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Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
Thu May 26, 2022, 02:40 PM May 2022

McConnell says he has directed Cornyn to engage with Democrats on a 'bipartisan solution'on gun viol

Source: CNN

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told CNN on Thursday he met earlier in the day with Texas Sen. John Cornyn and encouraged the senior Republican senator to begin discussions with Democrats, including Sens. Chris Murphy of Connecticut and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, to see if they can find a middle ground on legislation to respond to the tragic Texas elementary school shooting.

Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are facing enormous pressure to take action in the wake of the horrific shooting, but members on both sides acknowledge the uphill battle to find common ground given the highly polarized political climate around gun legislation and widespread GOP opposition to stricter gun control.

It is significant, though, that McConnell has decided to weigh in and is giving a greenlight to a bipartisan effort on a potential legislative response to the shooting. But it still remains to be seen what, if anything, talks will amount to given that countless mass shootings in recent years have failed to break the partisan stalemate over the issue of gun policy in Congress.

McConnell would not say specifically what the contours of that legislation should be, instead signaling he wants Cornyn to be the one to negotiate.

“I met with Senator Cornyn this morning. As you know he went home yesterday to see the family members and begin the fact finding of this awful massacre and I have encouraged him to talk with Sen. Murphy and Sen. Sinema and others who are interested in trying to get an outcome that is directly related to the problem. I am hopeful that we could come up with a bipartisan solution,” McConnell told CNN.


Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/politics/mcconnell-cornyn-democrats-bipartisan-effort-gun-violence/index.html

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McConnell says he has directed Cornyn to engage with Democrats on a 'bipartisan solution'on gun viol (Original Post) Ellipsis May 2022 OP
McConnell's idea of 'middle ground' is 'do what we fucking want' Hong Kong Cavalier May 2022 #1
Cool the issue so Repukes can get thru the 2022 elections. If another massacre happens, NCjack May 2022 #20
McConnell thinks, "This little maneuver should pacify the Democrats for awhile and then jalan48 May 2022 #2
Cornyn of all people . .. Lovie777 May 2022 #3
Probably "punishment" since it happened in Cornyn's state BumRushDaShow May 2022 #6
"but members on both sides" BumRushDaShow May 2022 #4
reminds me of Mel Brooks in Blazing saddles saying Ray Bruns May 2022 #5
... BumRushDaShow May 2022 #10
And then they can vote against it. Turbineguy May 2022 #7
Want to stop ANY legislation in its tracks? Form a committee! machoneman May 2022 #8
Cuz Republicans are cooked like a Christmas goose if nothing changes bucolic_frolic May 2022 #9
Really? Based on what? maxsolomon May 2022 #15
Is this why Cornyn backed out of the NRA gunluvfest MontanaMama May 2022 #11
He did? leftieNanner May 2022 #23
Yes. Cornyn and Dan Crenshaw have said they will not appear at the convention. MontanaMama May 2022 #29
Too bad. LudwigPastorius May 2022 #32
I'd like to see a copy of the speech he would have given. Harker May 2022 #33
My hunch is: Cornyn would not be a speaker LeftInTX May 2022 #42
Cornyn, who spent a good chunk of his adult life in San Antonio, has a bit of connection to the area LeftInTX May 2022 #41
The House has already passed legislation pfitz59 May 2022 #12
Cornyn engage with anyone? Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #13
As much as I disagree with Cornyn unusually, imavoter May 2022 #55
NOBODY Jilly_in_VA May 2022 #56
Watch for the knife, Dems. lastlib May 2022 #14
LOLOLOL!!!! cornhole??? that mindless asshole is my senator. Javaman May 2022 #16
heh.n/t Ellipsis May 2022 #22
Might as well just let the NRA write the bill IronLionZion May 2022 #17
He's going to try and run out the attention span clock Bok_Tukalo May 2022 #18
Precisely! nt leftieNanner May 2022 #24
Whatever Trump says tomorrow Tom Kitten May 2022 #19
bullshit larwdem May 2022 #21
"... interested in trying to get an outcome that is *directly related to the problem*" Solly Mack May 2022 #25
Middle ground SHIT ! Sinema and Cornyn are two Rethugs . Where is a true Democrat not just in name geretogo May 2022 #26
They need Sinema to be part of the discussion Mr.Bill May 2022 #27
Don't be fooled. This is like Tim Scott padah513 May 2022 #28
at the very least write John Cornyn and demand vlyons May 2022 #30
Let me guess. LudwigPastorius May 2022 #31
That sounds Orwellian enough for sure Bristlecone May 2022 #35
And provide federal funds for arming teachers Voltaire2 May 2022 #54
Using John Cornyn as a point man is a guaranteed set-up for failure. Paladin May 2022 #34
hahahahahaahahhahahahaha n/t hibbing May 2022 #36
So Cornyn is McConnell's BillyBobBrilliant May 2022 #37
The check's in the mail... 3825-87867 May 2022 #38
I knew it. now they will take all the credit for doing it. IcyPeas May 2022 #39
Murphy okay, but sinema..I don't think so..she is as phony as they come..the cog in the asiliveandbreathe May 2022 #40
Grandstanding MF'er... nt EarthFirst May 2022 #43
Get everybody all cooled off, right Moscow Mitch? Drag your turtle feet until another session. Hekate May 2022 #44
stall and delay RussBLib May 2022 #45
You mean "to engage with Democrats to stall any bipartisan solution until the public has moved on?" regnaD kciN May 2022 #46
TRANSLATION Skittles May 2022 #47
It's the "Beto Effect". I see Abbott just canceled his NRA gig and is now going to Uvalde instead. Ellipsis May 2022 #48
The usual group of frauds. BradAllison May 2022 #49
Lucy, Charlie Brown, football, rinse and repeat n/t Withywindle May 2022 #50
Worthless gesture. Just wasting more time. That's the GOP play. nt Samrob May 2022 #51
yup more lies from the snake onetexan May 2022 #52
McConnell is all about getting and keeping power. Deminpenn May 2022 #53
Difference between Democratic and Republican gun violence bills jmowreader May 2022 #57

