FDA authorizes second coronavirus booster shot for people 50 and older
Source: Washington Post
The Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday authorized a second booster shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna coronavirus vaccines for people 50 and older, a decision intended to help shore up protection against severe illness.
The shots, which can be given at least four months after a first booster dose, are not a permanent solution to the pandemic. But with a still-more-transmissible version of the omicron coronavirus variant becoming dominant in the United States, even a short-term immunity boost among those at risk of severe illness could provide a valuable layer of protection.
The second booster is expected to become available immediately after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reaches a decision on who should get it.
The CDC is expected to say that people in the age group may get a fourth shot, instead of an explicit recommendation that they do so, a reflection of the ongoing debate about the benefits of additional doses and uncertainties about the future of the pandemic. The agency is also expected to highlight vulnerable populations within the age group who may get the shot.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/03/29/fda-authorizes-second-booster-shot/
Once CDC signs off, then it will be a done deal. It was already authorized for certain ages and conditions previously.
Here is the FDA Press Release - https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-second-booster-dose-two-covid-19-vaccines-older-and
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Second Booster Dose of Two COVID-19 Vaccines for Older and Immunocompromised
For Immediate Release: March 29, 2022
Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration authorized a second booster dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Moderna COVID-19 vaccines for older people and certain immunocompromised individuals. The FDA previously authorized a single booster dose for certain immunocompromised individuals following completion of a three-dose primary vaccination series. This action will now make a second booster dose of these vaccines available to other populations at higher risk for severe disease, hospitalization and death. Emerging evidence suggests that a second booster dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine improves protection against severe COVID-19 and is not associated with new safety concerns.
The agency amended the emergency use authorizations as follows:
A second booster dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine or Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine may be administered to individuals 50 years of age and older at least 4 months after receipt of a first booster dose of any authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine. A second booster dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine may be administered to individuals 12 years of age and older with certain kinds of immunocompromise at least 4 months after receipt of a first booster dose of any authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine. These are people who have undergone solid organ transplantation, or who are living with conditions that are considered to have an equivalent level of immunocompromise. A second booster dose of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine may be administered at least 4 months after the first booster dose of any authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine to individuals 18 years of age and older with the same certain kinds of immunocompromise.
Current evidence suggests some waning of protection over time against serious outcomes from COVID-19 in older and immunocompromised individuals. Based on an analysis of emerging data, a second booster dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccine could help increase protection levels for these higher-risk individuals, said Peter Marks, M.D., Ph.D., director of the FDAs Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. Additionally, the data show that an initial booster dose is critical in helping to protect all adults from the potentially severe outcomes of COVID-19. So, those who have not received their initial booster dose are strongly encouraged to do so.
Todays action applies only to the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines and the authorization of a single booster dose for other age groups with these vaccines remains unchanged. The agency will continue to evaluate data and information as it becomes available when considering the potential use of a second booster dose in other age groups.
The FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and the FDA-approved Comirnaty can be used to provide the authorized booster dose(s). Similarly, the FDA-authorized Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and the FDA-approved Spikevax are authorized to provide the authorized booster dose(s).
Information to Support Authorization of a Second COVID-19 Booster Dose
The FDA has determined that the known and potential benefits of a second COVID-19 vaccine booster dose with either of these vaccines outweigh their known and potential risks in these populations. The evidence considered for authorization of a second booster dose following primary vaccination and first booster dose included safety and immune response information provided to the agency as well as additional information on effectiveness submitted by the companies.
A summary of safety surveillance data provided to the FDA by the Ministry of Health of Israel on the administration of approximately 700,000 fourth (second booster) doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine given at least 4 months after the third dose in adults 18 years of age and older (approximately 600,000 of whom were 60 years of age or older) revealed no new safety concerns.
The safety of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, when administered as a second booster dose, is informed by experience with the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and safety information reported from an independently conducted study in which the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine was administered as a second booster dose to 120 participants 18 years of age and older who had received a two-dose primary series and a first booster dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine at least 4 months prior. No new safety concerns were reported during up to three weeks of follow up after the second booster dose.
Immunogenicity data from an ongoing, open-label, non-randomized clinical study in healthcare workers at a single center in Israel were reported in a publication provided to the FDA. In this study, individuals 18 years of age and older who had received primary vaccination and a first booster dose with Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine were administered a second booster dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (154 individuals) or Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine (120 individuals) at least four months after the first booster dose. Among these individuals, increases in neutralizing antibody levels against SARS-CoV-2 virus, including delta and omicron variants were reported two weeks after the second booster as compared to 5 months after the first booster dose.
