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BumRushDaShow

(128,705 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:09 AM Mar 2022

Facebook paid GOP firm to malign TikTok

Last edited Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:11 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: Washington Post

Facebook parent company Meta is paying one of the biggest Republican consulting firms in the country to orchestrate a nationwide campaign seeking to turn the public against TikTok. The campaign includes placing op-eds and letters to the editor in major regional news outlets, promoting dubious stories about alleged TikTok trends that actually originated on Facebook, and pushing to draw political reporters and local politicians into helping take down its biggest competitor.

These bare-knuckle tactics, long commonplace in the world of politics, have become increasingly noticeable within a tech industry where companies vie for cultural relevance and come at a time when Facebook is under pressure to win back young users. Employees with the firm, Targeted Victory, worked to undermine TikTok through a nationwide media and lobbying campaign portraying the fast-growing app, owned by the Beijing-based company ByteDance, as a danger to American children and society, according to internal emails shared with The Washington Post.

Targeted Victory needs to “get the message out that while Meta is the current punching bag, TikTok is the real threat especially as a foreign owned app that is #1 in sharing data that young teens are using,” a director for the firm wrote in a February email. Campaign operatives were also encouraged to use TikTok’s prominence as a way to deflect from Meta’s own privacy and antitrust concerns. “Bonus point if we can fit this into a broader message that the current bills/proposals aren’t where [state attorneys general] or members of Congress should be focused,” a Targeted Victory staffer wrote.

The emails, which have not been previously reported, show the extent to which Meta and its partners will use opposition-research tactics on the Chinese-owned, multibillion-dollar rival that has become one of the most downloaded apps in the world, often outranking even Meta’s popular Facebook and Instagram apps. In an internal report last year leaked by the whistleblower Frances Haugen, Facebook researchers said teens were spending “2-3X more time” on TikTok than Instagram, and that Facebook’s popularity among young people had plummeted.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/







Ironically, my friends and family "claim" they were on Fakebook because of "their kids" (outside of them wanting to touch base with their old buddies). But it's not the kids there, it's often their teachers who were initially putting announcements and other stuff on that platform. The kids don't use it and consider it "the old people's app".

ETA - I found this article from just over 3 years ago that mentioned when this apparently first happened -

Facebook quietly hired Republican strategy firm Targeted Victory


Taylor Hatmaker@tayhatmaker / 7:58 AM EST•November 30, 2018


Facebook is still reeling from the revelation that it hired an opposition research firm with close ties to the Republican party, but its relationship with Definers Public Affairs isn’t the company’s only recent contract work with deeply GOP-linked strategy firms. While that work alone isn’t cause for controversy, Facebook’s work with Republican groups does call into question the ongoing narrative that Facebook operates with an anti-conservative bias.

According to sources familiar with the project, Facebook also contracted with Targeted Victory, described as “the GOP’s go-to technology consultant firm.” Targeted Victory worked with Facebook on the company’s Community Boost roadshow, a tour of U.S. cities meant to stimulate small business interest in Facebook as a business and ad platform. The ongoing Community Boost initiative, announced in late 2017, kicked off earlier this year with stops in cities like and Topeka, Kansas and Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Facebook also worked with Targeted Victory on the company’s ad transparency efforts. Over the last year, Facebook has attempted to ward off regulation from Congress over ad disclosure, even putting forth some self-regulatory efforts to appease legislators. Specifically, it has dedicated considerable lobbying resources to slow any progress from the Honest Ads Act, a piece of legislature that would force the company to make retain copies of election ads, disclose spending and more. Targeted Victory, a digital strategy and marketing firm, is not a registered lobbyist for Facebook on any work relating to ad transparency.

Targeted Victory

On his company biography page, Targeted Victory founder and CEO Zac Moffatt describes his experience helping companies “enhance their brand and get their message out in the current political and media environment,” mentioning Facebook, FedEx and Gillette as corporate clients. The bio page appears to be one of the only public mentions of his work with Facebook and the company was not mentioned alongside Gillette and FedEx on his Linkedin page.

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https://techcrunch.com/2018/11/30/facebook-targeted-victory-definers-gop/


I suppose while all-eyes were on Cambridge Analytica overseas, this was going on right here in the good old U.S.A.
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Bengus81

(6,930 posts)
1. Reminds me of Microsoft all those year ago. Any perceived threat and they needed to be taken out
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:17 AM
Mar 2022

FUCK Facebook. Everyone needs to delete their account

BumRushDaShow

(128,705 posts)
2. "Reminds me of Microsoft all those year ago."
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:29 AM
Mar 2022

That was back when I started using Linux in the '90s and I first heard the term "FUD" (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) that was attributed to M$'s sliming of any entity attempting to promote use of open-source / "free as in beer" *nix software for desktops.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
3. Didn't they do similar to Wayfair?
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:38 AM
Mar 2022

I always thought those negative stories (a while back) about Wayfair were designed to damage Overstock’s (Trumpy guy) competition.

