A Russian rocket that struck a Ukrainian train station and killed dozens of people had 'For the chil

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

Source: Yahoo News

A Russian rocket that hit a Ukrainian train station had "For the children" written on the side.

The Friday morning attack in Kramatorsk killed dozens and injured over 100 people, authorities said.

Civilians had flocked to the train station to evacuate the city ahead of an anticipated Russian assault.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/russian-rocket-struck-ukrainian-train-145232642.html

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A Russian rocket that struck a train station and killed dozens in eastern Ukraine on Friday had a Russian phrase meaning "For the children" written on its side, Ukrainian officials said.

Can they get any lower?

[Coventina]

1. To answer your question: they will try.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Putin is deliberately taunting the West. He can do whatever he wants and no one can stop him.

[TomSlick]

3. Exactly.

NATO will not react with force because of western Europe's dependence on Russian oil and gas. The US will not react to avoid splitting NATO. The public in the US and western Europe will not support responding with force from fear of a nuclear attack.

Putin is free to rape and murder the Ukrainians into submission. The only question then will be which country is next.

[onecaliberal]

9. This is a sick and disgusting world. I'm so fed up with living in it.

[Evolve Dammit]

10. I hear ya. My small family keeps me going, but some days the senseless horror is overwhelming.

Despite tech, it's a more complicated, frustrating world creating financial hardship. Coupled with the violent inhumanity and knowing that millions are just fine with that, makes it really disturbing. I guess we really haven't made any significant advances in basic human violence, other than the U.S. finally made lynching a real crime and despite beratement and racism, we have a POC female VP and Supreme. I have to savor these things. But I hear ya.

[onecaliberal]

14. After visiting the Museum of Tolerance in LA again recently

it makes me severely sick to think the world doesn't really mean never again... It really depends upon the dirt in which you stand. Truly sickening. Ukraine isn't even the first country this sick fuck has rolled over. AND we were still working with putrid until this.

[Evolve Dammit]

22. Agreed. I'm not sure where this will end, in part because he may just keep going. Will the "free

world" intervene? Remains to be seen. Never thought WWI and WII would have not been something that truly would never be contemplated or played out again, but obviously I was wrong. Take care

[Irish_Dem]

36. "Never again" is a quaint relic of days gone by.

A bully with nukes can control the world.

[onecaliberal]

38. Exactly. They think putrid is "up against a corner". The way I see it is he sees the world

Letting him drop bombs on children. Letting him send his monsters to rape children and commit unspeakable crimes. It’s the third country he’s done this to. He’s got a tiger by the tail and he’s not going to stop.

[Irish_Dem]

44. He has gotten away with everything he has done so far.

Why would he stop?

[onecaliberal]

49. IMO he will not stop. Iran and China are funding the monsters war.

[Irish_Dem]

16. Yes, good summary of situation.

Yes which country will be next?
Whichever country Putin fancies is the answer.

[PatSeg]

4. He is behaving like a mad man

with nothing left to lose. Meanwhile, he'll just turn around and say it is "fake news". What a monster.

[Irish_Dem]

17. He is acting like a man showing the west who is boss.

[PatSeg]

21. Apparently he believes his own hype

It is like he daring the West to stop him.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Yes he could be daring us to retaliate.

But he is realty based, he is not suffering yet from any consequences. His money is safe.

[PatSeg]

27. I think he is losing touch with reality though

Nothing he is doing is rational and daring us to retaliate is dangerous and suicidal.

[Irish_Dem]

29. I can argue he is merely fulfilling his long time dream.

Of being a global superpower and bringing down the west. He is a ruthless sociopath and currently his behavior is consistent with that diagnosis.

But who knows. He could be losing it.

[PatSeg]

33. Maybe a bit of both

He is behaving like the cartoon villain who wants to "Rule the world"! History seems to indicate that generally doesn't end well for the villains. I suppose they all believe that they will be the exception to the rule. What they don't realize is that nothing will ever be enough and they will live in a constant state of dissatisfaction and yearning. Though I do believe he gets a certain fulfillment from violence and destruction. It is hard to understand a mind like his.

[Irish_Dem]

37. Yes he needs to be careful what he asks for.

Being a superpower means lots of headaches.

He is a ruthless sociopath and the only things important to him are money and power. He wants dominance. He gets a lot of pleasure seeing others suffer.

[PatSeg]

40. And as so many tyrants before him,

he thinks money and power will satisfy whatever is missing in his soul. When he's not satisfied, he thinks the solution is MORE. We see this with the ultra rich as well. What do you do when you can have pretty much anything you want, but nothing eases your hunger? I wonder what happened to him in his early childhood to make him such a shell of a human being.

