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Botany

(70,515 posts)
Mon May 9, 2022, 08:33 AM May 2022

Mississippi Gov. defends law forcing incest survivors to carry babies to term: 'It's less than 1 %.

Source: Independent

'When you look at the number of [abortions] that actually involve incest, it's less than 1 per cent'

Mississippi governor Tate Reeves has defended a state law that forces women and girls impregnated through incest to carry their babies to term.

"Why is it acceptable in your state to force girls who are victims of incest to carry those children to term?" Mr Reeves was asked in an interview

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/mississippi-abortion-incest-tate-reeves-b2074435.html



Christo-Fascists ...

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You can read more @ this link ... he also talked about the potential banning of IUDs and plan B pills (morning after
pill ... I think)

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/tate-reeves-jake-tapper-mississippi-incest-abortion-1350469/

Vomit worthy audio @ link …. Mississippi wants to reach out to those young women and help them get the resources they need to “keep the baby.” (very very rough quote but I couldn't listen to Tain't again)
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Mississippi Gov. defends law forcing incest survivors to carry babies to term: 'It's less than 1 %. (Original Post) Botany May 2022 OP
What an ass. 1% is significant - and the % shouldn't matter. harumph May 2022 #1
asshole - exactly my sentiments vlyons May 2022 #3
I don't believe that figure of 1% either but even if it is 1% but if you are a 13 year old girl ... Botany May 2022 #5
Exactly right HighFired49 May 2022 #46
Some young lady in Mississippi might have to be forced to carry her rapist uncle's child to .... Botany May 2022 #47
Even by southern governor standards, Tate Reeves is shit-for-brains garbage. (nt) Paladin May 2022 #2
My gawd . . . Lovie777 May 2022 #4
And the number of people who caught Covid and died is... mwooldri May 2022 #6
It's like the barely told story of women prisoners shackled while delivering BumRushDaShow May 2022 #7
In that case, the state should consider a 90% tax multigraincracker May 2022 #8
Amen to that! RicROC May 2022 #22
So women are just a statistic to these monsters PatSeg May 2022 #9
Even if that's true, why is it acceptable for those 1%? IronLionZion May 2022 #10
If rape is illegal Karma13612 May 2022 #11
"I can't wrap my head around any of this...." Botany May 2022 #12
what are the statistics of rape by the father/uncle/family member? RicROC May 2022 #24
Voter fraud is .0025%, but is WAY TO MUCH and IMMEDIATE and SEVERE ACTION NEEDED krispos42 May 2022 #13
Incest often happens to young girls, and Republicans are saying that their lives don't matter. Lonestarblue May 2022 #14
Wonder if he'd feel different if it were his daughter Marthe48 May 2022 #15
1+ keithbvadu2 May 2022 #26
Can you please post this as an OP, Marthe? Lars39 May 2022 #27
I read this to the end. Tears swelled up. secondwind May 2022 #29
Including Congress Bayard May 2022 #33
Brilliant idea. I know someone like Liz Warren would be willing to read them out. Karma13612 May 2022 #43
Utterly heartbreaking moose65 May 2022 #36
He has two daughters. Wonder how much he knows about incest? sinkingfeeling May 2022 #16
He'd never have to think about it moose65 May 2022 #37
Bet he feels differently about identifying/preventing corporate fraud, which has a higher prevalence Raven123 May 2022 #17
What about the so-called gene pool, or whatever it's secondwind May 2022 #18
How does he know it's less than 1%? zanana1 May 2022 #19
"How does he know it's less than 1%?" Botany May 2022 #21
Demographics? jeffreyi May 2022 #20
If there have been 60 million abortions since Roe NickB79 May 2022 #23
1% eh? PXR-5 May 2022 #25
What a POS. It doesn't matter. The focus on this one aspect is ridiculous. 58Sunliner May 2022 #28
Isn't this the same governor who called fetuses "Americans" and abortion is killing Americans? XacerbatedDem May 2022 #30
No woman or girl carries a child. That would be an embryo then a fetus. LizBeth May 2022 #31
Exactly. Karma13612 May 2022 #39
Right, like pro life when they are anything but.... LizBeth May 2022 #40
Well said.....eom Karma13612 May 2022 #44
THIS SunSeeker May 2022 #50
Yeah. SURE they do ("help them get the resources they need..." calimary May 2022 #32
Finding exceptions to their binary religious understanding of abortion rights is pointless. maxsolomon May 2022 #34
In some ways I think we're playing into THEIR HANDS by hyping these exceptional instances Hugh_Lebowski May 2022 #35
I'm thinking you just might have a point. Karma13612 May 2022 #41
When does the "less than 1% is not significant enough" rule apply? Make7 May 2022 #38
It is Mississippi for fuck sakes pwb May 2022 #42
There is Rebl2 May 2022 #45
These people are psychopaths. Initech May 2022 #48
the Whittaker Family: the Horrors O Inbreeding EnterwebsJohn May 2022 #49
They're going to support young women? Like hell they will. area51 May 2022 #51
This kind of talk destroyed political careers just 10 years ago. SouthBayDem May 2022 #52
Fewer than 1% of US citizens are ever murdered, so obviously it's pointless to outlaw murder. eppur_se_muova May 2022 #53
Forget masks and vaccines, there's no epidemic. We only lost one million lives. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2022 #54

harumph

(1,900 posts)
1. What an ass. 1% is significant - and the % shouldn't matter.
Mon May 9, 2022, 08:39 AM
May 2022

Moreover, I'm thinking that self reportage of incest caused

pregnancies is likely way low and hence the 1% is

artificially low.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
3. asshole - exactly my sentiments
Mon May 9, 2022, 08:49 AM
May 2022

little Suzy only knows that she's 100% pregnant with Uncle Jack, or Brother Bob, or Cousin Kevin, or her Daddy's baby.