The amendments to the EUAs to include a second booster dose for these populations were granted to Pfizer Inc. and ModernaTX Inc.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)YMMV.
CommonHumanity
(246 posts)progree
(10,901 posts)Emile
(22,669 posts)as it's available!
iluvtennis
(19,849 posts)orleans
(34,049 posts)the walgreens website isn't set up for this second booster for people 50 and over (i'm over 50 btw)
but i just called and she told me i can just walk in and get it
now, should i get moderna or pfizer?
wnylib
(21,430 posts)After April 6, they will not be free. I contacted my insurance company, United Healthcare. They said that they will not cover it unless it has a RECOMMENDATION from the CDC. But CDC will not recommend it. They will only give "approval" for those who want it.
In other words, the availability of the booster will be limited to people who can pay the full cost of the shot or who have insurance coverage and money for the co-pay.
And that is IF you find a pharmacy to give the booster. I have contacted Rite Aid and CVS. They will give boosters ONLY if the CDC recommends it. But CDC will just "approve" and not "recommend."
Pharmacies are concerned about payment. They know that government funds will be gone in a week. They know that insurance companies will not want to cover it and will use the lack of CDC recommendation to deny it.
So stock up on masks, sanitizer, hand wipes, and whatever else you need before B.2 becomes the next wave. Congress, CDC, insurance companies, and the general public have decided that covid is over. They are moving on.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)mine were so early i'm more than 6 months past booster #1. A relative proudly stated last week to be anti-Vaxx, doesn't want that in her body, "trusts God will see me through this as he has so far", and that this family has a powerful streak of "denial for generations". Yeah, I think so.
Cousin ghosted. Can't deal with it. I'm like the Tiedrich quote last night, I passed a law no interactions with the un-Vaxxed if possible, and no Republicans in my bathroom.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)to discuss general vaccination strategies (hopefully beyond what they are doing now). I would preferably like to see a "biannual" type of thing (with the hope to get it down to "annual" like the flu shot), so that it becomes "a habit".
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,645 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)are a "new and improved" formula and seems to work best on other members of the household -
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LetMyPeopleVote
(145,129 posts)It may be time for my next booster
progree
(10,901 posts)One J&J shot and a half-dose of Moderna (that's the "booster" ), and I'm technically "vaxxed and boosted", but I sure don't feel that way at all, no matter what the Covid bubbly-boo brigade tries to tell me.
So am glad to have an opportunity to get something more than that, at last.
orleans
(34,049 posts)b/c their website isn't set up for these new 50 and over appointments
wnylib
(21,430 posts)unless the CDC recommends it
Sure, lots of pharmacies are doing walk-ins. They are for children not vaccinated yet, and people getting their first booster or a second booster ONLY IF they are immunocompromised.
NO pharmacies in my area are doing second boosters based only on age.
orleans
(34,049 posts)but the person i spoke to in the pharmacy sounded like "come on in" -- i think they spoke too soon
wnylib
(21,430 posts)Ability to get the second booster then will depend on insurance coverage. My insurance company says it will only cover a second booster IF it gets a CDC recommendation. Just "approval if you want it" is not enough for them to cover it.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)NT
wnylib
(21,430 posts)But when I called the pharmacies, they were not aware of it, either, and are waiting for word from corporate offices.
MurrayDelph
(5,293 posts)I'm going to Costco (my pharmacy) later today anyway, and am going to ask for them to go the Full Moderna.
(Fat, diabetic, nearly 69, history of MRSA and cellulitis; I don't think I'll have trouble convincing them I'm immune-compromised)
Paladin
(28,252 posts)brewens
(13,573 posts)weeks. I'll lay low until then.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)I'd no idea that was a thing one could do.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)Lots of PT involved afterwards but she is pain free to the day.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)I think from sleeping on it wrong. Or maybe related to holding my phone. I don't quite know. I was told to sleep with pillow in there somehow.
P.s. Got my booster at Halloween. Time for another!
not fooled
(5,801 posts)It took me a while to figure out that my habit of flinging my left arm over my head at night was the reason for the shoulder pain. Stopped and the pain has greatly dimished.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)AverageOldGuy
(1,523 posts). . . fr the date of our last shot, then, going to get this one.
I've thought for the longest time that a COVID shot will soon be an annual thing, same as flu shot. maybe even combine the two into one stick.