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
20. Cool the issue so Repukes can get thru the 2022 elections. If another massacre happens,
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:29 PM
May 2022

then blame the DEMs for not quickly accepting a GOP-do nothing patch.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
2. McConnell thinks, "This little maneuver should pacify the Democrats for awhile and then
Thu May 26, 2022, 02:47 PM
May 2022

we can get back to doing what we want."

Lovie777

(12,276 posts)
3. Cornyn of all people . ..
Thu May 26, 2022, 02:47 PM
May 2022

Ugh. GQP acting like they care, they do not.

POC and Jews - the GQP senate voted against you.

BumRushDaShow

(129,084 posts)
6. Probably "punishment" since it happened in Cornyn's state
Thu May 26, 2022, 02:53 PM
May 2022

and that lets the Carnival Cruz weasel, off the hook.

BumRushDaShow

(129,084 posts)
4. "but members on both sides"
Thu May 26, 2022, 02:50 PM
May 2022

(below is not at you but at the article characterization)

NO! It's not "both sides". Democrats have promoted bill after bill after bill for "sensible gun control" since Bill Clinton signed both the "Brady Bill" (1993) and "Crime Bill" (1994) and when the assault weapons ban sunsetted in 2004, the GOP went into full gun humper mode and have BLOCKED any attempt to bring about a what was supposed to be a "well-regulated militia" in this country.

It has devolved into the "wild wild west" instead, where your law enforcement is outgunned.

Ray Bruns

(4,098 posts)
5. reminds me of Mel Brooks in Blazing saddles saying
Thu May 26, 2022, 02:52 PM
May 2022

"We have to do something to protect our phony baloney jobs".

The republicans will do nothing. It's their MO.

bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
9. Cuz Republicans are cooked like a Christmas goose if nothing changes
Thu May 26, 2022, 02:57 PM
May 2022

Totally political move on Mitch's part.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
15. Really? Based on what?
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:04 PM
May 2022

Liberalization of Gun Laws is exactly what GQP voters want, and for the Senate, all you need is a R after your name in multiple rural states: AK, WY, MT. Gun Rights are more important to them than children's lives.

You are correct, this is McConnell "playing politics". He knows the GQP should be seen as reasonable.

leftieNanner

(15,115 posts)
23. He did?
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:37 PM
May 2022

I had not heard.

He gets 2/3 of a point for that anyway.

