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BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:01 PM Jul 2022

Oil tumbles more than 9%, breaks below $100 as recession fears mount

Source: CNBC

Oil prices tumbled Tuesday with the U.S. benchmark falling below $100 as recession fears grow, sparking fears that an economic slowdown will cut demand for petroleum products. West Texas Intermediate crude, the U.S. oil benchmark, slid 9%, or $9.83, to trade at $98.60 per barrel. The contract last traded under $100 on May 11.

International benchmark Brent crude shed 9.9%, or $11.46, to trade at $102.04 per barrel Tuesday. Ritterbusch and Associates attributed the move to “tightness in global oil balances increasingly being countered by strong likelihood of recession that has begun to curtail oil demand.”

″[T]he oil market appears to be homing in on some recent weakening in apparent demand for gasoline and diesel,” the firm wrote in a note to clients. Both contracts posted losses in June, snapping six straight months of gains as recession fears cause Wall Street to reconsider the demand outlook.

Citi said Tuesday that Brent could fall to $65 by the end of this year should the economy tip into a recession. “In a recession scenario with rising unemployment, household and corporate bankruptcies, commodities would chase a falling cost curve as costs deflate and margins turn negative to drive supply curtailments,” the firm wrote in a note to clients.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/05/oil-tumbles-more-than-8percent-breaks-below-100-as-recession-fears-mount.html



Back to "The Narrative®" but let's hope the trend to normalize oil prices out of gouging territory, continues.
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Oil tumbles more than 9%, breaks below $100 as recession fears mount (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 OP
Let's see how fast gas prices fall durablend Jul 2022 #1
Related, and this is good news, IMO. LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #3
$22.00 less per barrel since 6/8. Price at the pump has barely dropped here Bengus81 Jul 2022 #34
Still paid 6.10 yesterday. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #2
I paid $4.89 at a station about 1/2 a mile from me last week BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #5
Saw a couple gas stations at $4.89 Deminpenn Jul 2022 #12
The further out from the city and rim counties, the price often drops about 5 - 10 cents BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #17
I only drive to and from work which is about 5 miles round trip. I don't have to fill up often but onecaliberal Jul 2022 #13
The gasoline prices are always quick to go up BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #18
They definitely shoot up here but never come back down. That's the thing. It never comes back down onecaliberal Jul 2022 #20
Your state is weird BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #24
We have a high gas tax and pay for special blends in the summer. Never more than 4 bucks. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #28
Here in PA we also have to do "summer blend" BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #31
Paid $4.25 but I have refineries all around where I live. Dustlawyer Jul 2022 #32
Okay when can we expect lower gas prices? FloridaBlues Jul 2022 #4
We're starting to see it in Indiana. bearsfootball516 Jul 2022 #7
Same in ECI.... Happy Hoosier Jul 2022 #22
November 9th if it goes their way durablend Jul 2022 #8
They will not allow that to happen. They don't even pretend anymore. onecaliberal Jul 2022 #15
I think it's averaging around the $4.40/gallon mark in TX Torchlight Jul 2022 #6
GOOOOOOD greenjar_01 Jul 2022 #9
In Northern California, South Bay, it was running around 6.25. Yesterday I saw it at 6.00 JohnSJ Jul 2022 #10
Ironically the oil companies charging high prices may cause the recession, so their greed Quixote1818 Jul 2022 #11
Their greed eventually breaks everything they touch ToxMarz Jul 2022 #14
Jmho, but gas demand is down because the oil companies Deminpenn Jul 2022 #16
"oil companies and gas stations raise prices from Memorial Day through the 4th of July" BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #23
Sam's Club Jacksonville NC gas price today down to $4.079, $3.875 with Sam's Club M/C. Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #19
Wait, now oil prices falling is a bad thing? mcar Jul 2022 #21
Headlines become Like pretzels. Nt lostnfound Jul 2022 #25
It's amazing ain't it? BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #27
And they just jump to the next "Disaster for Dems" mcar Jul 2022 #30
Exactly! BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #33
Probably due to the fact that a lot people are buying electric cars or hybrids. Crowman2009 Jul 2022 #26
I just paid 4.69 it dropped 10 cents here in Mid-hudson Historic NY Jul 2022 #29
I guess putin is gonna get upset over this. russia is a one trick pony oil economy. Price goes down mitch96 Jul 2022 #35
I usually go to the Costco gas station on the weekdays between 8-10 AM... Crowman2009 Jul 2022 #36
Companies are allowing more people to work from home. Yavin4 Jul 2022 #37
I think they were trying to "price in" some great infllux of "back to the office" BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #38
Price of oil goes up.... terrible for the economy rpannier Jul 2022 #39
Sheetz lowered 88 Octane E-15 to $3.99 last week k8conant Jul 2022 #40
John Fetterman had tweeted about them doing that for the July 4th weekend BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #41
Lol! The headline is peak MSM! yardwork Jul 2022 #42
Yup. BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #43
I love your trademark TheNarrative. yardwork Jul 2022 #44
It's interesting BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #45
Yeah because outlets like CNN trip all over themselves to prove to the Trump humpers Bengus81 Jul 2022 #46
Kick ck4829 Jul 2022 #47

