Uvalde Shooter Fired Outside School for 12 Minutes Before Entering

[pnwmom]

Source: WSJ

UVALDE, Texas—Local residents voiced anger Thursday about the time it took to end the mass shooting at an elementary school here, as police laid out a fresh timeline that showed the gunman entered the building unobstructed after lingering outside for 12 minutes firing shots.

Victor Escalon, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, gave a new timeline of how the now-deceased gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, walked into Robb Elementary School, barricaded himself in a classroom and killed 19 children and two teachers.

Mr. Escalon said he couldn’t say why no one stopped Ramos from entering the school during that time Tuesday. Most of the shots Ramos fired came during the first several minutes after he entered the school, Mr. Escalon said.

People who arrived at the school while Ramos locked himself in a classroom, or saw videos of police waiting outside, were furious.

Read more: https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161?mod=djemwhatsnews

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This disturbed teen was practically BEGGING someone to stop him -- for 12 minutes -- before he went inside.

[They_Live]

1. and then he went into the school

through an unlocked door?!

[Lasher]

15. I saw on TV today that a teacher had propped that door open.

It was on surveillance video.

ETA:

McCraw also provided more information about how the shooter was able to gain access to the building: A teacher left the school to get her cell phone when she heard the nearby car crash and shots, but then as she re-entered, she propped the door open. The gunman had been hiding behind a car nearby, he said.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/27/1101754167/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-police-mistakes

[atreides1]

2. I looked at the map of Uvalde

There is no way that it should have taken cops 12 minutes to reach the school...

It's a two minute drive from the police station to the school...two fucking minutes!

[pnwmom]

5. It looks like it really took them 14 minutes after the 911 call.

"Ramos shot his grandmother Tuesday morning and drove her truck to Robb Elementary School, crashing the vehicle into a nearby ditch at 11:28 a.m., according to the timeline laid out by Mr. Escalon. He then began shooting at people at a funeral home across the street, prompting a 911 call reporting a gunman at the school at 11:30. Ramos climbed a chain-link fence about 8 feet high onto school grounds and began firing before walking inside, unimpeded, at 11:40. The first police arrived on the scene at 11:44 and exchanged gunfire with Ramos, who locked himself in a fourth-grade classroom. There, he killed the students and teachers.

[BigmanPigman]

6. Don't forget that the cops were already aware of him shooting his grandmom

since she had a neighbor call 911 right after he left with the truck. And that house was close to the school. The police should have contacted the school since there was an active shooter in the near vicinity. There was a ton of time to contact the school, lock doors, etc. They really blew it.

[dalton99a]

14. +1

(Scale is 1000 ft)


(Scale is 500 ft)

[MySideOfTown]

4. So shot his granny, then went and wrecked her pickup

fired shots at people outside funeral home that rushed to help him
remained outside shooting for 12 minutes while school policeman hid?
Got into school through door that was supposed to be locked.
Shot up a fourth grade classroom while local, county, state police, ATF, and Federal Marshals did crowd control out side, tazing, hand cuffing women an parents for an hour. Fucking Cowards.
Didn't realize there was a classroom connecting where kids were hidden from death classroom.
Entered the adjacent class room asking if anyone was there, and when a little girl yelled "hell yes", the perp shot her. Where upon the Border Patrol Swat team rushed in an shot the perp?

Yeah we need teachers armed to the teeth to handle the shit. The cops just make things worse and they are too afraid to tackle a guy with an ar 15. Then they can blame the teachers for their sorry, cowardly performance.

Have I got this right or is there more excuses to come from the sorry, cowardly cops?

[bobGandolf]

8. Unfortunately, you do have it right.

I am disgusted with the police. Time, and again they show their cowardly colors by waiting until it is safe to make a "rescue". They do a great job of crowd control and arresting mothers who want to go rescue their kids.
They sure run to the front of a crowd to get accolades for rescuing a cat from a tree or any other non-threatening task. Don't hold your breath waiting for them to rescue schoolchildren from a gunman.

[TexasBushwhacker]

27. I believe a teacher propped the door open so the police could get in

Unfortunately, the shooter got in first.

[no_hypocrisy]

7. I don't understand how the principal, etc. didn't immediately run around to lock

or check on locked doors of the school 12 minutes before the gunman entered. You hear something, you do something. Gun shots were heard. You don't go back to your papers. You know it may not be a drill. There had to be a limited amount of doors to the school, a dozen perhaps. Start a drill when you heard the gun shots with the teachers locking their classroom doors, pulling down the shades, the kids huddled in the back. Called the Police. BEFORE THE GUNMAN ENTERED THE SCHOOL. It could have been done.