Meanwhile, the anti-vaxxers have been quiet for a while; this announcement should stir them up.
riversedge
(70,186 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,110 posts)But still complains that the drug companies are making a fortune. So greed, to him, is the driving factor of these vaccines. Not endng pandemic.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)DFW
(54,341 posts)I hope we don't need new ones before the end of April!
riversedge
(70,186 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,645 posts)will keep this in mind. Vaxxed and boosted, Clan Moderna. Still wear mask in stores and mostly indoors.
Minimizing my chances.
AllyCat
(16,177 posts)And with the booster for teens, it was NEARLY A WEEK after CDC
Nevertheless, once that happens, I will, again, be there the first day.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)... by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), which is part of the CDC, before they can get the go ahead from their corporate HQs. This is expected very soon.
I would take a booster once a month if that were ever the recommendation.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)wnylib
(21,430 posts)They will not give the second booster unless the CDC "recommends" it. If the CDC only "approves" it as a matter of choice, they will not give it.
This is because they are concerned about payment. Government funds run out in a week. My insurance company said they will not cover it unless the CDC "recommends" it. Just "approval for those who want" it is not enough for them to cover it.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)where the earlier request by Pfizer (and probably Moderna) was to drop down to "60" vs the "50" that was chosen by FDA - MAINLY because many POC experience underlying health conditions under 60 age and continue to be left out of disease-fighting care because of those types of age cutoffs.
It was something mentioned in the other LBN OP I posted - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142895702
Regarding the cost - I know they were saying they were running out of funds but then like the "debt ceiling" and when the exact date happens for a "default", I don't think they have yet gone down to the penny for calculating exactly WHEN they are going to run out - and mainly because there was an assumption about some large "X%" of people who were assumed would be boosted and that didn't happen - let alone getting the younger age groups through their first doses.
PLUS you have the potential for doing logistics tweaks to move already paid-for doses to locations that could use them as long as the storage requirements can be met.
So if anything, we have to see what it comes down to with respect to funds (including whether they separated out the costs for treatments like the monoclonal antibodies and antiviral pills vs vaccines).
wnylib
(21,430 posts)Every online, in person, and phone contact that I have made is a brick wall for getting a second booster when the CDC "approves" it without a specific "recommendation."
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)may "recommend" for 65+ but "approve" for anyone younger than 65 down to age 50 (but no lower outside of those with the usual underlying conditions who are already approved for it from previous sign-offs). This would be a reasonable "hybrid" decision.
The age range thing appeared to have happened from the following after I did a quick search - Pfizer had submitted their amendment request for 65+ for that additional booster -
By Sharon LaFraniere
March 15, 2022
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WASHINGTON Pfizer and BioNTech said on Tuesday that they had sought emergency authorization for a second booster shot of their coronavirus vaccine for adults 65 and older.
(snip)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/us/politics/pfizer-second-booster-shot-older-americans.html
And Moderna requested for "all adults" (meaning 18+) -
Celina Tebor
USA TODAY
Published 10:33 p.m. ET March 17, 2022 | Updated 6:41 p.m. ET March 18, 2022
Moderna on Thursday requested emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for a fourth dose of its COVID-19 vaccine as a booster for people 18 and over a broader request than Pfizer made days ago for its vaccine.
Currently, a single booster dose of Moderna's mRNA vaccine is authorized for emergency use on top of its two-dose vaccine.
The biotech companys request comes two days after Pfizer and its collaborator BioNTech requested federal permission to provide an additional booster dose of their COVID-19 vaccine Comirnaty to people 65 and older.
Moderna said its request for approval for all adults was made to provide flexibility to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and medical providers to determine the appropriate use of a second booster dose.
(snip)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/17/moderna-requests-authorization-second-booster-shot/7086416001/
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)is going to start offering fourth doses for all 50 + starting tomorrow.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)more reluctant to give them.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)has given the approval. I'll try to get my shot tomorrow.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)Pharmacies around here will not give shots without CDC recommendation. They require a recommendation, not just "approval to choose" even if it does come from the CDC.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)wnylib
(21,430 posts)However, Rite Aid and CVS in my city have both told me that they need CDC recommendation, not just free choice approval.
