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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,192 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 09:20 PM Apr 2022

Greene sues to stop challenge to her reelection eligibility

Source: AP

ATLANTA (AP) — U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene filed a lawsuit Friday challenging a state law that a group of voters is using to challenge her eligibility to run for reelection.

The challenge filed last month with the Georgia secretary of state's office alleges that Greene, a Republican, helped facilitate the Jan. 6, 2021, riot that disrupted Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s presidential election victory. That violates a provision of the 14th Amendment and makes her ineligible to run for reelection, the challenge says.

Greene’s lawsuit asks a judge to declare that the law that the voters are using to challenge her eligibility is itself unconstitutional and to prohibit state officials from enforcing it.

A rarely cited part of the 14th Amendment says no one can serve in Congress “who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress . . . to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.” Ratified shortly after the Civil War, it was meant in part to keep representatives who had fought for the Confederacy from returning to Congress.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/greene-sues-stop-challenge-her-211017384.html

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Greene sues to stop challenge to her reelection eligibility (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2022 OP
And she'll win. brooklynite Apr 2022 #1
Sadly, yes. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #2
Sad that her tyranny will win ck4829 Apr 2022 #28
So, MTG is claiming that an amendment to the Constitution is itself Unconstitutional? Fiendish Thingy Apr 2022 #3
Once they use the word unconstitutional Mr.Bill Apr 2022 #4
Exactly. soldierant Apr 2022 #7
or republican Jerry2144 Apr 2022 #8
That's pretty much the "both". cstanleytech Apr 2022 #12
My bet is that she will win as her attorneys will argue that she has not been convicted cstanleytech Apr 2022 #23
I don't recall any former members of Congress who served the Confederacy being convicted of anything cab67 Apr 2022 #25
I think the courts will be very wary of ruling in her favor azureblue Apr 2022 #21
Meh. SCROTUS renders the Constitution powerless on a daily basis. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #30
And the Second Amendment could have conceived weapons that fire hundreds of rounds/min. usaf-vet Apr 2022 #5
"A well regulated militia" The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #18
Their goal has always been to use abortion and a political wedge. At best they are pro-birth. usaf-vet Apr 2022 #33
This 10,000 % msfiddlestix Apr 2022 #32
The Constitution is unconstitutional ... aggiesal Apr 2022 #6
Imagine How Smart The People Who Vote For MTG Are DanieRains Apr 2022 #9
Is she saying the Constitution is unconstitutional? Hekate Apr 2022 #10
Have some chocolate pie, Marjorie. trusty elf Apr 2022 #11
No, no, no! intheflow Apr 2022 #13
Has anyone proved she participated? intheflow Apr 2022 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2022 #15
In my mind, that is the strongest part of the Constitution for eliminating these traitors bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #16
You'll find lots of DUers claiming the 14th is irrelevant, because...reasons. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #31
Because they insist on coupling it with 2/3 expulsion, but that's not what A14 says bucolic_frolic Apr 2022 #34
Right, the 2/3 works opposite to the usual sense, in the 14th. lagomorph777 Apr 2022 #35
Interesting liberalgunwilltravel Apr 2022 #17
Yeah, exactly Farmer-Rick Apr 2022 #20
What she did was treason. The Jungle 1 Apr 2022 #19
ESAD, Marjorie... GB_RN Apr 2022 #22
Her defense jmowreader Apr 2022 #24
Interesting AnnetteChaffee Apr 2022 #26
Lazy "legislator" wants to continue the grift of her idiot donors. nt oasis Apr 2022 #27
Crazy nut should be behind bars! Emile Apr 2022 #29
Court Transcript: brooklynite Apr 2022 #36

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
23. My bet is that she will win as her attorneys will argue that she has not been convicted
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 01:23 PM
Apr 2022

Last edited Sat Apr 2, 2022, 02:43 PM - Edit history (1)

and therefore she cannot be denied the right to run for elected office.
Of course its going to depend on what the amendment exactly says but if it does not specifically declare the need for a conviction the Conservative Republican stolen majority on SCOTUS will likely rule in her in her favor.
Just like how they have done for the 2nd to serve their own goals even though the 2nd clearly states the right to own guns is for a well regulated militias which we do have but only via the military which could be interpreted that to own guns you need to be part of the military.

cab67

(3,007 posts)
25. I don't recall any former members of Congress who served the Confederacy being convicted of anything
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 02:28 PM
Apr 2022

azureblue

(2,150 posts)
21. I think the courts will be very wary of ruling in her favor
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 09:29 AM
Apr 2022

Because this would open the door to declaring any other part of the Constitution invalid..

usaf-vet

(6,207 posts)
5. And the Second Amendment could have conceived weapons that fire hundreds of rounds/min.
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 11:10 PM
Apr 2022

Funny how the Constitution is twisted into pretzels to win in one case but with the next case, it is demanded, that it be kept straight as an arrow.

