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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,900 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:00 PM Mar 2022

New era at ATF? Agency shuts down cheap gun manufacturer in win for control groups

Source: USA Today

The nation’s gun regulatory agency took the rare step of revoking the license of an American gun manufacturer, a win for a gun control group that has dogged the company tied to illegal trafficking of the cheap guns.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives acknowledged in court Wednesday that it would revoke the license of Nevada-based JA Industries, LLC, a reorganization of Jimenez Arms, which has long garnered the attention of Everytown for Gun Safety, an organization that advocates gun control.

Kansas City filed a lawsuit against Jimenez Arms in 2020 alleging the pistol manufacturer created a public nuisance by fueling illegal gun trafficking in the city with its low quality zinc alloy pistols that can retail for $150. The family of a shooting victim also sued the company.

Jimenez declared bankruptcy shortly after the suit was filed, then quickly obtained a new federal firearm license for the same owners in the same city.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-era-at-atf-agency-shuts-down-cheap-gun-manufacturer-in-win-for-control-groups/ar-AAVGzqC

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New era at ATF? Agency shuts down cheap gun manufacturer in win for control groups (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2022 OP
I won't know how to feel about this until DU's gun lobby tells me that it's against freedom Orrex Mar 2022 #1
Exactly where does the line get crossed? James48 Mar 2022 #2
If you can market a satisfactory quality firearm for $150, go for it. bluedigger Mar 2022 #3
Make each gun $700 million Orrex Mar 2022 #4
This was done melm00se Mar 2022 #8
Unless I'm mistaken, those criteria only apply to weapons being imported. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #9
Minnesota still enforces Saturday Night Special laws NickB79 Mar 2022 #10
I had no idea. It even bans decent guns such as some Walther .22 pistols. Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #11
Well, as long as you're asking.... Dial H For Hero Mar 2022 #6
Great news. If only we can keep a Democrat in office for more than one or two terms. Martin68 Mar 2022 #5
They tried to Glenn Beck it: maxsolomon Mar 2022 #7

James48

(4,435 posts)
2. Exactly where does the line get crossed?
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:14 PM
Mar 2022

This said $150 pistol. That apparently is "too cheap".

So- what should the minimum price of a handgun be? Is that how you are proposing to limit firearms? By price?

Just so I fully understand the answer, are you saying that those who are poor should not be able to purchase a firearm, or are you saying you propose to offer compensation to those too poor to buy their own weapons? A "Firearm Stamps" program to boost the ability of the poor to afford to own a gun? Both would be interesting arguments to debate.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
3. If you can market a satisfactory quality firearm for $150, go for it.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:24 PM
Mar 2022

The price was simply illustrative of the market for piece of crap handguns. I doubt the msrp was part of the ruling.

Orrex

(63,199 posts)
4. Make each gun $700 million
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:31 PM
Mar 2022

And each bullet $800 million.

I don't accept that your question is asked in good faith, so I tailor my answer accordingly.

melm00se

(4,989 posts)
8. This was done
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 01:44 PM
Mar 2022

back in the days of the "Saturday Night Specials" so we get to rollback the clocks to then.

Every pistol will go thru this checklist



and woe betide the gun (and gun manufacturer) that doesn't meet the arbitrary threshold.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
9. Unless I'm mistaken, those criteria only apply to weapons being imported.
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 02:48 PM
Mar 2022

Those of domestic manufacture have no such restrictions.

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
10. Minnesota still enforces Saturday Night Special laws
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 06:09 PM
Mar 2022

Ruger makes an inexpensive .22LR revolver with a zinc alloy frame for $150. It's made in the USA, but we can't buy it here. 50 miles away in Wisconsin it's readily available.

 

Dial H For Hero

(2,971 posts)
6. Well, as long as you're asking....
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:26 PM
Mar 2022

I'm curious if the low price point of these (admittedly lousy) guns was part of the justification for revoking their license. If so, I disagree. One shouldn't be disallowed from selling an otherwise legal product just because it's cheap.

As for the rest, making false statements to the ATF and shipping firearms to a gun trafficker (unnamed in the article) would certainly seem to be valid reasons for revocation of their license.

maxsolomon

(33,292 posts)
7. They tried to Glenn Beck it:
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 11:51 AM
Mar 2022
Jimenez declared bankruptcy shortly after the suit was filed, then quickly obtained a new federal firearm license for the same owners in the same city.

That prompted extraordinary actions by Everytown, which bought up the entire inventory of Jimenez pistols and gun frames at a bankruptcy auction and had them destroyed.

The group then filed a separate lawsuit along with Kansas City and the state of Illinois against the ATF for awarding the new company a license – the suit that led to Wednesday's action. It alleged that because of false statements to the ATF and the unlawful shipment of guns to a gun trafficker, Jimenez was disqualified from holding an FFL.


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