I keep being impressed at how much Margaret Atwood was able to see in her chrystal ball

Botany

(70,515 posts)
5. I don't believe that figure of 1% either but even if it is 1% but if you are a 13 year old girl ...
Mon May 9, 2022, 08:52 AM
May 2022

Last edited Mon May 9, 2022, 02:34 PM - Edit history (1)

.... raped by a family member the real figure is that your life is 100% messed up forever.

HighFired49

(351 posts)
46. Exactly right
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:40 PM
May 2022

It doesn't matter if it is only one! Not 1%, but one individual. She should not be forced to cary any pregnancy, period, not matter the reason. This stupid asshole thinks saying it's just 1% makes this heinous decision just fine. How about if we start castrating the 100% of the incestuous bastards? Still OK?

Botany

(70,515 posts)
47. Some young lady in Mississippi might have to be forced to carry her rapist uncle's child to ....
Mon May 9, 2022, 01:51 PM
May 2022

... term and that prospect is so bad to she will end her life and/or have severe mental issues.

But don't worry these people are "Christians."

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
6. And the number of people who caught Covid and died is...
Mon May 9, 2022, 08:53 AM
May 2022

.... less than 1%. It's still a million people.

Would you drink water that's 99% pure? Happy with a pay packet that's 99% correct? Happy with a vote count that's 99% accurate?

Sometimes a 1% discrepancy is okay - I'm okay with 1.01% milk fat in my 1% milk for example. In a lot of cases it isn't. Healthcare, finance and electoral maths aren't places where a 1% discrepancy is okay.

multigraincracker

(32,687 posts)
8. In that case, the state should consider a 90% tax
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:01 AM
May 2022

on the top 1% of incomes in the state. It would only affect 1%.

PatSeg

(47,491 posts)
9. So women are just a statistic to these monsters
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:01 AM
May 2022

Could they be anymore cruel and insensitive? They still view women primarily as breeders, second class citizens with fewer rights and privileges. The percentage does not matter, it still represents a lot of unnecessary pain and suffering.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
11. If rape is illegal
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:04 AM
May 2022

How can the rapist ever be allowed to get custody of the product of his violence?

Also, as far as incest goes, why aren’t the perps taken from the family situation? The mental damage being done to victims of incest is unimaginable. To make them carry the pregnancy to term is cruel and unusual punishment.

I can’t wrap my head around any of this….

Botany

(70,515 posts)
12. "I can't wrap my head around any of this...."
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:11 AM
May 2022

It has to do w/God's love and being a Christo-Fascist.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
24. what are the statistics of rape by the father/uncle/family member?
Mon May 9, 2022, 10:06 AM
May 2022

I'm sure that's part of our national dilemma, the unspoken truth. 50%?

If that pregnant girl gives birth to a daughter....how does she know that family rapist won't have his sights on her daughter in a few years? She would need to protect herself AND her girl.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
13. Voter fraud is .0025%, but is WAY TO MUCH and IMMEDIATE and SEVERE ACTION NEEDED
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:25 AM
May 2022

Covid-19 mortality rate and incest-rape abortion is 1%, but that's totally and completely "meh".

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
14. Incest often happens to young girls, and Republicans are saying that their lives don't matter.
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:34 AM
May 2022

Young girls forced to give birth are more likely to drop out of school, especially minority girls whose families cannot support another mouth to feed. And then there are the families that kick the girl out, forcing her into foster care. In Texas, foster care is rife with both physical and sexual abuse. I doubt the Mississippi system is any better. Republican politicians know that their draconian laws will never apply to them and the women in their families because they can afford secret abortions. They just want to subjugate everyone else because it makes then feel powerful.

Marthe48

(16,967 posts)
15. Wonder if he'd feel different if it were his daughter
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:35 AM
May 2022

Probably not. He doesn't have a problem with incest, babies having babies. I copy and pasted this from a friend's facebook page, no link where she got it, sorry. A long, heartbreaking list of doctors' experiences delivering babies from girls as young as 10. The description are graphic, and I couldn't read it all. That ass who thinks it is okay for tweens to be raped and impregnated should be tied to a chair with his eyes taped open like the guy in Clockwork Orange and see this list for as long as it takes for him to get human.

