Russia promises to scale down operations; Ukraine proposes neutrality
Source: Reuters
ISTANBUL, March 29 (Reuters) - Russia promised at peace talks on Tuesday to drastically scale down its military operations around Kyiv and the northern Ukrainian city of Chernihiv, while Ukraine proposed neutral status with international guarantees to protect it from attack. Ukrainian negotiators said they had proposed a status under which their country would not join alliances or host bases of foreign troops, but would have its security guaranteed in terms similar to "Article 5", the collective defence clause of NATO.
They identified Israel and NATO members Canada, Poland and Turkey as countries that could help provide such guarantees. The proposals would include a 15-year consultation period on the status of Russian-annexed Crimea, and could come into force only in the event of a complete ceasefire, the Ukrainian negotiators told reporters in Istanbul.
Russian Deputy Defence Minister Alexander Fomin said Russia had decided to scale down fighting near Kyiv and Chernihiv to create the conditions for dialogue. Top Russian negotiator Vladimir Medinsky said he would examine the Ukrainian proposals and report on them to President Vladimir Putin.
The talks held in Istanbul on Tuesday were the first face-to-face meeting between the sides since March 10. Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, and has failed to capture any major Ukrainian cities after meeting fierce resistance. Ukraine's proposals were the most detailed and concrete that Kyiv has aired publicly.
Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-sets-ceasefire-goal-new-russia-talks-breakthrough-looks-distant-2022-03-29/
April 4 = $2.2 billion payment due - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russia-will-likely-default-with-april-4-payment-due-of-2-2-billion-experts-say-01648317115
IronLionZion
(45,430 posts)and their oligarchs are probably pressuring Putin because they want their yachts and mansions back
oldsoftie
(12,531 posts)PatSeg
(47,405 posts)Meanwhile, they are trying to negotiate as if they are winning. "We won't hit you quite so hard if you agree to our terms"?
Also, how do you negotiate in good faith with someone who lies?
PortTack
(32,757 posts)These soldiers arent coming home...not even their bodies!!
Johnny2X2X
(19,047 posts)If Russia thinks they're getting any relief after all they've done just by scaling back their invasion, they've got another thing coming.
If they completely withdrew starting next week, sanctions will not be eased until the Fall. Their economy is toast for years.
Traildogbob
(8,716 posts)Ooopski! Our bad. Sorry about your country burned to the ground. Lets look forward, like AmurKKKa leaders always do after attacking their Own country. You can not prosecute a sitting or ex president, right AmurKKKa.
Lovie777
(12,237 posts)Ukraine is pushing the Russian military back, further and further so this gesture of scaling down is somewhat bullshit. That said I'm pretty sure Ukraine welcomes the news and "promise" to do so.
BumRushDaShow
(128,872 posts)I posted this in another thread regarding what it would have taken him to do what he was supposedly trying to do (without using nukes to "cheat" ) - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2894918
Here is a map for comparison -
The small blue circle is around Kuwait. The red oval is around the bottom 2/3rds of Ukraine.
Putin has been attempting to take the entirety of Ukraine with perhaps somewhere south of 200,000 troops.
Ray Bruns
(4,093 posts)samsingh
(17,595 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,293 posts)read as "our army got wrecked and we can't replace it."
bucolic_frolic
(43,133 posts)which do have a track record
NBachers
(17,107 posts)malthaussen
(17,187 posts)... in exchange for a polite fiction from Ukraine.
-- Mal
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,872 posts)BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)With no chance of Russia returning to G7(8) replacement in G20 and removal from UN Security Council.
dalton99a
(81,455 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,093 posts)I don't think they will accept the Russians occupying 20% of their country.