My insurance company said the same thing.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)OP was posted here - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142896018
Here is the CDC media statement -
Media Statement
For Immediate Release: March 29, 2022
Contact: Media Relations
(404) 639-3286
Data continue to show the importance of vaccination and booster doses to protect individuals both from infection and severe outcomes of COVID-19. For adults and adolescents eligible for a first booster dose, these shots are safe and provide substantial benefit. During the recent Omicron surge, those who were boosted were 21-times less likely to die from COVID-19 compared to those who were unvaccinated, and 7-times less likely to be hospitalized. CDC continues to recommend that all eligible adults, adolescents, and children 5 and older be up to date on their COVID-19 vaccines, which includes getting an initial booster when eligible.
Following FDAs regulatory action today, CDC is updating its recommendations to allow certain immunocompromised individuals and people over the age of 50 who received an initial booster dose at least 4 months ago to be eligible for another mRNA booster to increase their protection against severe disease from COVID-19. Separately and in addition, based on newly published data, adults who received a primary vaccine and booster dose of Johnson & Johnsons Janssen COVID-19 vaccine at least 4 months ago may now receive a second booster dose using an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.
These updated recommendations acknowledge the increased risk of severe disease in certain populations including those who are elderly or over the age of 50 with multiple underlying conditions, along with the currently available data on vaccine and booster effectiveness.
The following is attributable to Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky:
Today, CDC expanded eligibility for an additional booster dose for certain individuals who may be at higher risk of severe outcomes from COVID-19. Boosters are safe, and people over the age of 50 can now get an additional booster 4 months after their prior dose to increase their protection further. This is especially important for those 65 and older and those 50 and older with underlying medical conditions that increase their risk for severe disease from COVID-19 as they are the most likely to benefit from receiving an additional booster dose at this time. CDC, in collaboration with FDA and our public health partners, will continue to evaluate the need for additional booster doses for all Americans.
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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
wnylib
(21,430 posts)I discovered that the news has not yet reached local pharmacies.
I called my CVS pharmacy where I get my prescriptions. The pharmacy clerk did not know that the CDC had given approval for a second booster. She checked with someone and then told me that they had not received any word yet from their corporate office about expanding the second boosters. She told me to call back in a WEEK.
I will try other pharmacies in person. Reaching them on the phone is nearly impossible today.
None of the scheduling websites are updated yet.
But I will keep on trying.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)(whether from the federal/state/local health officials) since they most likely need to program in any new authorization codes to their systems for tracking and reimbursement. So that might be something that goes directly to the corporate offices who then communicate the codes/guidance to their retail stores (at least for the big chains).
Plus those actually controlling the vaccine distribution (usually the states but in some cases like here in Philly, the city gets it directly from CDC allocations) need to update their inventory status so that the doses are available to the providers as needed.
So definitely give it a day or so.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)CVS in my area lagged WAY behind other pharmacies in offering shots. So I will try Rite Aid, Walgren's, and grocery pharmacies instead. At least now I know that it is coming. ... eventually. Also, being in a small, out-of-the-way city means that we often lag as a community behind other places.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)since the Riteaid I normally go to that does my scripts ended up with all of their local retail pharmacies having some sort of "system glitch" that rejected city residents and only allowed scheduling for suburbanites (and there were news articles that published stories of people requesting appointments describing the exact same criteria in their appointment request (age/occupation/health issues) and getting rejected if they input a city address and zipcode ).
I did get my first booster at my usual Riteaid back in November with no problem by using their "walk in" option (where they accepted walk-ins for 1 hour each day - 2 pm - 3 pm (and since I'm retired, that was perfect). Was in, got my booster and my flu shot at the same time, waited the requisite 15 minutes for any adverse reaction, and was done.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)they arranged a vaccine clinic down the street from me for the people living in my senior apartment complex and another senior complex a block away. Did not have to schedule it online.
I got my booster from Rite Aid, in the store. After being unable to get through a glitch in their online scheduling system, I talked to a pharmacy clerk while shopping in the store. She said she would schedule it there for me. She used her personal phone to get through the system. So, when I went in at my scheduled time 2 days later, they said that I was not in the system. They admitted that it happened to a few other people who made appointments in person at the store and said that the clerk was not supposed to make in person appointments. I said that was the fault of the clerk and the system, not me, so they squeezed me in between appointments.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)I found that was easiest for me because all the appointments were booked past Thanksgiving when I got my booster but there was no one in the pharmacy when I went during the designated walk-in time when they had a technician available to do any types of vaccinations including COVID-19, flu, Shingles, etc. Riteaids apparently advertise this but I expect it will depend on each individual retail outlet.