BumRushDaShow

(128,705 posts)
5. Seems the timing might have also been associated with the fiasco that I recall
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:27 AM
Mar 2022

where the previous administration attempted to ban TikTok via an E.O. until 2 courts intervened with injunctions on the ban -


U.S. Judge Halts Trump's TikTok Ban, The 2nd Court To Fully Block The Action

December 7, 2020 8:36 PM ET
Bobby Allyn


A federal judge on Monday fully blocked the Trump administration's attempt to ban TikTok in the U.S., the latest defeat in the White House's legal crusade against the video-sharing app. U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols in Washington found that Trump overstepped his authority in using his emergency economic powers to try to effectively put the wildly popular app out of business. He was the second judge to rule against the president's ban.

Lawyers for TikTok demonstrated that Trump officials' "failure to adequately consider an obvious and reasonable alternative before banning TikTok" renders the crackdown against the app "arbitrary and capricious," wrote Nichols, who is a Trump appointee. Citing a threat to national security, Trump's Commerce Department had sought to prevent the app from being downloaded in app stores and attempted to outlaw transactions between Americans and TikTok's Chinese parent company, ByteDance. Those sanctions were already blocked in October by another federal judge after TikTok influencers brought a lawsuit in Pennsylvania.

The Trump administration has appealed. Nichols wrote that in the event that the Trump administration prevails on appeal in that case, his injunction would remain in order to prevent users from leaving TikTok en masse for a competing app, something that the judge wrote would exact "irreparable harm" on TikTok. Popular for its dance challenge videos and other ridiculous footage that tends to go rapidly viral online, the app has also been used for anti-Trump activism and widely used to ridicule and lampoon the president.

White House officials have targeted TikTok over its Beijing ownership. According to Trump officials, U.S. user data is at risk of being accessed by Chinese authorities because of the close ties the authoritarian regime has with private business in the country. U.S. user data is mostly stored by TikTok on servers in Virginia, with backup storage in Singapore. Company officials say Chinese authorities have never attempted to gain access to Americans' information. White House officials have contended, without evidence, that TikTok could be used as a Chinese spy tool.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/07/944039053/u-s-judge-halts-trumps-tiktok-ban-the-2nd-court-to-fully-block-the-action


In light of what we know about Russia and the GOP, this puts a new spin on that...

Biden Revokes and Replaces Trump Order That Banned TikTok


By Katie Rogers and Cecilia Kang
June 9, 2021


WASHINGTON — President Biden on Wednesday revoked a Trump-era executive order that sought to ban the popular apps TikTok and WeChat and replaced it with one that calls for a broader review of a number of foreign-controlled applications that could pose a security risk to Americans and their data. The Trump order had not been carried out “in the soundest fashion,” Biden administration officials said in a call with reporters, adding that the new directive would establish “clear intelligible criteria” to evaluate national security risks posed by software applications connected to foreign governments, particularly China.

Mr. Biden’s order reflects a growing urgency among American officials, both Republican and Democrat, to aggressively counter what they see as a growing threat posed by China’s military and technology sectors. In a rare show of bipartisanship, U.S. lawmakers have also sought to reduce America’s dependence on China for supply chain technology like semiconductors, rare minerals and other equipment.

On Tuesday, the Senate approved a $250 billion spending package to bolster American technology research and development. The order is the first significant step Mr. Biden has taken to approach the saga between TikTok and the Trump administration, which tried to ban the app over national security concerns but was immediately challenged in federal court.

Analysts said the new executive order was meant to create a process that could withstand such a challenge if the Biden administration chose to ratchet up pressure on individual apps. “It’s a bit of a troll to the Trump administration approach,” said Brian J. Fleming, a lawyer who focuses on national security and international trade matters, “which was exposed in court as being a bit of a hollow process that was completely outcome driven.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/09/us/politics/biden-tiktok-ban-trump.html

oldsoftie

(12,514 posts)
6. People need to stay off TikTok regardless. They're chinese owned & collect personal data.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:34 AM
Mar 2022

Not to mention how toxic it is to young girls & women. My local group had a speaker recently who spoke about a rise in suicide among youth locally & how TikTok had been a major contributor to the problem.

BumRushDaShow

(128,705 posts)
8. All of these "social media" apps are "contributors to the problem"
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:16 AM
Mar 2022

and find ways to do the same type of misinformation promotion and info collecting - with Fakebook being the biggest purveyor of that, notably through Instagram, which was bought by Fakebook a decade ago, and is a primary source of crap passed back and forth among whole demographic swaths of users including teens, millennials, celebrities, wannabe "internet stars", and the like.

I remember when one of my young nieces was a fan of what was then called "musical.ly" (the short video-creation and sharing app for the tween/teen set) which was eventually bought up by TikTok. She and her friends also used the "Houseparty" app to video chat (this was pre-pandemic) and apparently the owner, Epic Games, decided to discontinue it as a standalone and folded it into their MMORPG VR Fortnite game.