LudwigPastorius

(9,145 posts)
3. Related, and this is good news, IMO.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:11 PM
Jul 2022
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/us-gas-prices-2020-pandemic-crude-oil-fuel-pump-russia-2022-7

US gas prices have skyrocketed in 2022, but markets have eased over the last few weeks even amid the summer driving season and the ongoing war in Ukraine.

...prices at the pump have decreased for 21 consecutive days, according to AAA data — that's good for their longest losing streak since April 2020, in the early part of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Demand has been falling as well. Consumption for the fuel hit its lowest point for this time of year since 2014, excluding 2020, EIA data shows, suggesting that the tight US gas market has at least temporarily cooled off.

The recent market trends bode well for President Joe Biden as he faces limited policy options on lowering fuel costs. His recent proposal to suspend the federal gas tax was quickly dismissed.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
34. $22.00 less per barrel since 6/8. Price at the pump has barely dropped here
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:58 PM
Jul 2022

Down about six cents. Total RIP-OFF just like what Biden was talking about.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
5. I paid $4.89 at a station about 1/2 a mile from me last week
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jul 2022

and that was down about 10 cents from earlier (although since I don't drive the car that much anymore since retiring, the last I paid for gas was when it was $4.39 a couple months ago). Meanwhile there are a couple other stations about a mile from here charging $5.09 but then they always ran high.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
12. Saw a couple gas stations at $4.89
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:39 PM
Jul 2022

a few miles down the road. Locally, gas went down a nickel to $4.95, but I've seen the prices for "member pay" at $4.69.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
17. The further out from the city and rim counties, the price often drops about 5 - 10 cents
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:53 PM
Jul 2022

Of course here in the city, we have an extra 2% sales tax on top of the state's 6%, so that's 8% if I buy in the city (which is why I usually head right across the county line ).

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
13. I only drive to and from work which is about 5 miles round trip. I don't have to fill up often but
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:39 PM
Jul 2022

the last time before yesterday, it was very close to 6 dollars. Even when a barrel of oil plummets, we might see 5 cent decrease. We're now almost 1.50 a gallon here more than any other state.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
18. The gasoline prices are always quick to go up
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jul 2022

and slllllloooooowwwwww to drop. But those individual and franchise station owners are going to start feeling the pressure.

I have already read about some of the stations associated with convenience stores that were starting to advertise "promotional/"holiday" special pricing where they have dropped the price upwards of $1/gal for a certain period.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
24. Your state is weird
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:30 PM
Jul 2022

in that that the very first thing that I saw after landing at LAX and was on my way to my hotel, was that all along the highways were of oil pumps. It was no different from when I landed in Houston and was on the road to Galveston.

I'm like WTF????

(didn't see that up north coming into SFO though)

I just didn't know... because they are rarely if ever "shown" on TV or in films that take place in California. I suppose the problem is a lack of refineries there.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
28. We have a high gas tax and pay for special blends in the summer. Never more than 4 bucks.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:02 PM
Jul 2022

Last time oil was this price we were 2 bucks a gallon less even in the summer.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
31. Here in PA we also have to do "summer blend"
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:28 PM
Jul 2022

and (at least up until the past year) had the highest state gasoline tax in the country since 2017, going from the then-highest at 50 cents/gal in 2016 to the current 58 cents gal until recently when CA & IL finally surpassed us. Still, with the federal tax, the past 5 years, it has been just over 76 cents/gal.

