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BumRushDaShow

(129,091 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 09:54 AM Jul 2022

Wisconsin Supreme Court rules absentee ballot drop boxes are illegal

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

MADISON - Voters casting absentee ballots this fall for the highest state offices won't be able to return their ballots in upcoming elections by using drop boxes following a ruling Friday by the Wisconsin Supreme Court's conservative majority. The 4-3 ruling is a win for Republicans who oppose the longstanding use of ballot drop boxes after the coronavirus pandemic pushed election officials to promote their use to limit contact, concerns that were buoyed by false claims of voter fraud from former President Donald Trump after he lost re-election in 2020.

The state's highest court also upheld a Waukesha County court's ruling that required absentee ballots to be delivered by mail or returned personally. The ruling did not determine whether voters can have a family member or friend drop their ballots in the mail — a restriction some Wisconsin voters with significant physical disabilities feared would prevent them from casting ballots in future elections.

Poll workers typically visit nursing homes to assist residents vote. Clerks allow curbside voting for people who can’t get out of their cars. In some cases, postal workers will pick up and deliver mail to someone's door instead of a mailbox at the end of a driveway if the recipient has a medical condition. Those policies help some voters but not everyone.

The underlying dispute over voting policies began last year, when the conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty filed the lawsuit on behalf of two suburban Milwaukee men. Waukesha County Circuit Judge Michael Bohren ruled in their favor in January and ordered the state elections commission to revoke advice it issued in 2020. He determined that state law didn’t allow the use of unstaffed ballot drop boxes and didn’t allow voters to give their completed absentee ballots to someone else to return for them.

Read more: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/07/08/wisconsin-supreme-court-rules-absentee-ballot-dropboxes-illegal/7829047001/

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Wisconsin Supreme Court rules absentee ballot drop boxes are illegal (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 OP
It is a garbage decision, but not insurmountable. Just vote Democratic early as you can JohnSJ Jul 2022 #1
The minute you get your absentee ballot, jimfields33 Jul 2022 #4
What if you get it, deliberately, two days before the election? Lonestarblue Jul 2022 #13
Geez can we still use the US post office? milestogo Jul 2022 #2
Only with... SergeStorms Jul 2022 #22
Ridiculous moose65 Jul 2022 #3
Why have people drive to a place when if early enough you can mail it? jimfields33 Jul 2022 #5
You are talking about the post office system still being run by dejoy, yes? niyad Jul 2022 #12
Duh - Informed Delivery said on July 2 that my package would be delivered on July 5 Backseat Driver Jul 2022 #15
Who said they're driving? moose65 Jul 2022 #16
Being a white, racist, douche is enough for the WI Supreme Court. TheRealNorth Jul 2022 #14
I completely agree with you. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2022 #31
Also BS because WiSC decided if it's not specifically mentioned, it's illegal. sybylla Jul 2022 #40
Thank goodness our Michigan Supreme Court is 4-3 the other way, or we could be in the same situation marmar Jul 2022 #6
Agreed. llmart Jul 2022 #32
The last time the SC limited WI voters during the pandemic it fired up the Democrats so much we 33taw Jul 2022 #7
This dumb ruling is likely to hurt Republicans more than Dems. keopeli Jul 2022 #8
You are right! moose65 Jul 2022 #18
This would make sense and I have posted about that before BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #21
Well that sucks !!! vlyons Jul 2022 #9
"Institute for Law & Liberty" What a load of shit. NBachers Jul 2022 #10
GOTV Marthe48 Jul 2022 #11
Drop boxes are a regular feature in WA State maxsolomon Jul 2022 #17
This will impact republican voters, too. CrispyQ Jul 2022 #19
I fucking hate republicans Novara Jul 2022 #20
Wisconsin will be renamed.... SergeStorms Jul 2022 #23
Its Wississippi TheRealNorth Jul 2022 #25
That'll work. SergeStorms Jul 2022 #44
Fuck the GOP, trying to make the U.S. into another Hungary. minstrel76 Jul 2022 #24
Looks like I'm voting in person. Wisconsin sucks! sarcasmo Jul 2022 #26
I am sure mail in ballots are in their sights purr-rat beauty Jul 2022 #27
Welcome to DU ! KS Toronado Jul 2022 #35
Just one more reason to vote for Democrats. MadMike47 Jul 2022 #28
How can one state Supreme Court 3825-87867 Jul 2022 #29
Unfortunately the laws are written differently in each state, just how the Repukes want it FakeNoose Jul 2022 #42
Republicans hate democracy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2022 #30
Seems like a clear violation of ADA and 14th amendment protections JT45242 Jul 2022 #33
If the law actually doesnt allow for it, then thats that. They would HAVE to rule that way. oldsoftie Jul 2022 #34
What happens with laws and regulations BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #38
If "unstaffed ballot drop boxes" are now illegal KS Toronado Jul 2022 #36
mail them in and vote those fuckers OUT! orleans Jul 2022 #37
Geebus. There is NO evidence of fraud related to drop boxes. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #39
We didn't have any voter fraud here in PA either, ssociated with drop boxes BumRushDaShow Jul 2022 #41
Yup, Republicans are always projecting. SunSeeker Jul 2022 #43

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
13. What if you get it, deliberately, two days before the election?
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:39 AM
Jul 2022

Late mailings of ballots in Texas for the primaries meant that people either had to vote in person or not vote. Republican elections officials know which zip codes are where more Democrats live and can delay mailing ballots. Now that DeJoy has destroyed the reliability of the US Postal Service, and is still on the job, mailing a ballot two days before an election does not guarantee delivery and the post office no longer automatically stamps the date on mail so it may not be counted.