But we all know it's about optics and nothing else.

LudwigPastorius

(9,155 posts)
32. Too bad.
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:05 PM
May 2022

Now they'll have to send a bag man to pick up all of those donations, instead of stuffing them directly into their own pants.

Harker

(14,022 posts)
33. I'd like to see a copy of the speech he would have given.
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:08 PM
May 2022

Then again, he'll probably save it for next year.

LeftInTX

(25,367 posts)
42. My hunch is: Cornyn would not be a speaker
Thu May 26, 2022, 06:17 PM
May 2022

He's pretty careful about his image.
He tries to talk both sides, but votes evil.

NRA wants fire breathers like Ted Cruz.

LeftInTX

(25,367 posts)
41. Cornyn, who spent a good chunk of his adult life in San Antonio, has a bit of connection to the area
Thu May 26, 2022, 06:10 PM
May 2022

Cruz does not

Now, what the GOP has in mind will probably be something pretty worthless....

pfitz59

(10,381 posts)
12. The House has already passed legislation
Thu May 26, 2022, 02:59 PM
May 2022

all the Senate has to do is vote. This is smoke and mirrors. Total BS. Killing time until the next diversion.

imavoter

(646 posts)
55. As much as I disagree with Cornyn unusually,
Fri May 27, 2022, 07:42 PM
May 2022

he's not the prick dick that Cruz is.
That's why Beto didn't want to run against
Cornyn after barely missing with Cruz.

lastlib

(23,244 posts)
14. Watch for the knife, Dems.
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:02 PM
May 2022

"Sure, we'll pass gun safety measures--IF they include abortion bans, tax cuts for millionaires, welfare cuts......"

You get the idea.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
16. LOLOLOL!!!! cornhole??? that mindless asshole is my senator.
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:08 PM
May 2022

this is nothing more that a delay and distract tactic.

cornhole is part of the dumb fuck contingency of the texas "brain trust"

it's hard to believe but cornhole makes rick cement head perry look like a fucking Rhodes Scholar.

well, I hold less than zero hope for anything to be accomplished now.

aka business by the right wing as usual.

in fact, assigning cornhole, I consider fucking insulting

Solly Mack

(90,770 posts)
25. "... interested in trying to get an outcome that is *directly related to the problem*"
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:43 PM
May 2022

All too easy access to guns v. ????

Let's see...

So far Republicans have claimed it to be mental illness (a term they use as a blanket covering for what is actually a complex subject), a lack of morals, a lack of god in school, a lack of prayer, meds, doors, lack of armed teachers, more police, too few guns in school, video games, illegal immigrants, trans people, liberals, socialism, "woke" curriculum...

I know there's often a combination of factors that lead up to a a person or persons committing a mass shooting but the all too easy availability of guns is the biggie. For example, a person experiencing a mental health crisis shouldn't be able to go out and buy a gun with ease. Yet they can and do, and often with disastrous results.

Not that having a mental health crisis should be conflated with having a mental illness. A lot of people live with mental illness and they don't go around murdering people. A lot of people who have never experienced a mental illness can experience a mental health crisis - a break in their thought process.

You just can't use the term "mental illness" as a blanket answer to the problem of mass shootings and think you've solved the problem - because you haven't even scratched the surface when you do.

But a person experiencing a mental health crisis might decide to go on a shooting rampage. And then you have to look at the lack of healthcare, the lack of stability in their life, the lack of access to mental health care, lack of jobs and opportunities- as well as a whole host of other social and economic problems - you have to look at what caused the break in their thought process as well as treating the break itself. And you have to do that before the mass shooting occurs and that requires having safety nets and programs already in place.

Still, the easy access to guns makes those breaks in their thinking that much more dangerous.

A diet of hate and ignorance can also lead to mass shooting/killings. Racism/hate/bigotry should be treated as a social ill that can and does cause mass death and is itself a type of a dangerous thought process - it is a break from rational thought but not a mental illness and it's not a mental health crisis either - it's a warped way to see the world and people that is constantly being reinforced as new generations are conditioned to think that way.

Get angry, buy a gun. Feel slighted, buy a gun. The world is out to get you, buy a gun. "They" are out to replace us, buy a gun.

Easy access. Quick access. Guns. Guns. Guns.