And in Jersey, which until a couple years ago, was way cheaper, they seemed to actually price the bridge tolls so that you wouldn't save any money going across the bridge to buy gas there (unless you regularly commuted to Jersey to work, so it made since to buy it there anyway).

One difference is that we also had the largest cluster of oil refineries on the east coast at one time, so that could reduce some costs but much of that has dwindled down, with the last big one (PES) shutting down after a large explosion and fire back in 2019, and that was the end of that. There are still a few smaller ones down in South Philly but it's not like the past. You get off the plane at PHL and head over any of the nearby bridges and/or drive along I-291, you had to roll up your windows!





They are repurposing the site into a business park type thing.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
32. Paid $4.25 but I have refineries all around where I live.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:34 PM
Jul 2022

The transportation costs are a lot lower since the trucks that bring it from the refinery drive directly to the station.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
7. We're starting to see it in Indiana.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:18 PM
Jul 2022

Gas at the station I usually fill up at was 4.75 this morning. Was around 5.20 a couple weeks ago.

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
22. Same in ECI....
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:20 PM
Jul 2022

Hopefully the trend continues. Have to make the 600 mile trek to the in-laws in a few weeks.

Torchlight

(3,339 posts)
6. I think it's averaging around the $4.40/gallon mark in TX
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:16 PM
Jul 2022

A drop of about 55¢ in the last week. On our way home last night, we lucked out and found a neighborhood gas station in far east Dallas co. selling it at $4.10.

Quixote1818

(28,936 posts)
11. Ironically the oil companies charging high prices may cause the recession, so their greed
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:36 PM
Jul 2022

will end up costing them and everyone in the end if a recession hits and people stop buying gas. Idiots.

ToxMarz

(2,167 posts)
14. Their greed eventually breaks everything they touch
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:39 PM
Jul 2022

They just can't help themselves. But it's inevitable since the system is rigged that they make money going up AND going down, it's in the extremes they can really steal. They like boom and bust, slow and steady is for turtles.

Deminpenn

(15,286 posts)
16. Jmho, but gas demand is down because the oil companies
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 01:43 PM
Jul 2022

found the price point where the normally pretty inelastic demand for gas become elastic. That is the price where people start using and buying less gas instead of just buying gas regardless of price.

Also, my observation over the years has been that oil companies and gas stations raise prices from Memorial Day through the 4th of July when people are most apt to travel by car, the prices start to drop.

I don't think there will be a recession. There are still plenty of businesses looking to hire and with the rise in wages, there is money to be spent.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
23. "oil companies and gas stations raise prices from Memorial Day through the 4th of July"
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:23 PM
Jul 2022

Exactly - they raise the prices ahead of those holidays and then slack off the rest of the summer when the travel has waned. You see the pattern every year along with the usual increase that goes along with switching to the "summer blend" of gasoline which costs more (and which is different from that E85 flex fuel product that has been bandied about but temporarily permitted to be used this summer per the Biden administration).

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
27. It's amazing ain't it?
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:38 PM
Jul 2022

That's why I call it "The Narrative®". Low unemployment, factory orders up, oil prices finally dropping, baby formula situation being taken care of (including a new planeload coming into Philly today), and that = "bad".

(i.e., it's "bad" for those driving "The Narrative®", who keep getting thrown off their "game" ).

mcar

(42,333 posts)
30. And they just jump to the next "Disaster for Dems"
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:22 PM
Jul 2022

narrative. Because their default position is Democrats are weak, spineless, failures, inept, and losers.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
33. Exactly!
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 03:51 PM
Jul 2022

Just this afternoon I heard another interesting news item (which I'm about to post about in LBN) - For the first time in 20 years, the Euro has dropped in value below the dollar. The dollar has rarely been at parity or had more value than the Euro. Yet here we are!

BAD NEWS!!1!!!11!11!!

Crowman2009

(2,497 posts)
26. Probably due to the fact that a lot people are buying electric cars or hybrids.
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 02:36 PM
Jul 2022

And besides helping the environment, reducing our dependence on oil, and having less money to spend on gas. People don't want to go to the f***in' gas station every week.