"When I was a medical student on my OBGyn rotation, I helped deliver an 11 year-old girl’s baby. The grandmother (her mother) was only 23. The girl’s perineum was torn apart like nothing I’d ever seen. I went to the hospital gift shop and bought a teddy bear for her. I sat with her and the new grandmother for awhile. I was afraid to ask about the father. I didn’t want to know. They were Catholic and said that their priest told them that all babies were a gift from God. A baby giving birth to a baby. I thought of all the opportunities that she would never have, what her life would be like now and forever. I still think about her 29 years later.
By Dr Pamela Troxler Demnicki
I was a med student, in my ER rotation. She was 12, septic abortion. Self inflicted. I don’t think she made it out of surgery
13 year old for me. And she clutched her stuffie throughout labor. And all I could think of was the phrase Babies having babies over and over. As she cried and sobbed over and over wanting her “Mommy”. A grandmother of maybe 40 was with her. No one else. She was planning on keeping the baby
Dr Susan Sufit
In OBGyn residency we had a patient admitted for sepsis with a knitting needle perforating her uterus. This was in a community that had an abortion clinic providing legal, safe abortion. She couldn't afford contraception, she couldn't afford the abortion clinic. So she wound up in the ICU and nearly died. ACA now provides free contraception. Sixteen states cover abortions in their Medicaid plans. That number should be 50.
Dr Kathleen Sheridan
Youngest I ever delivered was 12. So tragic. Welcome back to 1950.
Dr Carol Glowacki
I too had an 11 year old girl go into labor while on my OB rotation in medical school. She was not developed enough to even attempt a vaginal delivery and so went straight to a c-section. It was so awful. I was so sad for her. She was supposed to be hanging out with her friends, going to the mall, doing her homework, having sleep overs… not becoming a mother. 🥺
Dr Free N. Hess
Similar experience with a 12 year old but the father was present ( age 13). 😕
Dr Tana DeSimone
For me it was a 14 year old whose mother pressured her not to have an epidural. The mother wanted her to remember the pain. 😥
Dr David Nesbit
I recall the poor young girl who died of sepsis in our ICU after a self attempt at abortion
Dr Jim Withers
14 years old, alone no partner, no grandmother no one to help her but the L&D nurses. She labored for 16+ plus hours and exhausted, scared and alone cried for her mom. She had a C-section and did not want to see the baby when he was pulled from her uterus. She just wanted her mommy.
Dr Myzivazadie Zpak
I saw your post about deliveries. I was involved with the delivery of a 12-year-old whose baby was fathered by her half brother through ongoing molestation. The mother of her and the brother plan to keep both of them in the house with the new baby. It was awful.
Anonymous doc
Worked at a child abuse center- 12 yo raped by her father- gave birth to a child and said “I don’t know if I should call him my brother or my son”. She was not the only pregnant 12 you that I saw BTW. Worked in Ecuador and woman in my town died trying to give herself an abortion.
Anonymous doc
Youngest girl I help deliver had just turn 13 years old
Dr Margie Gerena Lewis
From med school, I recall a young girl early teens, who had never even had a period in here she was pregnant having a baby.
Dr Anupama Reddy
The youngest I have delivered recently was 13. I delivered her mother an year earlier
Dr Ridhima Gupta
I’ll never forget the 15 year old who was gang raped by 3 guys; today I couldn’t imagine telling her the pregnancy was a gift from God and she’ll just have to deal with it.
Dr David Victor Pinto
On my neonatal rotation I was present for the delivery of the baby of a woman in our prison system. Full term, but unsurvivable fetal malformations: spina bifida w a meningomyelocele, anencephaly with just a nubbin of cerebellum visible, gastroschisis, and failure of the chest structures to close. You could see her heart beating, because it was on the outside of her body.
The infant only lived a couple minutes. I don’t know if the mother was given the option of abortion (probably not), but in my opinion it would have been kinder for all involved for her to not have to go through the pain of a spontaneous vaginal delivery, when there was absolutely no hope that the baby would survive.
Dr Alexandra Jordan
The youngest patient I delivered was a 13 yo girl. The baby’s father was 35. The girl barely understood what was happening to her. Ah, and at the same time I had a 12 yo post partum girl being treated for post partum endometritis. As a 22 yo medical student, I couldn’t understand how this was possible. Now I do. But I don’t understand why anyone would want girls to have to face that fate.
Dr Sandra Gonzalez
10 for me……………😞
Dr Avian Tisdale
13 and cognitively delayed. Molested by a family friend. Had an abusive father who did nothing, mom was deceased. Once maternal grandparents found out they obtained custody. She was full term by then. I can't imagine how different things would have been if she had choices sooner.
Dr Allison Lynn
11 year old for me..incest rape. Catholic. Baby lived in the NICU for a year due to congenital malformations and then transferred to PICU.. died in one month after that.
Dr. Sonal Patel- Neonatologist.
14 yo in the SICU when I was a resident. Septic abortion. Suspect she instrumented herself to try to induce a miscarriage. Died after 4 days in the hospital 💔
Dr Paula Hendryx
10 yo in residency
Dr Ellen Renee
My sister's (very wanted) baby was diagnosed with multiple defects at the 20 week ultrasound, amniocentesis showed a large 2q deletion. Heart and lung defects not compatible with life, spina bifida, cleft lip and palate. She had another child at home, she hadn't saved up enough time off yet for maternity leave. She couldn't take the chance that the pregnancy might put her life at risk because she was the main breadwinner in her family and her living daughter needed a mom. She didn't want her son (Aiden) to experience any pain. The decision was best for both of them. I had to take her to her doctor's office in Northwest Florida, we were told to come after hours so the other staff wouldn't know and pay $400 cash for her to have an intracardiac potassium injection to end the pregnancy. She sang him a lullaby during the injection. I held her hand and we both cried. She was told to go to the Catholic hospital the next day and lie to them, tell them the baby stopped moving. This is when abortion is LEGAL. What the fuck will happen to women like her now?
Dr Elizabeth Pietralczyk
12 year old girl who was raped by brothers friend. Mother by her side. Her father refused to come see baby or his daughter. Child didn’t know what was going on. Sad dark days as a medical student. Hard for me too even type.
Story from fellowship I cannot bring myself to tell.
Dr Leena Ahluwalia
13 year old, mild developmental delay and mute. Never taught ASL and communicated by grunts and gestures. Raped by her uncle whom she lived with and called “dad”. Pregnancy diagnosed in the ED after concern of possible sexual assault. The only time I could imagine my catholic coworker say “Thank Gos she was able to get an abortion”.
