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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,739 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:38 PM Mar 2022

Ocasio-Cortez calls on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to resign

Source: Washington Post

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday that Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas should resign after it emerged that his wife had pressed the Trump White House in text messages to try to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

“If not, his failure to disclose income from right-wing organizations, recuse himself from matters involving his wife, and his vote to block the Jan 6th commission from key information must be investigated and could serve as grounds for impeachment,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted.

Ocasio-Cortez’s call for Thomas to resign — as well as her raising the prospect an impeachment effort — goes further than most other Democrats have in their demands for Thomas to recuse himself from cases involving the 2020 election or the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection after certain texts from his wife came to light last week. Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) also has said Thomas should be impeached.

The texts by Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, a conservative activist and lawyer by training, revealed that she had reached out to then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows multiple times in the weeks after the 2020 election, pushing the baseless claim that the election had been stolen and urging Trump officials not to accept the results. At the time, President Donald Trump and his allies had vowed to take their efforts to overturn the election results to the Supreme Court.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ocasio-cortez-calls-on-supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas-to-resign/ar-AAVDnXm



While I don't disagree, you know he's not going to.
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Ocasio-Cortez calls on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas to resign (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 OP
He'll get right on that Effete Snob Mar 2022 #1
Yeah Polybius Mar 2022 #2
I glad she's on record. Magoo48 Mar 2022 #9
Yeah, that would be good. Clarence is an insurrectionist. 14th Amendment applies. lagomorph777 Mar 2022 #24
Post removed Post removed Mar 2022 #3
Do you have any idea what conflict of interest and the appearance of impropriety are? kysrsoze Mar 2022 #4
+1 2naSalit Mar 2022 #8
Thank you. Unfortunately, most people have no clue what it means these days. kysrsoze Mar 2022 #14
I've noticed. 2naSalit Mar 2022 #15
Before or after the White House Ethics rules/training were eliminated? Media was on that too.... Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #26
What Rebl2 Mar 2022 #32
No, he should resign because of his wife's documented behavior. marybourg Mar 2022 #5
Personal? Her views are financial and political. bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #10
ginni paid for the buses to Stop the Steal attendees Cozmo Mar 2022 #16
That isn't the point being made here. MontanaMama Mar 2022 #19
Bless her heart but he's not going anywhere. Shit, if he died they'd prop him in his chair. dem4decades Mar 2022 #6
They may have done that already. He never talks, or opens his eyes. FailureToCommunicate Mar 2022 #29
I've seen him rated higher than Aieto, Sotomayor and Kavanaugh, which I didn't understand. dem4decades Mar 2022 #35
He needs to. 2naSalit Mar 2022 #7
I'm glad she said it (what every Dem is thinking) out loud. poli-junkie Mar 2022 #11
More voices like this! Marthe48 Mar 2022 #12
+1 jalan48 Mar 2022 #13
Well, that does it, then. He's as good as gone. MineralMan Mar 2022 #17
YEP Rebl2 Mar 2022 #33
Hooray! AOC Finally Went There!!! panfluteman Mar 2022 #18
Good for her! FoxNewsSucks Mar 2022 #20
Someone had to say it. Was she the first? nt. druidity33 Mar 2022 #21
Good move. Keep the story alive for another news cycle. Keep it up! Midnight Writer Mar 2022 #22
I applaud her efforts, but that hog will do nothing of the sort. BigDemVoter Mar 2022 #23
Gotta be realistic The Grand Illuminist Mar 2022 #25
If nothing else, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez is helping this Torchlight Mar 2022 #27
Yes, helping this stay in the news cycle, and ShazzieB Mar 2022 #37
Imagine the outrage on the right. AOC speaks for me. Cause I can't. Thank you Rep. Ocasio-Cortez. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #28
A very important election year issue, this puts ethics, transparency, integrity in the spotlight bucolic_frolic Mar 2022 #30
Fuck yeah, there is a reason for some here to be "concerned" over AOC. denbot Mar 2022 #31
I was wondering how she would come down on this. JohnnyRingo Mar 2022 #34
I say resign. What Thomas did by not recusing was a crime. 28 U.S. Code § 455 L. Coyote Mar 2022 #36
28 USC 455 is not a criminal statute onenote Mar 2022 #42
What Clarence Thomas Did Was Illegal Says Laurence Tribe L. Coyote Mar 2022 #46
Not all violations of law are treated as "crimes." onenote Mar 2022 #52
Love, love, love AOC! She is fearless. LaMouffette Mar 2022 #38
Me too. Resign Clarence, you are a traitor to your race and country. Pepsidog Mar 2022 #39
The people who've invested so much money and political capital to build the present SCOTUS will Ford_Prefect Mar 2022 #40
I doubt he will be impeached unless there is definite evidence that he committed a crime. marie999 Mar 2022 #41
Would be nice cannabis_flower Mar 2022 #43
He should save face and resign! Emile Mar 2022 #44
And...? brooklynite Mar 2022 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author ck4829 Mar 2022 #49
She should contact her representative... Dr. Strange Mar 2022 #47
K&R ck4829 Mar 2022 #48
Everyone in Congress should be demanding this! Emile Mar 2022 #50
Good for her samsingh Mar 2022 #51
there's... myohmy2 Mar 2022 #53