The entire lot of lawmakers are disingenuous at best if not out and out liars day after day.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
18. "A well regulated militia"
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 08:37 AM
Apr 2022

These fools want to end abortion but have no problem with crazy people owning guns and killing babies in school.

usaf-vet

(6,207 posts)
33. Their goal has always been to use abortion and a political wedge. At best they are pro-birth.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 10:37 AM
Apr 2022

After that, the newborn, the mother, and other siblings are ON THEIR OWN.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
9. Imagine How Smart The People Who Vote For MTG Are
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 12:15 AM
Apr 2022

I will bet the clumps in my cat box have more intelligence....

intheflow

(28,501 posts)
14. Has anyone proved she participated?
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 05:11 AM
Apr 2022

I mean, we all know she was all in, but has the J6 committee formally linked her to the insurrection yet? Hopefully I missed that update, there’s so much to keep track of.

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
16. In my mind, that is the strongest part of the Constitution for eliminating these traitors
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 06:57 AM
Apr 2022

It doesn't mention how to expel them, it says they shall not serve and provides a remedy to reinstate them by 2/3 vote.

If that literal interpretation could be made to stick, Congress would be 1/3 empty!

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
34. Because they insist on coupling it with 2/3 expulsion, but that's not what A14 says
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 10:40 AM
Apr 2022

A14 says outta here unless reinstated by 2/3 vote. But the enforcement for not serving is unmentioned. Perhaps it's more geared to lawsuits preventing those disqualified from running?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
35. Right, the 2/3 works opposite to the usual sense, in the 14th.
Thu Apr 7, 2022, 10:42 AM
Apr 2022

True, the mechanism of enforcement is unmentioned; your theory that they expected lawsuits seems a fair guess.

17. Interesting
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 07:12 AM
Apr 2022

What I find interesting is that she isn't saying that she isn't an insurrectionist or seditious conspirator, what's she's apparently saying is I got caught and I don't like the fact that you want to enforce the laws I broke.

Farmer-Rick

(10,207 posts)
20. Yeah, exactly
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 09:14 AM
Apr 2022

It will be interesting what evidence and arguments she brings to court.

Won't she have to establish standing?

"Standing is a legal term which determines whether the party bringing the lawsuit has the right to do so. Standing is not about the issues, it's about who is bringing the lawsuit and whether they have a legal right to sue."

So she will have to prove she committed insurrection or rebellion against the United States to be able to bring this lawsuit successfully? Do you think she can prove it for the court that she is actually an insurrectionist?

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
24. Her defense
Sat Apr 2, 2022, 02:26 PM
Apr 2022

“Your Honor, I freely admit that I helped facilitate the attempt to stop Joe Biden from taking President Trump’s rightful place. But I stopped my activities fifteen minutes before swearing the oath. The Constitution clearly states ‘having previously taken an oath…’ and since I hadn’t previously taken the oath you can’t do a thing to me.”

“So…would you like to explain what you were doing in the Willard Hotel on the night of January 5, two days after you were sworn in?”

AnnetteChaffee

(1,979 posts)
26. Interesting
Sun Apr 3, 2022, 11:33 AM
Apr 2022

We have Constitutional scholars out there - MSNBC should have one of them on there to discuss this. I'd be interested to see if this would be held up or if her challenge would be denied. Saying something is unconstitutional is a buzz word, WHY do they claim that a part of the Constitution is unconstitutional? Provide the details that you base this claim on.

You can't on one hand stand there and state that everything should be as the Constitutional states, and on the other hand say it isn't to protect yourself against a lawsuit. If you are going to challenge the Constitution, then you better bring a good case because this would be bigger than a state lawsuit.

Oh, and I eagerly await the results of the 1/6 commission who may take care of this in any event

Annette

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
36. Court Transcript:
Fri Apr 8, 2022, 09:10 PM
Apr 2022

Plaintiff: We want Marjorie Taylor Greene removed from the ballot for Insurrection under the 14th Amendment.
Judge: Has the Defendant been convicted of Insurrection under 18 U.S. Code § 2383?
Plaintiff: No.
Judge: Has the Defendant been indicted for Insurrection under 18 U.S. Code § 2383?
Plaintiff: No.
Defendant: Move for dismissal.

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