And speaking of them - here is what they have on the website now (they updated based on today's announcements) - https://www.riteaid.com/covid-19/third-dose
The FDA and CDC have authorized COVID-19 boosters for Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson recipients who meet the below criteria. See below for information on boosters as well as additional doses for moderately to severely immunocompromised individuals.
Pfizer:
Boosters can be administered at least 5 months after the 2nd dose of an initial series of Pfizer for individuals 12 years or older. Individuals 12-17 are eligible only for a Pfizer booster dose (no mixing and matching). Ages 50+ (and certain immunocompromised individuals) may receive a second booster at least 4 months after their previous booster. Online scheduling for second boosters coming soon; walk-ins welcome now.
Moderna:
Boosters can be administered at least 5 months after the 2nd dose of an initial series of Moderna or individuals 18 years or older. Moderna boosters will be administered at a half-dose volume compared to the initial series. Ages 50+ (and certain immunocompromised individuals) may receive a second booster at least 4 months after their previous booster. Online scheduling for second boosters coming soon; walk-ins welcome now.
Johnson & Johnson/Janssen:
Boosters can be administered at least 28 days after the initial Johnson & Johnson/Janssen shot was administered for anyone age 18+. mRNA boosters (Pfizer or Moderna) are recommended over an additional dose of Johnson & Johnson/Janssen. For more information on second boosters, visit the CDC website.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)my appointment for 11 am today at Rite Aid.
That was quick. CVS, my usual pharmacy, told me to call back in a week to see if they were giving out second boosters shots.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)From what I keep hearing in the news, many who were eligible for the last booster still haven't gotten it and I expect even among the boosted crowd, they might not bother with yet another one (I know when I mentioned to some of my cousins last night who are vaxxed and boosted, they were non-committal despite being eligible). So I don't think the gigantic crowds seen with the initial booster offerings, are going to be there this go-around.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)of omicron B.2 that is developing. It might not be as widespread as the last one, but better to be prepared. B.2 is in the eastern part of NY now and I am at the opposite end of the state, near Buffalo, but it should be here soon enough. There is frequent travel between Buffalo and NYC and between Niagara Falls and NYC. Then it trickles out to the smaller towns like mine. At least that has been the pattern.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)but so far not as quickly as what the original Omicron did. I know when I am out at the supermarket or pharmacy, etc., people where I am (mostly older/retired) have still kept masking-up as have I (now going all N95). Many of the younger people have also been masked here (at least in the city vs the suburbs) believe it or not, probably because they are in households with older parents/grandparents, even with the mandates having been lifted here except for the federal ones (including public transit and in hospitals/medical facilities, etc).
There had always been a tiny handful of unmasked where I live but they constituted maybe one or two people out of an entire store full of patrons.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)wearing a mask indoors in public places, except in a very few stores that still require employees to wear masks, or a very few other seniors. The area outside of town is rural and red. The vaccination rate for the county is less than 60%. And the county health department no longer tracks infections, hospitalizations, or deaths from covid. So there is no way to know when a new variant arrives or how bad it is.
People in my apartment building do not wear masks in public areas like the halls and elevator. A neighbor across the hall from me is now in a nursing home with long covid. People get on the small elevator in groups even though it is too small for any kind of distancing. They think it is strange that I do not get on when other people are on it.
So every layer of protection that I can get matters to me.
CVS has a display of N95s just inside their door. They are free, 3 to a person. There werere 3 shelves that were full, not even touched in a week. So I asked the cashier if I could take more than 3. She said to take as many as I want because nobody else is and none of their customers wear them. So I filled up a bag. I also still have some that I ordered online.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)that recently went purple and has gotten more and more blue but they never imposed the mask mandates to the degree that they did here in Philly, so whenever I had gone there to shop (their sales tax is 2% less than here in the city that had 2% tacked onto the state's 6%), few if any were masked and still aren't. I have kept my trips very very localized and try to get in and out as fast as I can.
I guess maybe a good indicator here is that I have yet to get any "free masks" because they are always out of them when I have checked (they had even printed out and posted signs that said that they were "out of stock" for them). Will still keep checking though because it is always good to have backups. I have a small stash of N95s (that I re-use a couple times since I don't use them more than about 90 minutes at a time and rotate a fresh one in before going back to an earlier one), some KN95s, and a couple boxes of surgical masks (along with some form-fitting cloth ones with bendable nose bands to double-mask with the surgicals).
wnylib
(21,430 posts)at home when I do laundry. There is a laundry room down the hall from me and I never know who I might encounter on the hall when I go there. I take the mask off back in my apartment and put it back on each time I go to change a load. Or, when I take trash out, I save the mask to reuse.