We need real laws to protect access. The Wisconsin Supreme Court is ridiculous.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
22. Only with...
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 11:14 AM
Jul 2022

written permission from Mike DeJoy. His office will be closed until after the mid-term elections take place though.

moose65

(3,167 posts)
3. Ridiculous
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:11 AM
Jul 2022

What possible standing could "two suburban Milwaukee men" have had in this case? How did having drop boxes "hurt" them??

And it is ridiculous to think it could be illegal for someone else to place your ballot in the mail. How in the world would any entity ever police that?

Of course, it's all a smokescreen to make voting as hard as possible.

jimfields33

(15,823 posts)
5. Why have people drive to a place when if early enough you can mail it?
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:16 AM
Jul 2022

Save the environment as well. I’m sure some will say environment? 50,000 voters driving to drop off ballots adds up. Mailing early enough works well. Just don’t wait til the deadline.

Backseat Driver

(4,393 posts)
15. Duh - Informed Delivery said on July 2 that my package would be delivered on July 5
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jul 2022

I got a notice that it was delivered on July 5, but no such package from Florida has yet to be delivered to my mailbox. I got a tracking number and will visit the Postmaster to find out where it was delivered and when...I haven't a clue what this package might be except, possibly, my third boxes of USPS-provided free Covid home tests??? DeJoy and his minions are still at mail suppression - The Little Lie!

moose65

(3,167 posts)
16. Who said they're driving?
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:54 AM
Jul 2022

Drop boxes are usually in populated areas where people can drop a ballot instead of mailing it. What's the difference, really?

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
31. I completely agree with you.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 12:38 PM
Jul 2022

I don't see standing here and how the hell would enforcement even work! Absolutely a smokescreen.

sybylla

(8,514 posts)
40. Also BS because WiSC decided if it's not specifically mentioned, it's illegal.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:31 PM
Jul 2022

So because drop boxes aren't specifically mentioned in election law, they must be illegal.

Total BS that isn't true anywhere else.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
32. Agreed.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 12:42 PM
Jul 2022

I just filled out my primary ballot and am just getting ready to drive to the dropbox to drop it off.

I don't care if there was only one Dem person on the ballot running against that traitor, Lisa McClain. I voted for him anyway and any other Dem on the ballot just to show that even though I'm in a red area, I am going to vote Dem all the way now and in November.

33taw

(2,444 posts)
7. The last time the SC limited WI voters during the pandemic it fired up the Democrats so much we
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:24 AM
Jul 2022

won a Supreme Court seat we were expected to lose by 10%. I personally delivered my ballot to a National Guardsmen on election day.

keopeli

(3,522 posts)
8. This dumb ruling is likely to hurt Republicans more than Dems.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:26 AM
Jul 2022

Republican demographics are older than Dems. In the past, Repubs were more frequent users of drop boxes and early voting. Only Covid changed that dynamic. Without Covid, Dems are more likely to seek whatever means possible to vote. On the other hand, very old voters, who skew Republican, are more likely to be loners and have more difficulty submitting a ballot if the options are more limited.

This is just my opinion based on previous voting trends and demographics.

It's so typical that these conservatives base their decision on feelings and perception rather than facts.

moose65

(3,167 posts)
18. You are right!
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:58 AM
Jul 2022

Here in NC, Republicans spent a decade telling older voters to request ballots and mail them in - "It's easy, secure, and convenient" they said! The over-65 demographic in NC has historically used vote-by-mail the most (and they're also a Republican-leaning group).

Then 2020 happened, and suddenly voting by mail was "fraudulent" and the Republicans in charge of NC were ranting and raving about it, while still promoting it to their own voters!

Anything they do to restrict voting by mail will ultimately backfire on them. So be it

BumRushDaShow

(129,091 posts)
21. This would make sense and I have posted about that before
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 11:09 AM
Jul 2022

except what has happened is that the RW loons would "selectively enforce" this - targeting blue areas with faux, O'Keefe-style "surveillance teams" while wink-winking at the red areas.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
9. Well that sucks !!!
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:33 AM
Jul 2022

Republicans are such dicks !!! They just can't manage giving a hoot about anyone but themselves. Selfish hateful assholes.

