that allows it to drain quickly. That's not outside the realm of possibility, but it's not going to happen any time soon.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
12. So the next big conflicts will be over access and control those ice covered oil reserves?
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 06:09 PM
Mar 2022

Russia sits over the worlds larges reserves but they can't get to it yet. But wait for it. Putin will be gone but who will take his place?
And what will OPEC be doing?

getagrip_already

(14,621 posts)
16. russian state media.....
Fri Mar 25, 2022, 10:32 PM
Mar 2022

will announce that the war in ukraine is aimed at stopping global warming. The use of the nukes will be an attempt to drop global temps.

It is all a part of vlads plan.

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