[Irish_Dem]

45. It is a money addiction. No amount of money is ever enough.

There always has to be more of something to feed the hole in his soul.

Yes something had to have happened in his childhood. Abuse, deprivation, etc.
Some people think there might be a genetic link to this pathology too.

[PatSeg]

52. The combination of an abusive childhood

and bad genes could explain a whole lot, though still hard to truly understand.

[Irish_Dem]

53. Right, I know.

People who enjoy killing, cruelty, tormenting others.
Hard to understand this.

[PatSeg]

54. Yes, I think with some people

it goes beyond environment. It is like something in their brains is wired wrong and their environment can counteract it or make it worse.

[Irish_Dem]

55. Nature vs nurture

The field of psychology goes back and forth on origins of psychopathology.

I think it is probably a combination of factors. Yes some people have faulty wiring.

[PatSeg]

56. Yes, no simple answers

and there will probably always be the unknowable. People are so complex.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. He CAN'T do whatever he wants. He WILL be STOPPED. I don't know where you get your idea. . nt

[PatSeg]

34. Irish Dem seems to be referring to Putin's mindset

not reality. He believes he can do whatever he wants and that no one will stop him. He has been in power for too long and has lived in a delusional bubble where his sycophants feed him whatever he wants to hear.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. Thanks. . . . nt

[Irish_Dem]

47. Yes this is how he feels for sure.

But some of it is reality as I said below. All the horrible things he has done with no consequences. So he feels emboldened.

[Irish_Dem]

46. FACTS: He has gotten away with everything so far. Third country he has treated this way.

He bought half the US Congress, US media and a sitting president.
Has stolen the wealth of Russia, poisons opponents.

And NO consequences so far.

So he is emboldened and sees no limits on his behavior.

[packman]

5. O.K. - read some comments on another site about this

Apparently - Russian troops have been feed the propaganda that Ukrainians were/are "children eaters" because they were told that during WWII they were starving and ate children. For them to write that meant the troops are being indoctrinated to hate the Ukrainians and , thus, bombing them with those messages seem to make it all justified in their evil,, twisted minds.

[PatSeg]

28. That would explain it I suppose

We have no idea how brainwashed these troops are, but from the stories we've heard, it sounds pretty bad.

[Igel]

43. It's said that the soldiers involved posted to Telegram.

They took out a train station crawling with fascist militants.

Then the news broke and Russian media corrected them--the soldiers were wrong, they didn't actually do what they thought they did.

[PatSeg]

51. What a nightmare

Sounds like total chaos.

[ck4829]

32. Survival cannibalism - for a famine Russia caused

Russia continuing to have a ‘normal’ one.

[Botany]

6. It looks like day before the Russians hit the train station in Kramatorsk they bombed the road ....

... out of town so if you wanted to escape the town and go west you had to take the train. Hence the
rail station might have had even more people there when they hit it with a missile attack. They hit
women, children, and seniors trying to flee the war they caused. Putin and company were trying to cause
even more death and bloodshed.

Kill 'em all and that starts with Putin. If you are a Russian fighter in Ukraine and you don't surrender then
you should be dead. BTW I don't see the Ukrainians being "nice" to any Russian POWs.

Putin is trying to rub his cruelty in our faces by killing innocent people in Ukraine.

[IronLionZion]

7. To kill the children? Or to save the children from something by killing them?

This seems like GOP/Qanon pretending to care about children by dismantling our public education system here in the US.

[Baked Potato]

12. Agreed ⬆️

[onecaliberal]

8. They're purposely bombing and raping children and all we can do is say stop and suspend their

membership on a human rights council. You can't make this shit up. There is NO moral authority in this world as long as we let this continue to happen. What the fuck is wrong with people?

[Justice matters.]

23. There is no official "world police" but if you want to create it, good luck. NT

[Jack-o-Lantern]

11. We are a specious of violent bloodthirsty hairless apes.

We not only destroy each other, but the entire planet.

[Irish_Dem]

48. Sums up our situation quite accurately. :(

[mahina]

59. Actually mostly we are not. It was Margaret Mead who

Wrote the paper proving that.

https://read.dukeupress.edu/books/book/2666/chapter-abstract/1957071/War-is-Only-an-Invention-Not-a-Biological?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Duke University Books
War is Only an Invention—Not a Biological Necessity
Margaret Mead
https://doi.org/10.1215/9781478007135-081

[Kablooie]

13. The meaning is "In vengeance for the children"

Russian propaganda has accused Ukrainian troops of killing children.