Magoo48

(4,698 posts)
9. I glad she's on record.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:27 PM
Mar 2022

I wish the rest of them would go on record more often. I like knowing where they stand.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
24. Yeah, that would be good. Clarence is an insurrectionist. 14th Amendment applies.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:37 PM
Mar 2022

No way he's not up to his eyeballs in coup plotting, just like his wife.

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

kysrsoze

(6,019 posts)
4. Do you have any idea what conflict of interest and the appearance of impropriety are?
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 02:54 PM
Mar 2022

There's obviously much more to this than his wife's personal views. We also have this quaint concept of independence and oversight between the three branches of government. From an ethical standpoint, he is tainted in multiple realms and if he had any integrity, he would resign.

2naSalit

(86,323 posts)
8. +1
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:24 PM
Mar 2022

I'm impressed, someone who still knows those terms!

Appearance of impropriety was a career killer back in the day.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
16. ginni paid for the buses to Stop the Steal attendees
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:55 PM
Mar 2022

This is more than her personal views. She tried to overturn an election, his bias is evident.

dem4decades

(11,269 posts)
35. I've seen him rated higher than Aieto, Sotomayor and Kavanaugh, which I didn't understand.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:07 PM
Mar 2022

I thought he was the worst, at least between Aieto and Thomas

Marthe48

(16,898 posts)
12. More voices like this!
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 03:53 PM
Mar 2022

Get the rot off the Supreme Court.

I can see why there aren't any guidelines to be sure Surpeme Court judges don't cross any lines. Up until thomas, actual law-abiding knowledgeable legal giants were selected to serve on the bench. Now it's who you know, or who ya blow. As long as criminals get selected to the bench, we better get some guidelines. JHC

panfluteman

(2,062 posts)
18. Hooray! AOC Finally Went There!!!
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:00 PM
Mar 2022

We definitely need more voices like hers in Congress. Perhaps she will inspire others to speak out and go there like she has. Perhaps the one with real balls is - a woman! AOC's willingness to take bold progressive positions makes her a rising star in Congress who is the one to watch. After all, the stakes couldn't be higher - it's our own democracy that's on the line, for heaven's sake!

FoxNewsSucks

(10,417 posts)
20. Good for her!
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:24 PM
Mar 2022

Ilhan Omar has also called for his impeachment.

Why does it seem to be mainly the "leftists" who are in the right place regarding the lying corrupt tool Clarence Thomas? He should be removed immediately, and prosecuted for any lawbreaking along with his criminal wife.

Midnight Writer

(21,712 posts)
22. Good move. Keep the story alive for another news cycle. Keep it up!
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:26 PM
Mar 2022

We need to make sure this story keeps getting repeated and reported on day after day.

Of course, he won't step down. The goal is to focus attention on the corruption in the GOP.

Keep swinging that hammer!

The Grand Illuminist

(1,327 posts)
25. Gotta be realistic
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:41 PM
Mar 2022

He ain't going nowhere, and don't try to impeach because there are no votes to convict in the Senate to remove him.

Torchlight

(3,293 posts)
27. If nothing else, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez is helping this
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:43 PM
Mar 2022

stay in the news cycle; and the longer this remains in cycle, the more people will see it.

Playing against my original opinion of her (inaccurate and biased), I've now come to believe she's an impressive force who has learned the system quickly.

ShazzieB

(16,272 posts)
37. Yes, helping this stay in the news cycle, and
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:14 PM
Mar 2022

also helping to keep holding his feet to the fire.

This is a guy who does not care for criticism, much less being publicly embarrassed. If he can't be persuaded to resign, he can darn sure be made to squirm.

Evolve Dammit

(16,697 posts)
28. Imagine the outrage on the right. AOC speaks for me. Cause I can't. Thank you Rep. Ocasio-Cortez.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 04:44 PM
Mar 2022

We need more. This is utter bullshit from a "Justice" who never should have sat on the bench.

