Ukraine War: Putin demands Mariupol surrender to end shelling
Source: BBC
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that shelling of the besieged Ukrainian city of Mariupol will only end when Ukrainian troops surrender.
Mr Putin made the comments during an hour long phone call with French President Emmanuel Macron on Tuesday night, the Kremlin said in a statement.
But French officials said the Russian leader had agreed to consider plans to evacuate civilians from the city.
It comes as new satellite photos showed the destruction caused by the shelling.
The images, released by the Earth observation company Maxar, showed that residential areas have been reduced to rubble and highlighted Russian artillery cannons in firing positions on the outskirts of the city.
Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60926470
He won't stop. The butcher is still gnawing on the carcass.
Gore1FL
(21,102 posts)They are one-trick-ponies and it's a bad trick.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Whichever side of the border / coast it may be on.
onecaliberal
(32,783 posts)cstanleytech
(26,241 posts)need training to fly a new type of jet as they all handle somewhat differently.
Mind you I am not saying no to your proposal just pointing out the problems it's going to suffer from that will hinder it in being fully effective.
Now what is more likely to help is even tougher sanctions and travel bans to and from Russia including but not limited to sanctioning airlines including any parent companies that try to help Russia evade sanctions.
That and make it clear that the sanctions will not be eased even a little until Russia withdraws from all territory that was internationally recognized as Ukrainian territory which includes the Crimean.
Furthermore if Russia wants sanctions to be fully dropped all officers and soldiers accused of war crimes need to be arrested and put on trial before international courts not to mention Putin and some in his cabinet and ministries.
onecaliberal
(32,783 posts)cstanleytech
(26,241 posts)Even assuming they can adapt fast enough we would still need to provide them as well as a ton of spare parts and all of that will take time, time that they might not really have which is why more aggressive sanctions towards Russia now might prove to be more of more help.
Torchlight
(3,293 posts)What are the relevant design differences between the two production runs that would specifically prevent UKR pilots from handling them effectively?
cstanleytech
(26,241 posts)One example in differences between 2 different fighters you can read about here https://theaviationgeekclub.com/f-16-vs-mig-29-when-the-mighty-viper-dogfighted-with-the-fulcrum-for-the-first-time/amp/
Torchlight
(3,293 posts)My bad. I'd presumed no guesswork. Thanks, sorry to waste your time.
EX500rider
(10,810 posts)Won't be enough of a difference that couldn't be handled in a short lecture on any equipment changes.
blue-wave
(4,344 posts)Then all the more reason to expedite the situation. Pooty needs his ass handed to him on a platter. The sooner the better the for Ukrainians, who have certainly suffered horrifically from that psychopath.
Evolve Dammit
(16,697 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Winston Churchill: Nations which go down fighting rise again, and those that surrender tamely are finished.
And
blue-wave
(4,344 posts)Thank you for posting this!!
Lovie777
(12,218 posts)URA is fighting for it right now.
blue-wave
(4,344 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,788 posts)Joe Nation
(962 posts)I know it is an escalation, but something needs to be done to wake up the Russian public to what Putin is doing in Ukraine.
What kind of weapons would Ukraine need in order to hit Russian cities? Given them those weapons and see how long Putin lasts.
My 2 cents.
blue-wave
(4,344 posts)You want pooty in the hot seat within the kremlin? Let Ukraine bomb Russia after pushing their troops back over the border!!!!
Irish_Dem
(46,538 posts)blue-wave
(4,344 posts)Unconditionally surrender to Ukraine and find his butcher ass in a Ukrainian prison with the rest of his humanity hating kremlin rats.
Warpy
(111,168 posts)I can see the last ditch defense of Mariupol, kids in ruined high rises throwing rubble. That's no joke, I've seen what a brick thrown off a 4 story building at a police car can do.
Besides, if Ukraine troops are freed from the northern Kyiv suburbs, they'll head right to Mariupol, making the Russians fight on two fronts
not that he's pulling back, I think they're just horribly short on ammo.
Chainfire
(17,474 posts)They would be shipping his dead soldiers back by the trainload.
littlemissmartypants
(22,590 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,476 posts)There are millions of Ed Silks fighting in Ukraine now: http://arlingtoncemetery.net/easilk.htm
blue-wave
(4,344 posts)Ed Silk and all other heroes and defenders of freedom. Heroyam Slava!!! Slava Na Viki!!!