Dr Suzanna Vm
My youngest delivery was an 11 year old. Cried with every exam.
Dr Shahrzad Tabibi
I am Brazilian
I worked in Rio de Janeiro favela / slums schools with the military peace program From 2000 - 2007
Abortion is illegal in brazil
You don’t want my stories
And…
I can tell you that nobody with money ever had problems having one in a VIP private clinic at any age
Anonymous doc
Ob: took care of a pregnant 12 yo s/p trauma admission as her brother was a member of ms13 and there was a shooting at the apartment complex she feel down the stairs running away from the shots. This is America. Gun violence and pregnant 12 yo.
Dr Katie Maloy
14 yo who had been trafficked. Luckily she was able to get an abortion. The pregnancy tissue was handed over to law enforcement.
Dr Ashley Renee.
Age 12 or 13. Didn’t know how she got pregnant with the due date what it was. Didn’t understand what caused a pregnancy and then when explained, she knew for sure she hadn’t had A penis in/near her vagina around the time she must have conceived. Don’t really know exactly what happened- drugged and raped? PTSD? Lying to protect herself? . Found out pregnant in 3rd tri. Supportive family at least.
Dr Allison Nelson
11 years old, lived with her sister and brother in law. Pregnant by BIL, sister blamed the patient. Unfortunately lost to follow up despite contacting social services when she didn't show for appointments. Not sure what happened to her
Dr Natasha Minnaert
It was a 12 year old girl in medical school. I think the FOB was her father. She looked like a deer caught in headlights the whole time. It was awful.
Dr Jennifer KL
12 year old here. She sucked a pacifier during labor and delivery. I went home and cried.
Dr Betsy Finigan
On my first day on Ob/Gyn as a medical student we had a teenager who had gotten pregnant and had tried to give herself a coathanger abortion. She was in profound sepsis as she had perforated her uterus and infected her abdomen. She was in dire straights and we had to airlift her to another academic medical center that had ECMO (it was in the early days of ECMO and only a handful of centers were equipped to handle it in adults at the time). I don't know if she survived but her chances were very slim. I thought to myself at the time, thankfully access to abortions means this is a rare occurrence. I'm sure there will be many many more cases similar to that one in the future if safe access to abortions is banned.
Dr Lisa Lombard
11 year old impregnated by bio father. Mother refused abortion for the 11yr and knew her husband was raping her. Said it was Gods plan. Pt delivered her own sister. I heard she died of suicide 5 years later. Not sure how any of that was Gods plan😢
Dr Sapna Singh
23 week Abortion for a 14 year old victim of invest from her brother, fetus with multiple anomalies. I'm glad she wasn't forced to become a parent, but she was from a state where, when this happens to someone else in the future, they will not have access to abortion in their state.
Dr Audrey Lance
As a medical student I delivered a 12 year old girl- her second child. The babies father was the 12 yr old's uncle. It was at a catholic hospital and they wouldn't prescribe her birth control, because they taught 'abstinence only' methods.
Dr Marny Marni Alynn
About 6mo ago, a scared 12 year old was brought to my office by her teacher who was concerned she might be pregnant due to weight gain. Her test came back positive. After difficult conversations and tears it turned out she had been repeatedly raped by her 17 year old brother and gotten pregnant.
She was already 25 weeks pregnant and horrified. More difficult conversations, police and CPS involvement followed. Poor girl went through so much.
Because of her advanced gestational age it was very difficult to find help for her, a 12 year old who is still a child herself should not have to make these decisions.
Fortunately she was able to have a procedure in San Francisco and she did really well.
I saw her back for an appointment recently and I firmly believe that terminating her pregnancy was the right decision.
I’m so disheartened..
Dr Hannah Laimer
Recently I was able to perform a safe abortion for a 10 year old raped repeatedly by her stepfather. Arms and legs covered in cutting scars. Mom had no idea any of it was happening. I don’t want to think what would have happened to her if I hadn’t been able to perform her abortion.
Dr Megan Heinlein
I took care of a 14 year old.
She was crying, during contractions. She held a teddy bear so tightly during delivery.
We moved the teddy bear and helped her hold her newborn child.
Also First day of OBGyn clerkship as a third year med student. I met the doctor at her office. We went into her office and we sat down.
Both of us looked at the new bullet proof vest on her desk, in clear plastic wrapping.
She explained how important it was, just to be able to walk in to her office past protesters, some of whom were armed.
Dr Carin Morse Van Gelder
A staff member at the ED where I used to work was caring for an 8 year old who had given birth (who was no longer living with her parents for reasons I could only assume). I couldn’t fathom it. They had said they did C section under anesthesia and were telling her it was her sibling. I gave her all the baby things I had left and money to help and I wept for her. No small child should ever have to go through that.
Dr Alison Schroth Hayward
Abortion patients I’ve cared for in the last 6 years:
-20 something year old of Middle Eastern descent who was convinced her father would kill her if he knew she was pregnant outside of wedlock
-30 something year old in a domestic violence situation with a 1 year old from a previous relationship. She couldnt tether herself to the man who was physically abusing both her and her child
-52 year old who thought she was in menopause and didn’t want to have a child
- 20 something year old with a heart transplant who had erroneously been told that no form of contraception was safe for her and she had a mole with a concurrent live twin. She lost half her blood volume
- 12 year old rape victim, both of her parents deceased from gun violence. Her grandmother drove her for Louisiana to Missouri for care
- 30 something year old with a highly desired pregnancy who PPROMed and was septic at 19 weeks but still had cardiac activity
- 20 something year old who regularly protested outside of her clinic, she was back out protesting us days later
- 30 something year old with previable HELLP. I was also pregnant. We had the same due date
All stories unique, some sadder than others, all with valid reasons.
Dr Amy
The very FIRST baby I ever delivered was to a 12 yo “mother” in Jacksonville. Hispanic. I assume Catholic. I’m sure she was given no choice but to put her little body through the trauma of pregnancy and childbirth and then give up all her dreams for her future. She was a 6th grader.
By Dr. Maricer Escalon
13 yo. Gave birth alone. No parents involved. FOB over 18. Didn’t come to the hospital because he was afraid he’d be arrested. No epidural. No one to sign for it for her as a minor. Not emancipated in my state until after you give birth. That delivery still gives me nightmares. 😢