JohnnyRingo

(18,618 posts)
34. I was wondering how she would come down on this.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:07 PM
Mar 2022

If only she had ten percent of the influence the right thinks she has.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
36. I say resign. What Thomas did by not recusing was a crime. 28 U.S. Code § 455
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:10 PM
Mar 2022
28 U.S. Code § 455 - Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge

(a) Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
(b) He shall also disqualify himself in the following circumstances:
(1) Where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party, or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceeding;
(2) Where in private practice he served as lawyer in the matter in controversy, or a lawyer with whom he previously practiced law served during such association as a lawyer concerning the matter, or the judge or such lawyer has been a material witness concerning it;
(3) Where he has served in governmental employment and in such capacity participated as counsel, adviser or material witness concerning the proceeding or expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controversy;
(4) He knows that he, individually or as a fiduciary, or his spouse or minor child residing in his household, has a financial interest in the subject matter in controversy or in a party to the proceeding, or any other interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding;
(5) He or his spouse, or a person within the third degree of relationship to either of them, or the spouse of such a person:
(i) Is a party to the proceeding, or an officer, director, or trustee of a party;
(ii) Is acting as a lawyer in the proceeding;
(iii) Is known by the judge to have an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding;
(iv) Is to the judge’s knowledge likely to be a material witness in the proceeding.

onenote

(42,581 posts)
42. 28 USC 455 is not a criminal statute
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 07:20 PM
Mar 2022

It does not make it a "crime" for a judge not to recuse himself or herself. The statute has been on the books in one form or another for many, many years and there have been a number of cases brought where it has been alleged that a judge failed to recuse in accordance with Section 455. None of those cases were brought by the Department of Justice. Rather, they are always brought by a litigant who has unsuccessfully sought to have a judge recuse himself or herself and/or cases in which a litigant, after the fact, argues that they were harmed because the judge had a conflict of interest requiring recusal. Where the court reviewing the allegation of a failure to comply with Section 455 agrees that recusal was required, the remedy is to require the recusal or, if after the fact, reverse the outcome and remand for a new trial with a different judge.

Even if the January 6 Committee had known of Ginni Thomas's emails when the case made it to the Supreme Court, they presumably could have filed something arguing that Thomas should have recused, but they didn't and since they won the case 8-1, they probably saw no reason to do so after the fact.

onenote

(42,581 posts)
52. Not all violations of law are treated as "crimes."
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:11 PM
Mar 2022

Tribe never claims that Thomas committed a "crime" for which he could be prosecuted. At most, according to Tribe, Thomas could be impeached, because impeachment isn't limited to criminal violations, but that's not going to happen (as Tribe acknowledges). Tribe also suggests that because the Chief Justice has control over whether Thomas is assigned responsibility for writing the opinion in cases where Roberts and Thomas are both in the majority, Roberts could "punish" Thomas by restricting the cases assigned to him for opinion writing. But that's not much of a deterrent since it doesn't stop Thomas from writing a concurring opinion that the other justices might well join. (In addition, where Thomas is in the majority and Roberts is in the minority, Roberts can't stop Thomas from assigning the opinion to himself). As an aside, there is a conscious effort to be spread the opinion writing duties equally -- in the most recent term, Roberts authored 7 opinions, Amy Barrett authored five, and each of the other seven Justices authored six).

As is the case with instances of noncompliance with procedural rules governing the conduct of judicial proceedings, there is a remedy, as i mentioned, which would be for a litigant to file a motion with the Court demanding that Thomas recuse himself. Whether the Court would entertain the motion and whether they would grant it is far from clear and there is no recourse if they decide not to do so.

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
40. The people who've invested so much money and political capital to build the present SCOTUS will
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 05:55 PM
Mar 2022

never allow that to happen.

The good folks behind the Council for National Policy, The Federalist Society, ALEC, and several other RW front groups have one primary agenda and that requires Justice Thomas be on the bench.

Thomas may be impeached for cause but he will not resign.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
41. I doubt he will be impeached unless there is definite evidence that he committed a crime.
Tue Mar 29, 2022, 06:05 PM
Mar 2022

And if he is impeached he will not be found guilty of anything. And he doesn't care what people say about him, he has a job for life.

Response to brooklynite (Reply #45)

myohmy2

(3,139 posts)
53. there's...
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:50 PM
Mar 2022

...an urgency here that I'm glad AOC shares...

...we must act like our democracy and institutions are being attacked from all angles...

...because they are...

...

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