Other than that, I have not felt comfortable about reusing them.
I am right now in the waiting area at Rite Aid for my booster. There was no one before me and one pers9n came in after me, but it is now 20 minutes past my appointment time. Don't know what the holdup is.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)In a nutshell -
Gabriela Miranda
USA TODAY
Published 4:30 p.m. ET Jan. 12, 2022 | Updated 8:15 p.m. ET Jan. 14, 2022
As more and more health experts urge Americans to swap their cloth masks for either a N95 or KN95 mask, others are explaining how often to reuse the single mask. Omicron is far more transmissible than other known coronavirus variants even through thick fabric face masks. More people are purchasing surgical or N95 masks as health experts Linsey Marr, a researcher at Virginia Tech told NPR, "Cloth masks are not going to cut it with omicron."
Although N95 and KN95 masks were created for single use, guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says people can get several uses out of the masks. So just how many times can you reuse your mask and what's the best way to store and clean them?
Can you reuse N95 and KN95 masks?
CDC guidelines recommend wearing your N95 and KN95 mask for no more than five uses, however, some experts offered tips on how to prolong your mask wear and keep them clean. Dr. Joseph Gastaldo, a physician who specializes in infectious diseases with OhioHealth told USA TODAY he recommends each person purchase a pack of N95's and rotate when they wear each mask.
"If you're rotating your masks, washing your hands and storing them well, you can get five to a little bit more uses with them," Gastaldo said.Gastaldo said sanitizing your hands before touching the mask is crucial and storing them outside or "in heat" will help keep the mask dry and clean. Dr. Sabrina Assoumou, an infectious disease physician at Boston Medical Center, echoed Gastaldo's recommendation.
(snip)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/01/12/kn-95-n-95-masks-reuse-storage/9188940002/
I keep the ones I use for the day in the car in a bag for re-use 1 or 2 more times before discarding, again because I am not in it all day but for probably no more than about 90 minutes continuously. If I am in one longer (e.g., a doctor's appointment or at the dealer for car service, then I discard afterwards).
And regarding the wait - hopefully they got to you by the time you see this post but I know sometimes they have a rotating tech who goes from place to place to do the vaccines and have to wait for them to get there and prep the doses (particularly since they need dilution if not already done for previous shots) and they need to process the paperwork that is normally completed by the recipient before the shot, and that can take some time depending on who is doing it.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 30, 2022, 03:55 PM - Edit history (1)
45 minutes after my appointment time. While I waited, there were 3 walk-ins. I must have been their first one of the day because after I left, the walk-ins were each called quickly after me. So apparently they had to do prep before being ready for me.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)And yup - sounds like you were the first one of the day so you had to wait for them to get everything setup. Since they are apparently offering vaccines from each of the different manufacturers, they probably needed to make sure all of them were diluted and ready to go and/or they would have enough of each type prepped for any later appointments since people can request a specific one. Plus you have a circumstance where the Moderna (now called "SpikeVax" since they got their BLA approved in January) "normal booster" is actually 1/2 a regular dose, with immunocompromised approved for a full 3rd or 4th dose otherwise, and then they need to confirm they also have enough for and estimated number of walk-ins for the day.
I know you are relieved!!!! Hope you have minimal side-effects going forward.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 30, 2022, 06:02 PM - Edit history (1)
With the first dose of the initial vaccine, I had no side effects except a very sore arm.
With the second dose of the initial vaccine I had very mild side effects. Just a little light headedness, lack of appetite, minor muscle aches, and my temp went up a few tenths of a degree. A pink circle on my arm about the size of a tennis ball, perfectly flat and perfectly round.
No itching. Sore arm of course.
But the first booster hit me harder. Temp up a couple tenths again, a pink Moderna circle again, but under one breast instead of the arm. Very, very sore arm. Muscle aches everywhere for 3 days. Fatigue and listlessness. Total exhaustion.
Today nothing. No sore arm, which was the first thing to show up before. No other side effects at all. It is 4 hours since the shot. Maybe they will hit me later. Maybe not at all. I prefer some side effects so that I know the shot is working.
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)within minutes after the shot while waiting the required 15 minutes. Got that shot on a Wednesday and along with the sore arm, the fatigue hit by that Saturday and I slept for a bunch of hours "extra" than I normally do and was a little light-headed when I woke up and moved around. No fever though but more like what it's like when you get a bad cold. It was all gone by that next day.