However, I don't think the entire list of usual suspects listed by right-wingers qualify as being "directly related to the problem".

So what will they - right-wingers - claim is "directly related to the problem"?





geretogo

(1,281 posts)
26. Middle ground SHIT ! Sinema and Cornyn are two Rethugs . Where is a true Democrat not just in name
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:43 PM
May 2022

only . Just more Chess game playing by McConnel .

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
27. They need Sinema to be part of the discussion
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:44 PM
May 2022

because of her skills at changing her mind and moving the goalposts on a daily basis for long periods of time. Like until the next election.

padah513

(2,503 posts)
28. Don't be fooled. This is like Tim Scott
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:44 PM
May 2022

Dealing with police reform after George Floyd's murder. They're trying to look like they're doing something without actually doing something

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
30. at the very least write John Cornyn and demand
Thu May 26, 2022, 03:56 PM
May 2022

1. complete ban on assault type guns
2. background checks on all gun purchasers
3. minimum age of 21 to purchase

LudwigPastorius

(9,155 posts)
31. Let me guess.
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:02 PM
May 2022

McConnell and Cornyn will propose the "Protecting Our Children's Schools Act of 2022", which will give tax breaks to gun manufacturers and loosen restrictions on purchasing fully automatic weapons.

Voltaire2

(13,059 posts)
54. And provide federal funds for arming teachers
Fri May 27, 2022, 02:20 PM
May 2022

and increase funding for more military equipment for police.

For certain the minimal reform of closing background check loopholes will be off the table.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
34. Using John Cornyn as a point man is a guaranteed set-up for failure.
Thu May 26, 2022, 04:16 PM
May 2022

McConnell might as well be spitting on the graves of those dead children and teachers in Texas.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
40. Murphy okay, but sinema..I don't think so..she is as phony as they come..the cog in the
Thu May 26, 2022, 05:13 PM
May 2022

wheel..for ANYTHING..

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
44. Get everybody all cooled off, right Moscow Mitch? Drag your turtle feet until another session.
Thu May 26, 2022, 06:39 PM
May 2022

Sure, we trust you and your cohorts.


regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
46. You mean "to engage with Democrats to stall any bipartisan solution until the public has moved on?"
Thu May 26, 2022, 07:24 PM
May 2022

Fixed it for you.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
47. TRANSLATION
Thu May 26, 2022, 08:13 PM
May 2022

repukes are getting so much blow back for their usual post-mass shooting fucked up dog and pony show, they feel they have to at least PRETEND they fucking care

BradAllison

(1,879 posts)
49. The usual group of frauds.
Thu May 26, 2022, 11:29 PM
May 2022

Tumour, Portajohn, Concerned Susie, Manshit, Drunk Cheer Mom, and Jerkowski will cook up a lukewarm bill that won't do shit, but they'll all pat each others asses while pushing it and then blame "far left libs" and Biden for it doing nothing.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
53. McConnell is all about getting and keeping power.
Fri May 27, 2022, 01:50 PM
May 2022

It is his singular focus. The fact that he authorized Cornyn to negotiate with Dems tells me McConnell no longer sees gun control as a slam dunk winning issue for Rs. Sometimes it takes a lot of straw to break the camel's back, but this lastest mass shooting might just be the one that does it. Not because more kids were killed (Rs are ok with that), but because it completely exploded the GOP's mantra of a "good guy with a gun" stopping these killings and therefore more guns please. There were plenty of "good guys with guns" (cops, off-duty border guards) who knew how to use them and they did not cover themselves in glory. And, as they say "the tape don't lie".

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
57. Difference between Democratic and Republican gun violence bills
Fri May 27, 2022, 09:01 PM
May 2022

Democratic bill: background checks, red flag laws, gun violence made a federal crime, restricting magazine capacity.

Republican bill: require all gun stores to be open around the clock. Require every store to sell ammunition including supermarkets, toy stores, car dealers, lumberyards, cosmetics counters, shoe stores and of course mortuaries. Require everyone to own and carry a gun. Shut down all marijuana stores on the grounds that anyone who smokes weed can't own a gun and guns are more important than getting high. Add 500 hours range time to the elementary school curriculum nationwide. Require all business to have at least 10 armed individuals in publicly-accessible areas at all times.

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