It seems Russian people eat up Putin's propaganda 100%.
At the beginning the world blamed Putin but not the Russian people. That is changing.
Soon all of Russia will become the enemy just as regular people in Nazi Germany became enemies for not opposing the regime.

[onecaliberal]

15. In my mind, I am already there.

[IronLionZion]

18. Pure propaganda

Russia has been claiming that Ukraine has been killing Russian children in Donbas for the last 8 years. It's bonkers to think bombing areas crowded with civilians including children could be justified by anything. But supposedly enough Russians believe it.

[Justice matters.]

25. But there are children in the crowd they bombed...

So they killed children in order to save them.

[Warpy]

19. Skeptic warning

No one knows if this was painted before or after the attack. However, if Putin thinks he's going to create panic by targeting women, children and old folks, he's very badly mistaken. He will only generate a white hot fury among formerly pro Russian eastern Ukrainians and we can expect to see them committing a few atrocities, too, as this war drags on.

(The reason I'm a little skeptical about the "for the children" is that Russian guided missiles aren't that well guided)

[Beastly Boy]

35. There are several questions about the rocket, but it looks like the letters were painted before the

launch. Looking at the pictures, there are burns towards the rear of the rocket, and they appear to cover parts of the last letter. If the letters were painted after the rocket landed, the paint would cover the burns. It's very difficult to fake this effect otherwise.

[Kashkakat v.2.0]

61. Do missles really "land" though? Or explode - I dont really know so this is more of a question than

more of a question than a statement.

[Beastly Boy]

62. That is one of the questions that I alluded to before.

The condition of the rocket after landing, the crater it created, the fairly light damage it sustained, are peculiar and may suggest that the rocket malfunctioned at some point. But the burn marks over the painted letter suggest that the paint went on first, and the burn marks went on top of that.

[AntiFascist]

20. Whatever happened with the Ukrainian Grom-2 missile project?

it sounds like this may have been what the Russians were most worried about Ukraine developing:

...
According to Ukrainian online news resource Apostrophe, Grom-2 is so advanced that it will change the balance of power between Ukraine and Russia, and allow the Ukrainian military to crush the fledgling breakaway republics in the war-torn Donbass region. Citing local experts, the outlet stressed that the Grom-2's range would allow its missiles to target Moscow, "and consequently, any attempt to launch full-scale aggression against Ukraine will end in us hitting targets on Russian territory."
...

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/grom.htm

[ripcord]

24. And like 1939 Europe and the U.S. will watch nt

[Justice matters.]

30. In 1939, Europe didn't watch.

France and the UK declared war against nukes-less Germany after hitler attacked Poland. France was attacked by Nazi Germany next and quickly surrendered.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

39. While that phrase can be translated as "for the children," the Russian phrase written on the missile

carries the implication of "on behalf of (our) children." It's like a rallying cry, not a tag on a birthday present.

[EndlessWire]

42. How to proceed.

There is a single NATO warship hanging out in the Aegean. At least, it's the only one that has its AIS turned on.

Good thing I'm not President. I'd bypass the train stations and head straight for Moscow and the Kremlin.

The Russians already sank NATO shipping. Why do they get to do that??

[FrankTC]

50. State Sponsor Of Terrorism

Russia should be designated a state sponsor of terrorism. Legally this might make them accountable in US courts for damages to US nationals. It might also further discourage other states from helping them evade sanctions. Morally it might shame them — I know — or at least help them appreciate that their lies about Ukraine bombing their own citizens aren’t working.

[Blue_Tires]

57. Greenwald and Snowden were unavailable for comment...

[dalton99a]

58. This is the asshole who ordered the attack:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dvornikov

On 13 December 2012, Dvornikov became a lieutenant general. On 13 December 2014, he was promoted to colonel general. In September 2015, Dvornikov became the first commander of the Russian Armed Forces in Syria during the Russian military intervention in Syria. On 17 March 2016, he was awarded the title Hero of the Russian Federation for his leadership.[6]

In July 2016, Dvornikov became the Southern Military District's acting commander. He was confirmed in the position on 20 September 2016.[1][7] By a decree from President Putin, Dvornikov was promoted to the rank of army general on 23 June 2020.[8] In April 2022 he was placed in charge of military operations during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. [9]

[ripcord]

60. I wonder if there is any atrocity that will move NATO countries from the position of spectators n/t