Second dose triggered little or no symptoms other than the sore arm lasting longer than the first time, and with the booster, it was nada - and that was with me getting the flu shot at the same time (one in each arm)! I guess my body was like - "okay okay already... sheesh!"
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I just made an appointment at my Rite Aid as well, for tomorrow. Glad it has worked out easily for you.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Added guidance that people ages 12 years and older who are moderately or severely immunocompromised may choose to receive a second booster dose using an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 4 months after the first booster dose
Added guidance that adults ages 50 years and older who are not moderately or severely immunocompromised may choose to receive a second booster dose using an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 4 months after the first booster dose
Added guidance that people ages 1849 years who are not moderately or severely immunocompromised and who received Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine as both their primary series dose and booster dose may receive a second booster dose using an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 4 months after the first Janssen booster dose
Further clarification of safety issues including those related to multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) and adults (MIS-A) and myocarditis
Updated information on the availability of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine supplied in a vial with a red cap (0.25 mL dosage volume) and Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine supplied in a vial with a blue cap (0.5 mL dosage volume) for administration of a 50 µg booster dose.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html
ETA - My husband and I are significantly over 50 so I will check with my doctor to see about getting our second boosters ASAP.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Added guidance that people ages 12 years and older who are moderately or severely immunocompromised may choose to receive a second booster dose using an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 4 months after the first booster dose
Added guidance that adults ages 50 years and older who are not moderately or severely immunocompromised may choose to receive a second booster dose using an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 4 months after the first booster dose
Added guidance that people ages 1849 years who are not moderately or severely immunocompromised and who received Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine as both their primary series dose and booster dose may receive a second booster dose using an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine at least 4 months after the first Janssen booster dose
Further clarification of safety issues including those related to multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C) and adults (MIS-A) and myocarditis
Updated information on the availability of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine supplied in a vial with a red cap (0.25 mL dosage volume) and Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine supplied in a vial with a blue cap (0.5 mL dosage volume) for administration of a 50 µg booster dose.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html
OverBurn
(950 posts)I was Vaxxed and boosted with the Pfizer, should I get the Moderna now? For a better coverage? A changeup?
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)I'm going to call my Doctor's office and ask them.
I had an appointment last week with him and he said to get the second booster as soon as it became available. I should have asked then but I completely forgot.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)a couple weeks ago at my appointment that covid is no longer a big deal. She bragged that she had it 3 times. She is 40 years younger than me and oblivious to senior concerns.
Yes, I need a new doctor. I am in a small city where an alternative is hard to find, but I am looking.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)I've been in this family's hands since I got married at 25. My present Dr. is the son of my original Doctor. I have everyone in my family seeing him now as well.
He's a firm believer of Medicare for all and has lectured all over the country in it's advocacy. That includes The Harvard Club, John's Hopkins, Stanford U. etc. etc.
In an age when most Doctors are out for nothing but money, this Doctor - who could be making millions in a city larger than Rochester, NY - sees the homeless, poor, rich, and everyone in between. I am truly blessed to have this man guard my health.
There are a few websites that are patient reviewed, so if you want the story on a specific Doctor in your area they're very helpful. One I can suggest and I've used before to rate Doctors is www.healthgeades.com
Good luck to you, wnylib. I hope you can find a Doctor better than your current quack. I can't believe a Doctor actually told you that "COVID is no big deal", especially at our age. Good luck to you.
wnylib
(21,430 posts)3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...med school there keeps the quality of health care pretty high in that smallish city.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)of having an abundance of Doctors available to all socioeconomic clients. It's a very caring city, even though Monroe County goes red in most elections. The City votes blue, but the suburbs are either purple or red.
We're also blessed to have the Open Door Mission taking care of the homeless, and DePaul social services to help the working poor. Rochester has the same problems of any city, but they also have enough good people who care.
Rochester is a pretty cool place to be from. Hope wherever you live now measures up to your hometown.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)
red Monroe county. Since 1994, My husband and I have lived in one of whats known as the far northwest suburbs of Chicago, where we raised our 2 sons. Our county is the only one of the collar counties that surround Chicago that is red. Our own little village was recently described as a republican stronghold within the county.
If we lived 2 streets over, we would be in the district of the fabulous Lauren Underwood.
I think Rochester is one of those towns that you think is terribly boring when you are an adolescent and young adult, and appreciate more as you get older. Lots to do there, actually, but it doesnt jump out at you.
