Holdout juror claims 'witch hunt,' blasts N.Y. liberals in trial of Steve Bannon associate for 'We
Source: New York Daily News
The trial of a Steve Bannon associate accused of stealing donations from a fund to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border has been thrown into chaos by a juror claiming the case is a government witch hunt and that his fellow jurors are biased New York liberals.
Colorado businessman Timothy Shea is on trial in Manhattan Federal Court for his alleged role siphoning money from the We Build the Wall charity, which collected cash from supporters of President Donald Trumps signature policy to combat illegal immigration. The money was supposed to go to a privately funded section of border wall, but prosecutors allege Bannon, Shea and others raided the charity.
Since deliberations began Tuesday, notes from the jury have indicated Juror No. 4 is questioning why the case is charged in the Southern District of New York.
The juror believes government tried (Shea) in SDNY because they knew people here vote differently, should have been tried in a southern state, read one note sent to Judge Analisa Torres late Thursday.
Read more: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/ny-timothy-shea-holdout-juror-steve-bannon-we-build-the-wall-20220603-bbzkvmv2mrgi3diixwhqnrrmdm-story.html
Complete headline: Holdout juror claims witch hunt, blasts N.Y. liberals in trial of Steve Bannon associate for We Build the Wall scam
William769
(55,148 posts)SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Kinda hard to catch that, but maybe a good trial attorney or jury consultant could have determined he was lying that he was unbiased.
Nonetheless, as pointed out by others, he has clearly established his bias now. Time to kick him off and put in any alternate juror who might be available.
elleng
(131,143 posts)Bannon, after all.
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dchill
(38,546 posts)...a long haul trucker, I'll be able to pretend I'm cool!
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pecosbob
(7,544 posts)U.S. experienced a nationwide addiction after WWII that started with the government giving benzedrine tablets to soldiers during the war.
duhneece
(4,118 posts)to lose weight in the late 50s.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)2x4 at one of the many construction sites downtown and an alternate had to take his place.
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Just handle it!!!
Samrob
(4,298 posts)I know that the judge can't punish that juror, but the judge should give that juror a piece of his mind for wasting everyone's time and taxpayer money. The juror should also be automatically disqualified from being called for jury duty in the future.
The Grand Illuminist
(1,336 posts)He probably hates jury duty.
Eugene
(61,963 posts)The defense asked for a mistrial. They are still deliberating.
madaboutharry
(40,224 posts)groundloop
(11,523 posts)If so that juror should be charge to the full extent of the law.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)The judge should declare a mistrial as this juror is refusing the weight the merits of the case.
TexasTowelie
(112,455 posts)BTW, my college mascots were the pirates, so don't feel so alone. I'm also missing a leg like a pirate.
Lasher
(27,640 posts)Thanks to him or her, they clearly lied themselves onto this jury. They could have inflicted more damage by being more subtle.
stopdiggin
(11,376 posts)at least in broad and general strokes? In a country as polarized, divided, and prone to misinformation as ours - I'm suggesting that a lot of jury pools are going to have one (if not more) of the 'kool-aid crowd.'
And some of the things that we perceive as 'slam dunks' - - ain't gonna' be.
moniss
(4,274 posts)RussBLib
(9,037 posts)I guess? He denounces a biased jury by wanting to try the case where people are biased HIS way. D'oh!
Indykatie
(3,697 posts)ShazzieB
(16,539 posts)Members of a jury are called jurors. MAGA jurors are definitely a problem!
not fooled
(5,801 posts)want to be scammed by red don and his ilk.
dchill
(38,546 posts)SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Especially the part where they ask you about bias. That's a no-no.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)I wasn't aware pools were now sworn in during voir dire.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Everything they say during voir dire is under penalty of perjury. But I've never heard of a juror getting hit with a perjury charge. I figure it's because judges don't have time for that shit, and it's hard enough to get people to be jurors as it is, so they don't want to scare people away by hitting jurors with perjury charges.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)without bias. If we've learned anything from this national trauma, it should be that large numbers of (most?) of us believe many significant things that simply are not true. Some particularly about themselves due to being partially or entirely without capacity for self awareness.
This is also professionally studied and proven many times over.
The sincerity of many is so appalling because it's real.
Cheezoholic
(2,035 posts)and the movie wasn't bad either
KelleyKramer
(8,983 posts)Am I missing something?
The juror is a Trump supporter and he refuses to convict someone of stealing from Trump supporters?
WTF
BComplex
(8,067 posts)temperatures for hours with no busses after a rally...these people love it when the trump team beats 'em up. The more beaten up they get, the more they're sure they're suffering for the cause. These people are really really sick.
ashredux
(2,609 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,311 posts)He is overstepping his boundaries and failing to perform his duties as a juror. He deserves to be fired.
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)As much as I think Banonn (and his associates) are scum, nothing in the article indicates a specific bias which would be grounds for removing him. Nothing indicates perjury during voir dire. For better or worse, that is the american jury system.
Movies have been written about rogue jurors. Innocent men and women have been saved from conviction by rogue jurors. Guilty men and women have been set free by rogue jurors.
It's an imperfect system. But it is better than the alternative.
llashram
(6,265 posts)New York liberals...that's a specific bias to me...and I'm sure there are some liberals on that jury. Always are on most juries. Rittenhouse jury aside.
hueymahl
(2,510 posts)Removing a juror is an extraordinary remedy.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Regarding the type of case and charges.
They cant exactly say, this guy is a trumper, will you vote to convict him in their jury questionnaire. They actually have to prove their case to all jurors.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)paleotn
(17,989 posts)rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Sat on a jury? I'm guessing no because if you had, you'd already know the answer to that question. People seem to have this notion that the jury process is done with meticulous procedure, care and process. It's not.
Duncan Grant
(8,295 posts)If one tells the truth, a prick like juror #4 never makes it to the jury. Based on my experience, juror #4 deceived the court on purpose.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)They can't ask him if he's a republican, or if he supported President Trump. They certainly can't exclude him based on political beliefs. A judge would squash that line of questioning so quick a lawyers head would spin.
They can only ask open ended questions. Stuff like "Would you have an open mind if XYZ."
Duncan Grant
(8,295 posts)If Im a prosecutor, Im going to use every tool at my disposal to out a deceptive candidate for juror even their body language and demographics. Its my job, right? Anyway, my intent is to say juror #4 got themselves on the jury dishonestly. Thats an opinion, I cant prove it. Seems extremely likely though
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)It's what let Elizabeth Hokoana walk after shooting an unarmed medic named Josh Dukes point blank in the stomach on the UW Campus on inauguration day 2017. Her POS husband had been pepper spraying Liberal protestors and Dukes grabbed his arm. She shot him in "self-defense".
1 juror refused to convict.
msfiddlestix
(7,286 posts)How does this get resolved? Has it been resolved yet?
Princess Turandot
(4,787 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,286 posts)Steve Bannon is free to press on. .
ain't that special?