I continually read stories about people discovering their info from these entities somehow manage to get harvested by other 3rd party apps.

Apple has even gone on the offensive against this -

Feb 5, 2022, 06:30am EST
Facebook’s New Nightmare Is Suddenly Coming True


Kate O'Flaherty Senior Contributor


Facebook owner Meta’s new nightmare is continuing to get worse after a terrible week with falling user numbers leading to dramatic share price drops. It comes after a bad 2021 for the Mark Zuckerberg owned company, which rebranded to Meta late last year following whistleblower allegations, regulatory headaches and a growing #DeleteFacebook movement. While many people had been considering deleting Facebook—or at least cutting down their use of the social network—the actual user numbers haven’t noticeably suffered, until now.

But this week, the nightmare worsened as Facebook owner Meta reported its fourth quarter earnings, which showed that the social network had seen its number of active users drop for the first time in its 18 year history, the BBC reports. Zuckerberg blamed the fall on a decline in younger users, who favored Facebook’s rivals over the two-decade-old social network. Shortly afterwards, Meta’s share price slumped by 25% and $230 billion was wiped off its market value. It was reportedly one of the biggest single-day declines ever recorded. Meta’s overall earnings of $33.6 billion did narrowly beat expectations, but the impact of a user exodus and Apple’s privacy changes indicate big problems ahead for the data hungry firm.

Apple’s App Tracking Transparency privacy feature—which stops firms such as Facebook from tracking people through iPhone identifiers—is hitting the firm hard, it’s been confirmed. It had previously been predicted that the impact would cost $10 billion—a figure repeated this week by Meta CFO Dave Wehner following the firm’s earnings report, according to CNBC. “We believe the impact of iOS overall is a headwind on our business in 2022,” he said. “It’s on the order of $10 billion, so it’s a pretty significant headwind for our business.” And the consequences of Apple’s privacy changes could be even worse, Facebook owner Meta admits. The $10 billion figure is just an estimate, Wehner said.




Facebook says the changes are harming the accuracy of its ads, because a lack of data makes it hard to target people using iPhones. Meta’s Wehner also called out Apple’s deal with Google, as he suggested the iOS privacy changes aren’t having as much impact on search. “Given that Apple continues to take billions of dollars a year from Google Search, the incentive clearly is for this policy discrepancy to continue,” he said, according to CNBC.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2022/02/05/facebooks-new-nightmare-is-suddenly-coming-true/?sh=795fe6833f01


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Tim Cook
@tim_cook
We believe users should have the choice over the data that is being collected about them and how it’s used. Facebook can continue to track users across apps and websites as before, App Tracking Transparency in iOS 14 will just require that they ask for your permission first.
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Whether it is Russia (with their stranglehold on the GOP and the GOP's massive propaganda outlets) or China fighting a proxy war against Russia and the U.S. through use of these apps - it's all a gd mess.

This is why more and more are going back to flip phones and whatnot.

PortTack

(32,750 posts)
10. Here's a small list of very intelligent TikTok users that think is great way to reach young and old
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:14 PM
Mar 2022

The suicide meme ...you bought is what the right is putting out there.

These ppl all have accounts
Barack Obama
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Meryl Streep
President Zelensky
Anonymous
Beau of the 5th column
Meidas Brothers
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Christina Aguilera
CP Scott retired military officer/expert
Aaron Parnus
Elton John
Jennifer Lopez
Katie Perry
Marcus Flowers and lots of other political candidates
Teachers
Nurses
Doctors
Virologists

You wanna reach young voters, influence young minds, you have to go where they are! if anything it should be utilized more, not less by democrats to reach young voters.


IronLionZion

(45,403 posts)
7. Of course, if you need dirty work, hire GOP firms
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:47 AM
Mar 2022

Facebook has their own short video service plus Instagram. TikTok is Chinese so there was some false patriotism and data privacy concerns promoted through guerilla marketing.

Full disclosure, I don't use any short video service but believed the Chinese data privacy concerns and shared it on DU.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
11. As an aside
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 12:41 PM
Mar 2022

after deleting my fecebook account a couple of years ago, recently I tried to get a new account in order to access groups with useful information relating to a planned overseas move--unfortunately, nowadays fb is often the go-to site for such groups. Guess what--after a couple of days, fb shut down my new account. There is no appeal, no contact information for them, nothing you can do. I'd never done anything to violate their TOS, e.g. use a fake identity, create multiple accounts, etc.

The only reason I can think of for being denied an account is that I incurred their enmity by posting multiple negative comments here about fuckerberg, and donated to Elizabeth Warren. Wouldn't surprise me if fb has algorithms that screen political websites and take note of those who criticize the company.

I understand that private companies can decide with whom they do business, but when fb has become the major repository for exchanging information in significant sectors of society, there should be some responsibility to behave as a public meeting space. OTOH, other than missing out on no doubt valuable information, it's lovely not contributing to lining fuckerberg's pockets.

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