Now all we need to put the nail in the coffin for these oil companies would be a national public transport infrastructure, and zoning laws that will give people the option of not having to go on these freakin' long commutes everyday for work or getting groceries.

mitch96

(13,904 posts)
35. I guess putin is gonna get upset over this. russia is a one trick pony oil economy. Price goes down
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 05:25 PM
Jul 2022

income goes down. He is already selling oil to India and China at a discount so this is gonna hurt.....GOOD!
Best price in west central Florida I saw was $4.17/gal at Walmart gas station.
I use gasbuddy to find the least expensive fuel.
When you are talking about gas price, don't forget about the refineries. They gouge too. It seems they also shut down for "maintenance" in the peak summer driving season.
They all suck.
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Crowman2009

(2,497 posts)
36. I usually go to the Costco gas station on the weekdays between 8-10 AM...
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 07:09 PM
Jul 2022

...when the work crowd is away. No long lines during that time.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
38. I think they were trying to "price in" some great infllux of "back to the office"
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 08:41 PM
Jul 2022

and that didn't really happen to the degree that they assumed. They have been seeing some pent up vacation-goers after 2 years of "staycations" but after that, it'll be back to a slow season.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
39. Price of oil goes up.... terrible for the economy
Tue Jul 5, 2022, 10:51 PM
Jul 2022

goes down... terrible for the economy
It's why I ignore 99% of all economists

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
41. John Fetterman had tweeted about them doing that for the July 4th weekend
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 05:28 AM
Jul 2022

and then dared Wawa to do it.




John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
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Follow
Your move, Wawa.
WPXI
@WPXI
MAJOR GAS DISCOUNT: Sheetz will be looking to lower some pain at the pump by lowering their gas prices. >> http://wpxi.tv/3NkTPlH
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3:39 PM · Jun 27, 2022


There are no Sheetz here in the Philly area (I think the closest is like 50 miles away).

yardwork

(61,620 posts)
42. Lol! The headline is peak MSM!
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 06:10 AM
Jul 2022

One would think it's a good thing that oil prices are falling, but we can't have good news with a Democratic president, can we?

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
43. Yup.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 06:59 AM
Jul 2022

"The Narrative®" is supreme and must be preserved at all cost.

Factory orders up, unemployment still at record lows, dollar strong against the faltering Euro, oil prices coming down (which they should have been some time ago not only because the 2 largest countries by population are buying oil from Russia meaning that their oil is NOT suddenly "removed from the supply", but also given the U.S. is STILL adding 1 million bbls/day out of the Strategic oil reserves... The gasoline issue might correctly be impacted by the lack of operational refineries but that should not be impacting the pumping, amount, or price of crude.

yardwork

(61,620 posts)
44. I love your trademark TheNarrative.
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 07:14 AM
Jul 2022

But I feel so discouraged. It's now completely obvious that no Democratic president will be supported by any news outlets.

BumRushDaShow

(129,019 posts)
45. It's interesting
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 08:09 AM
Jul 2022

but last night and early this morning, I heard some exasperated reporting sprinkled with mea culpas about people still "buying" and "traveling" despite the higher cost.

I think what is being missed is that as much as was reported the past couple years about people's "staycations" and with the multiple stimulus payments that were issued, you actually had people making good use of their money by paying off their credit cards as best they could, buying much needed household goods when available (and even stocking pantries), and actually "saving" (and that was even considered "bad" while it was happening ). So you have people with a "reserve" able to absorb some of those higher prices - at least for the short term - and the trick is to now get the price gouging and price-fixing out of the equation before Americans snap their wallets shut.

I even saw a post on DU about Krugman's latest analysis. He's basically saying that you have this self-fulfilling prophesy thing going on with the pounding and pounding about "inflation". Granted, the Fed's years of providing "liquidity" and near 0 interest rates did provide an environment for a not so good flip side to that. But with wages finally going up so that employers can even get employees, that is pulling some of the excess "profits" out of the cash-hoarding businesses, and the benefit is that this can actually produce what supposedly drives much of the GDP - consumer spending. The supply chain issue - at least from China - is always a variable given their "zero COVID" policy and they had recently lifted retrictions last week before re-implementing more just yesterday.

In any case, something's gotta give.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
46. Yeah because outlets like CNN trip all over themselves to prove to the Trump humpers
Wed Jul 6, 2022, 08:39 AM
Jul 2022

That they're "fair and balanced". Yes,we trash talked Trump when he wanted to take health care away from 25 million people so we have to do the same to Biden no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

It's all about CASH flowing into the CNN coffers and little else..............

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