Dr Kelly Langer
I did an abortion on a 12 year old that was taken through several states by family and friends and used as a sex slave. FBI was involved.
Dr Belinda Beck
14 year old who had pigtails and held a stuffed bear during labor.
Dr Shikha Goel
My youngest patient so far -13 year old. Mother wouldn’t allow her any pain meds. Wanted her to “learn her lesson”. She was so scared and her mother gave her no comfort. I can’t imagine what her life was like after that birth.
Dr Heidi Olander
22 weeks pregnant, found to have metastatic rapidly progressing cancer filling her lungs.
Chemotherapy was delayed while the team blindly tried to know what was legal after 20 weeks and it was too early to ‘deliver’.
That week was too long. She died. As did the fetus, anyway. We don’t need more government regulation in the hospital room.
We need less.
Lives depend on it.
Dr Brit Hebert
Here’s just one of mine:
The youngest GIRL I cared for that was pregnant was 11. She was in 5th grade. Raped by a family member. She cried when we talked about a termination. She screamed in fear when we talked about labor.
She and her mom decided to terminate as long as I could guarantee there were no men in the OR. Back then I worked at a hospital that allowed terminations for rape/incest in a state where Medicaid paid for terminations for rape/incest.
The state and hospital I work in now doesn’t and the 12/13 yr old rape/incest victims I see now I send to Planned parenthood. They take great care of my patients but they don’t have the ability to put these traumatized girls to sleep.
Dr Amy Kelley
Adolescent obgyn
#neveragain
#FactsMatter
#womenmatter
Happened in residency. Uterine rupture in second trimester in woman with history of 5 cs. Fetus was pre-viable and passed prior to delivery. Couldn’t control bleeding with strong concern for accreta. Performed a chyst. Called the husband from SICU after procedure and when I explained her uterus had been removed to save her life he asked us to put it back in because he didn’t want her if she couldn’t have more children….
Anonymous doc
11 year old for me. Was in labor and didn’t even know she was pregnant. Came to the pediatric ER for abdominal pain. The perpetrator was her father. She had the baby that night and was very traumatized 💔
Dr Tracy Mc
When I was a resident, I cared for a 12 year-old girl, pregnant and a victim of a drive-by shooting who was now paraplegic (why she was hospitalized). She was 11 when she first conceived. The father was 22 years-old. Catholic family who were not pressing charges of rape because her “boyfriend” was helping the family financially. I couldn’t look at her parents and I couldn’t look at the father. I will never forget her innocent face on the pediatric ward, clutching a teddy bear above her 8 month-gravid belly. The youngest child I’ve cared for who was pregnant was 10 years old. How can anyone say it’s God’s will for a 10 year-old to have a baby or for her father to rape her? Whenever I think of these girls I cry. I also think of how young and innocent
my 7 and 11 year-old daughters are. 😞
Dr Michelle Cornman
I Was a resident, probably around 2005. Consulted for psychosis in a woman who just delivered. Her baby died in utero. That’s when I learned a c-section is a c-section and an abortion is an abortion, regardless of whether the baby is alive or dead. Too early for the team to do a c-section and an abortion was illegal because it was considered “late term”. She was forced to carry the baby for a good long time, then forced to deliver it. Go figure, she got psychotic. Who wouldn’t?! It was government mandated torture. I was against legalized abortion prior to this case. I had no idea. Another time I stayed up all night with OB trying to manage a pregnant catatonic schizophrenic who went into labor in jail after she had been starved for days (she was thought to be “faking it” so they let her sit motionless not eating or drinking). No access to ECT in my area. Dosing Ativan all night and exposing the baby with no choice; her vitals were not stable. Couldn’t go to C section because she was a few days short of the cutoff, as if two days of trying to keep a catatonic patient and her unborn kid alive was safer for either of them than going to C section. No one at the jail cared about her baby while they let her sit motionless on the ground for like a week. Baby went to CPS. If I had her when the catatonia started could have fixed the whole situation. Both of these cases haunt me.
Dr Nicole Stacey
Many people know that I had my oldest daughter when I was 15. I can relate to these stories in more ways then one. Having experienced teenage and child pregnancies in my OB/GYN rotation in medical school, I know the good and the bad.
I have never told anyone (and why I think Facebook is the right place to say it) but I remember finding out I was pregnant and trying to ram my stomach into a table as hard as I could. After I had the baby and endured the constant comments about being a whore and that my life was over, one of my friends became pregnant. She lived in a more affluent part of town and her mother opted for her to have an abortion. Although we had made the same mistake, we had different options. I am the exception and not the rule.
I can go on and on about this but here are the facts:
-you should have access to factual sex education prior to the time you can both have babies and make them
-you should have access to affordable and safe contraception if YOU choose to use it
-in Maryland, minors do not need parental permission for reproductive health but who is gonna pay for it?
-women should have access to safe abortion procedures.
-the same people fighting for “life” care nothing about the child once they are born. They support mass incarceration, are against universal health care, against welfare programs, against sex education in schools, and in favor of the death penalty.
You can personally feel however you want about it and you can practice in your beliefs, but your beliefs should not infringe on my right to make my own reproductive health choices. The need for the procedure should be protected just like any other health information between a patient and their doctor.
#arguewithyomama
#healthequityandpatientprivacy
#stopcriminalizingwomensrights
Dr Kathryn Delores Garrett Kelly
In America we have the right of free speech. It’s important for everyone to be able to share their stories & experiences freely without fear of retaliation or harm so others can hear all sides of a story in order to make educated and informed decisions about issues that effect us all. I share this post & my personal story in order to shed light on a very important topic we all have a voice & a vote in:
My story: It was the day before my first day of medical school & I didn’t feel well. I was teaching ice skating to make extra money to pay for tuition & had lessons scheduled for the afternoon. When I got to the skating rink I felt faint & remember asking a fellow coach for help. I then remember waking up in an emergency room with my mother & husband at my side. A young doctor came in and told me they needed to take me for an emergent ultrasound, because I was pregnant. I had been on birth control & taken it religiously. The ultrasound was extremely painful & showed a fetus of between 12-16 weeks gestation with a strong heartbeat. I couldn’t believe it since I had been having periods & had been taking my pills. Unfortunately, the next thing they found on my exam was a lot of blood & the head of the fetus was not in my uterus. Moments later a very kind, patient, caring & pregnant surgeon came to bedside to inform us of the findings & prepare me for surgery. I was in physical shock & would die if they were not able to stop the bleeding. There is no way to medically transplant a fetus to a different location in situations like mine & the fetus had no chance of survival due to it being implanted in the wrong place in my body. I had an ectopic pregnancy. The only choice was for both of us to die or for the surgeon to save my life. I lived & spent months recovering from internal bleeding & will spend my life handling the emotional part of that experience.
I admit to feeling guilt and torn about this decision I constantly. I think of that baby frequently. I now have 3 children & we speak of that baby as if it was to be a part of our family. I have interacted with the surgeon who saved my life & know it was a difficult experience for her as well.
As a physician I have never thought we may come to a point where we are unable to save a woman’s life in the event of an ectopic. I have though about how amazing it would be if we were one day able to transplant fetuses so nobody else would have to suffer in this way. I have hoped and prayed for progress & am personally terrified at the idea we are spending more time talking about stopping life saving procedures & was to end suffering than we are on ways to advance in science & medicine.
You have a right to your opinion & thoughts. You should make your opinion & vote after gathering as much knowledge & data as possible. Deciding on life or death is complicated & emotionally tolling; I should know, I am a physician & deal with life or death decisions every day.
Dr Stephanie Kaye
My first rotation of 3rd year med school was OB, in a very rural, very conservative part of Louisiana. We had a patient who was around 15, herself the product of incest of her grandfather with her mother. Her baby’s father was also her grandfather.
I recently had a first appointment (psychiatry) with a 16 yo, who has had the odds stacked against her (all the trauma, addicted parents, her own substance struggles) but has really committed to making changes, and graduating high school. Routine UPT was positive. She was able to get in to a clinic in a neighboring state. I saw her yesterday and she was so appreciative of her care at the clinic. But so terrified of what may happen when it’s not available anymore.
Dr Jen Creedon
I failed her
I was a young intern
A work up in the ER negative except for a positive pregnancy test
Congrats I said
I didn’t notice her vacant eyes - her catatonic state
Her mom was lost
My ob attending shooed me away
My utter ineptness
My catholic attending quietly did the procedure
Later I learned her uncle had raped her
Thank you Dr. D for saving her life
May I never forget her face
Dr Laura Voss
I watched a 14 year old girl labor and give birth on my 3rd year obgyn rotation in medical school. Her mother was beside her- she was 28 years old. The 14 year old gave birth to a baby girl.
Dr Molly Elain
So, let me preface by saying I loathe abortions. I have participated in (reasonable, rational) pro-life groups in med school and college, including Feminists for Life. I couldn’t have one, I couldn’t participate in one, I decided against OBGYN because I didn’t even want to discuss them. I wish they didn’t have to exist.
But.
We exist in a society where women are penalized in their careers for pregnancy and childbirth. Where the medical care for pregnancy and childbirth is not fully paid for, even with good insurance .Where child rearing is disproportionately on mothers. Where housing discrimination for mothers exists. Where employers still illegally ask about childcare commitments. Where childcare can cost more than take home pay, especially for multiple children.. Where birth control can be hard or expensive to access. Where child support frequently goes unpaid. Where rapes and molestations occur. Where rapists and molesters can force custody arrangements and subject women to years of contact with their abusers. Where kids are shielded from appropriate education about sex and birth control due to pressure from abstinence only advocates (despite scores of data showing it doesn’t work). Where birth control often comes with side effects and is never fool proof. Where maternal mortality is still an issue.
I hate abortion. I hate that it is so common. I wish it were rare or nonexistent. a D&E (for fetal demise) was the only procedure I’ve ever had to leave because I was going to pass out. I wish no one would choose this option. But as much as I wish this, I have grown to recognize that the alternatives of traumatic and dangerous pregnancies or risky illegal abortions may be worse.I am extremely pro-life but have realized that I must be pro-choice. At least until there are better options.
If you want fewer abortions, support universal health care, easy and free access to birth control, early sex education, social support systems for parents including financial/structural/anti discrimination/ societal support, passage of the ERA, elimination of the mommy tack penalties, better enforcement of child support, universal childcare, etc.
Dr Sharon Kileny
My first deliver was a 13 yo girl. Delivered a baby with anencephaly. She was so confused.
Dr Erin Ashley
Medical info re: birth control.
Did you know that Plan B is less effective in patients over 155 lbs?
Ella is effective up to a BMI of 30, less effective up to 35. Unknown over BMI 35.
Copper IUDs are the most effective post coital contraceptive. But placement can be delayed due to availability of appointments.
Daily oral contraceptive pills are also less effective in larger patients and may not provide as good endometrial or pregnancy protection.
Progesterone IUDs should be strongly considered in patients of size who want to prevent pregnancy or need endometrial protection, especially if they live or study in abortion restricted states.
You could do everything “right” TWICE and still become pregnant. Especially, if you are a larger person.
Tell your friends.
#abortionishealthcare
#abortionishealthcare
Hardest to tell stories are most important to be told
The invisible trauma
Above stories are a tip of the iceberg with challenges in healthcare for women.
I collected above cases from mentioned Doctors to shed light on the invisible trauma .
It can be hard to sympathize when we do not see struggle of others and words make those struggles visible. Our stories are the only Bridge that allow us to visit each other’s in islands of our exsistence.
Please support healthcare for women and do not deprive them of their rights on their own body.
By Dr Niveditalakhera
Please share the post to raise awareness"