[bobGandolf]

9. I hear you.

It is not like we have not witnessed their cowardly behavior before.

[IronLionZion]

10. Then death by cop folks should go to the police station

instead of an elementary school. But really they should just shoot themselves at home first instead of shooting anyone else.

[melm00se]

11. Both schools I taught at

had fully secured exterior doors that locked upon closing (we had to stand outdoors to keep them open and then let them close at the 1st bell.

[hamsterjill]

12. Thank you!!!

Every office building I’ve ever worked at had these types of doors unless it was a monitored public entrance. Would not all schools have these types of doors just because of basic, common sense?

There is something NOT right about that door being unlocked. In the video of the shooter, he walks right up to the door like he KNOWS it is not locked.

[pnwmom]

19. The door had been propped open, so he could probably see that.

[hamsterjill]

20. I'm sure you are right.

What a clusterfuck. My soul is just sick.

[pnwmom]

18. This door had been propped open. You could do that even with a door that automatically locked. nt

[Rebl2]

13. I don't understand

how someone in the school didn’t hear him firing shots outside for 12 minutes, and if they did, why didn’t someone check to make sure all doors were locked. I can hear gunfire close by my house occasionally and I always keep my doors locked. The only time a door is unlocked is when I am on my deck.

[BigDemVoter]

16. And given this fact, doesn't this just destroy the idea that having an armed guard would help?

Didn't they have one, or not? I thought I read somewhere that they did.

[pnwmom]

17. You did read that before -- but they've updated the story and now say the armed guard wasn't present

By the time he arrived the shooter was already in the classroom.

[Bengus81]

21. 6380 feet from the Uvalde Police station to the school.........

That's the driving distance. Could have been over there in a MINUTE with red lights and siren.

[PSPS]

22. "police laid out a fresh timeline." So, the cracker cops are doing daily do-overs on these timelines

[Stuart G]

23. Most Important Information of Day, Week, & so on. The cops had enough time to take the shooter down

And the police did.........ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!!!! NOTHING TO STOP THE SHOOTER...NOTHING AT ALL

[whistler162]

24. I am taking ALL this reporting with a large

grain of salt!

[LisaL]

25. Both police and school employees have active shooter drills.

In this case clearly lessons were not learned.
Why was the school door propped open instead of being locked? And of course police were not following the active shooter scenario where they are supposed to confront the shooter as soon as possible.

[machoneman]

26. Guys, you're all missing this point: White cops refused to save Latino kids!

Hey, they knew the majority of them if not all of them weren't white. Why get killed trying to save non-white kids?

Figured this out while sadly reading the names of those poor kids. Do you think for a minute that if even one of those 18-19 cops had a kid in that school that the officer would not have charged in?

That's my take and I'm sticking to it.

[TexasBushwhacker]

28. Most of the cops and the police chief are Latino

[Jedi Guy]

30. Hm.

Figured this out while sadly reading the names of those poor kids.

Evidently it escaped your notice that most of the cops were, in fact, Hispanic rather than white. Oops. This particular hot take has been bandied about quite a lot in the week since the shooting, despite being proven wrong repeatedly.

That's my take and I'm sticking to it.

According to the timeline I've seen, they did attempt to make entry, as per the snips from the timeline below.

11:33 am - Shooter enters the school.
11:35 am - Three officers enter via the same door, are shot at and lightly wounded, and retreat. Later (it's not specified exactly when "later" is), four more officers, including a UCSO deputy, enter the school.
11:44 am - Officers inside the school take fire, retreat, and take cover.

Regarding the 11:44 am timestamp, a DPS official said:

“Initial officers are there and receive gunfire, therefore do not make entry. Officers call everyone in the area for additional resources: tactical teams, equipment, specialty equipment, body armor, precision rifleman [and] negotiators. They’re evacuating students and teachers during this time,”

The timeline says they entered the school, but the DPS official said they did not make entry, so I interpret that to mean they got in the door Ramos went through, immediately came under fire, and backed out to either side of the door, then tried again a few minutes later. On not being able to get in a second time, they put out the call for the specialized units, including the Border Patrol tactical team that eventually killed Ramos.

[ck4829]

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