Im a 1973 grad of the U of Rs school of nursing.
We are so far away from Chicago that we are actually closer to the Wisconsin border than the city.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)the head of the nursing department at the U of R. She would have been retired by the time you started your studies though.
I know Greece well. I had a lot of friends who lived there. We live a little farther west, in Hamlin, right on the lake.
There's always something going on in Rochester. Festivals for everything under the sun, professional baseball, soccer, lacrosse, hockey teams, plus all sorts of college activities. The city has a two week long "Fringe Festival" in September, that has become the largest interdisciplinary festival in New York State. Alternative music, art, performers from across the nation come and perform at 15 different venues. There's some incredible stuff there. It's almost like a two week long mini-burning man hosted in Rochester.
Anyway, glad you and the family are doing well in your Chicago area home. Stop by Rochester if you're ever in New York. It's probably changed a lot since the last time you were here. Take care.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...since we moved to the Midwest. My parents bought a small plot of land on Keuka in the Finger Lakes in 1987, and built a little 1-story cottage there. We've been going there since our older son, now 32, was in utero. As our boys got a little older and got into soccer, we took in a few Rochester Rhino games, back in the Lenin Steenkamp days.
My parents are both gone now, my dad at age 90 in 2011, and my mom at 98 in 2020, so I am now the owner of the little cottage. We were last there in May of 2021. We rent out the cottage so I can afford to keep it.
I wish Wegmans would come to the greater Chicago area.
ananda
(28,858 posts)catches up with this authorization.
I told them to go to the fda website.
appalachiablue
(41,126 posts)Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)#1 reason; a medical condition forces me to spend 6 months out of the year indoors. Starting in a few days.
#2 reason; I stood line for over an hour with SICK people waiting for a test to get a booster. It was my largest single exposure of the entire pandemic. I will only take another if it is available in a place that splits the two groups.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)I don't think most places have long lines now.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)since I'm on immunosuppression drugs. Glad others are able to get it now, too!
róisín_dubh
(11,791 posts)Im on Day 4 of Covid round 2. I only had about 12 hours of feeling lousy, but Im so over this damn virus. Hopefully people will continue to get vaccinated and boosted.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Hopefully by the time Im eligible the CDC will have guidelines. Not going to schedule until I hear from them.
Rhiannon12866
(205,184 posts)Got this headline on my phone, so thanks for the details - it'll be a couple of weeks for me before it's 4 months, but now I need to speak to my "How many more do I have to get?!" brother...
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)So it's now "officially" good to go having both agencies give the green light...
And I guess I don't blame your brother.
It's eventually going to be at least annual (or perhaps biannual until they can tweak it a bit more).
I got my booster in November so I am at the 4 month mark now although I was thinking maybe to wait for 5 months (the original guidance) since I have been doing Moderna (now officially called "SpikeVax" ) and that efficacy seems to last longer. That way I could maybe time any additional shot at "6 months" to get boosted right before the holidays.
Rhiannon12866
(205,184 posts)And thanks for the advice/suggestion - I got all mine at CVS since that's the first place that offered the vaccine in these parts. I got my booster nearby, but had to go to Saratoga to get my first two shots since the local pharmacies were immediately overwhelmed as soon as the news got out that they were offering it.
My brother got the Pfizer at a state-run clinic in the old Sears store at the local mall which is just down the road, so he actually went back on his own to get his booster (after I nagged him). Last I knew, that clinic was still in operation, have testing and vaccines on alternate days, so I'm hoping that continues because he's more likely to go back to the same place. *sigh*
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)I definitely agree that going to the same place and/or to a familiar place close by is definitely recommended!
Rhiannon12866
(205,184 posts)To show me that he'd gotten his booster! I try not to nag, but I knew how essential it was for him to get vaccinated to begin with. But my brother is agoraphobic, doesn't leave the house unless he absolutely has to - I took him to get his first two shots, so I was pleasantly surprised when he showed me he'd gotten his booster. And he did ask me when I initially brought up the booster how many he'd have to get so I'm not looking forward to telling him a fourth shot is suggested. He got his booster on December 16th, so I have time to work up to it. *sigh*
BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)That's great that he at least took that initiative knowing how stressful it could be doing it but he was able to weigh the risk to the benefit and get it done.
You could always tell him that we are in a "new year" and it wouldn't have to be "back to back" shots like the first time anymore.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)Two weeks ago they opened it up for people over 80, and now, if you walk into a pharmacy, tell them that you're over 60, they'll give you the shot.