Bayard

(22,083 posts)
33. Including Congress
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:26 AM
May 2022

Read it into the record. Even if rethuglicans refuse to hang around and listen.

As for it being, "God's plan," apparently God is a nasty ogre who hates young girls.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
43. Brilliant idea. I know someone like Liz Warren would be willing to read them out.
Mon May 9, 2022, 12:20 PM
May 2022

This is just heartbreaking.

moose65

(3,167 posts)
36. Utterly heartbreaking
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:45 AM
May 2022

How can these so-called Christians read stories like this and still respond like they do?

They are evil bastards who actually enjoy watching people suffer. That's all I can figure out.

moose65

(3,167 posts)
37. He'd never have to think about it
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:46 AM
May 2022

If either of his daughters ever needed an abortion, they would go off on a quick, out-of-state visit to see their Aunt Mary.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
18. What about the so-called gene pool, or whatever it's
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:41 AM
May 2022

called? If this isn’t stopped, there could be problems later on…….. sheesh 🙄

Botany

(70,515 posts)
21. "How does he know it's less than 1%?"
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:57 AM
May 2022

Because he is a mother fucker and like DeSantis, Abbott, and Noem he just makes shit up.


jeffreyi

(1,943 posts)
20. Demographics?
Mon May 9, 2022, 09:53 AM
May 2022

Do they want to increase the pink population? Scared of the non-pink people? This is really just getting ridiculous.

NickB79

(19,247 posts)
23. If there have been 60 million abortions since Roe
Mon May 9, 2022, 10:04 AM
May 2022

As the pro-life organizations like to say, that means there have been 600,000 incest abortions in the past 50 years.

600,000 is a fucking big number.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
28. What a POS. It doesn't matter. The focus on this one aspect is ridiculous.
Mon May 9, 2022, 10:24 AM
May 2022

Any measure that prevents a woman from seeking medical care and controlling her body should be illegal.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
39. Exactly.
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:56 AM
May 2022

I remember when I started hearing the phrase “unborn child”. I had cognitive dissonance. But, as time goes by the phrase has become so popular, it has been “overton windowed” into our consciousness.

It is an oxymoron. Unborn means NOT born. And the mother is not carrying a CHILD.

This purposeful misuse of terms, especially around reproduction has gotten so widespread. Like with most successful messaging, there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.



We need an emoji for “scream”🤬

calimary

(81,304 posts)
32. Yeah. SURE they do ("help them get the resources they need..."
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:15 AM
May 2022

Add a “My ASS!” to that and then you’ll have an accurate statement.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
34. Finding exceptions to their binary religious understanding of abortion rights is pointless.
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:40 AM
May 2022

God creates and places a soul into a human ovum at the moment of conception. That's just a fact (actually it's not a fact, it's a belief).

God doesn't make an except for rape or incest. Why should we?

Let's not discuss all the fertilized eggs sitting in cryogenic storage at fertility clinics.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
35. In some ways I think we're playing into THEIR HANDS by hyping these exceptional instances
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:45 AM
May 2022

Yes, I get that (we think) we're illustrating the extremity of their position, and what assholes they are ... by bringing up these more-unique (and obviously horrific) circumstances of rape and incest.

However, given the fact that their position is 'the embryo/fetus is an innocent human life, and it should not be 'murdered', regardless of the circumstances of it's conception' ... why would they acquiesce to abortions in 'cases of rape or incest'?

They literally should NOT, because that would be logically inconsistent with their overall position on the subject.

IOW, the counter-argument here is really easy for them, and to a great many people, it'll make them look BETTER, when they take it, not worse. Because it's logically consistent. That simple.

OTOH, if we acquiesce to the general idea that 'circumstances of the pregnancy ... matters!', then we are, in essence, betraying OUR principles ... which is to say ... that all women should have affordable access to abortion, period.

We would be, in effect, tacitly admitting that SOME girls/women, due to their victim status, deserve to have the privilege to choose to abort ... but non-victims of these circumstances ... maybe not as much? Which, in turn (it could be argued) implies an admission on our part that there's something inherently wrong about a woman getting an abortion in the first place, if you think it through.

In a nutshell, I feel like it's very possible that we're THINKING we're making a powerful point here when we bring up the extreme nature of their position wrt rape/incest ...

BUT ... we may be undermining ourselves in the end, because our position lacks the logical consistency of theirs, and I kinda feel like we're inherently 'giving up ground' when we, in essence, fall back to 'but what about rape/incest?!?'.

I wonder if they actually WANT our side to make a huge deal about these particular cases, because they think it helps them in a way that we're kinda missing, because we're f***ing outraged.

Please note that 'logical consistency' is not the same thing as truth, facts, overall correctness, etc.

Just something I ponder ...

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
41. I'm thinking you just might have a point.
Mon May 9, 2022, 12:13 PM
May 2022

And as an aside, my belief is that they will do everything in their power to question every claim of incest or rape. They will require proof, police reports, etc. You think rape victims have it bad now, it would be worse if they try to claim rape in order to get an abortion.

No matter how you slice it, women are getting royally f’d with the Roe overturn. Sheer chaos is going to happen.

Lastly, there are other scenarios very heart breaking as well. What happens when a woman gets diagnosed with an illness that can jeopardize the viability of the fetus? Cancer, stroke, MS, etc. What about medications used to treat the illness? A LOT of meds are teratogenic and abortifacient and strictly ill-advised during pregnancy. What does the mother do? Have law-makers even THOUGHT about this?

Oh yea, and don’t forget pre-existing conditions. If a woman with diabetes or high blood pressure gets pregnant, these will complicate the pregnancy. BUT, you can also start out as a perfectly healthy woman, get pregnant and then develop diabetes, etc. And in some cases it does not resolve with the end of the pregnancy. Also, I personally know of a young healthy gal with no medical problems what-so-ever. None. She delivered her baby and about 24 hours later had a stroke. If she had been forced to carry her pregnancy against her will, this stroke should be on the hands of the lawmakers putting her in this situation. Sh*t happens. Lawmakers are trying to make it worse.

I want to know why the medical community doesn’t get up in arms about this. Why are they staying so painfully silent? WHY?????

Make7

(8,543 posts)
38. When does the "less than 1% is not significant enough" rule apply?
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:55 AM
May 2022
In mid-March, Mississippi lawmakers passed a law banning transgender girls and women at public schools and colleges from playing on sports teams that align with their gender identity. It was necessary, Gov. Tate Reeves said the day he signed the bill, because Democratic President Joe Biden, by issuing an executive order banning gender-identity-based discrimination in school sports, was “encouraging transgenderism amongst children.”

The bill’s author, Sen. Angela Burks Hill, R-Picayune, said several high school softball coaches told her they were concerned about trans female students participating on teams with cisgender girls.

“They told me that it is imminent, that it’s going to happen in Mississippi,” Hill told the Picayune Item.

Yet when asked by reporters, neither Hill nor Reeves could name a single instance of a trans student in Mississippi outcompeting — or even playing on the same team as — their cis female classmates.

...

https://mississippitoday.org/2021/03/31/advocates-discuss-mississippi-law-banning-transgender-athletes/

It certainly didn't apply for SB 2536.

SouthBayDem

(32,026 posts)
52. This kind of talk destroyed political careers just 10 years ago.
Mon May 9, 2022, 11:28 PM
May 2022

Just ask Todd Akin or Richard Mourdock. Today? It actually attracts the Republican base!

eppur_se_muova

(36,266 posts)
53. Fewer than 1% of US citizens are ever murdered, so obviously it's pointless to outlaw murder.
Tue May 10, 2022, 02:11 AM
May 2022

No need to concern ourselves with such minor factors.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
54. Forget masks and vaccines, there's no epidemic. We only lost one million lives.
Tue May 10, 2022, 05:49 AM
May 2022

Thats way less than one percent.

Party on.

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