Marthe48

(16,975 posts)
11. GOTV
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:37 AM
Jul 2022

The only way we can hang on is to unseat as many r's as we can on Nov 8, 2022. We need a blue tsunami to wash out as many r's on every level as we can. Get people committed to a democratic way of life, undo the damage being done by fascists and make the repairs ironclad, so we don't have to keep fighting the same battles every generation.

We'd probably be colonizing Mars right now if the r's stopped holding us back.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
17. Drop boxes are a regular feature in WA State
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 10:56 AM
Jul 2022

100% mail-in voting. I can't imagine what the risk would be. You can give your ballot to someone and have them put it in the mailbox; what would be the difference?

This is another narrow decision - the WI State voting law doesn't specifically permit something, so therefore it's illegal:

He determined that state law didn’t allow the use of unstaffed ballot drop boxes and didn’t allow voters to give their completed absentee ballots to someone else to return for them.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
19. This will impact republican voters, too.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jul 2022

Republicans like vote-by-mail as much as democrats do.

As of 2022, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Nevada, Utah, and Washington State conduct their elections entirely by mail, while Vermont holds general elections entirely by mail.


Americans should be angry that it's easier to vote in some states than in others. Especially Americans in states where it's not easy to vote.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
23. Wisconsin will be renamed....
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 11:19 AM
Jul 2022

"Texas-north" after the mid-terms, and Abbott will become Governor of the new Texas appendage.

The weather in Texas-north will remain the same though.

MadMike47

(106 posts)
28. Just one more reason to vote for Democrats.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jul 2022

Wisconsin Republicans are just asking to get their asses kicked in November.

3825-87867

(851 posts)
29. How can one state Supreme Court
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 11:58 AM
Jul 2022

say drop boxes are illegal and other state's Supreme Courts say they're fine? Sounds like unequal justice to me.

Oh yeah, partisan politics and hatred of Democrats from supposedly impartial Justices.

Looks like the only Law in America that can't be challenged or overturned or "adjusted" for ANY reason is Amendment 2.

When anyone asks how many amendments there are, the answer should be...ONE - Guns Guns Guns.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
42. Unfortunately the laws are written differently in each state, just how the Repukes want it
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 04:10 PM
Jul 2022

So the Supreme Court for each state can only look at the law that's enacted for their state. It doesn't matter whether mailed ballots are allowed in other states, they're not allowed to consider that. Some states are fine with the locked drop-off boxes, others aren't.

JT45242

(2,278 posts)
33. Seems like a clear violation of ADA and 14th amendment protections
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:03 PM
Jul 2022

But this SCOTUS will likely rule that only registered Rethuglicans are entitled to vote in the first place.

Or more likely, based on originalism.

Only white males who own physical property (real estate) shall be entitled to vote. BIPOC and women should sit down and shut up as Beer Bong and Alito will clearly write next term.

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
34. If the law actually doesnt allow for it, then thats that. They would HAVE to rule that way.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:14 PM
Jul 2022

Whether thats actually the case or not is another question. And I'm not in ANY way, a lawyer.
But if we are going to follow the LAWS, then we will have to also follow some judgements that we don't like.
Again, I'm just saying if the Wi law doesnt allow for it then it was the correct decision.

BumRushDaShow

(129,091 posts)
38. What happens with laws and regulations
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:59 PM
Jul 2022

is what they call "explicit" (spelled out) vs "implicit" (implied/assumed through other means) interpretations.

People complain about the sheer (essentially obscene) amount of "regulations" because too much stuff "is spelled out" and that is often due to this problem of challenging whether something is explicitly legal or not. There are literally volumes and volumes, rack after rack after rack that make up the Code of Federal Regulations, that contain the whats and whys and hows for Departments and Agencies to refer to when applying the law -



They now maintain them online (and they were going through digitizing about 60 years worth of older volumes back in 2015) although if an agency orders hard copies, they'll ship out the printed volumes.

The same usually happens at the state, county, and municipal levels.

So for example in the past with Roe, the courts found the implicit right to privacy (4th Amendment) applied and last month decided to ditch that and instead wants lots and lots of writing.

Fourth Amendment


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment


For voting, some of it is in the various Voting Rights Acts including HAVA (Help America Vote Act that allowed for provisional ballots for example), but again, more writing apparently needed.

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
36. If "unstaffed ballot drop boxes" are now illegal
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:27 PM
Jul 2022

When will the court make "unstaffed USPS drop boxes" illegal? Other than outside markings, they look alike.

orleans

(34,057 posts)
37. mail them in and vote those fuckers OUT!
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jul 2022

unless wisconsin republicons enjoy being told what to do ("thank you sir, may i have another&quot they should vote their fuckers out too

SunSeeker

(51,571 posts)
39. Geebus. There is NO evidence of fraud related to drop boxes.
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:03 PM
Jul 2022

Last edited Fri Jul 8, 2022, 04:57 PM - Edit history (1)

They are no more problematic than unattended US mail boxes, for fuck's sake.

Any state law saying drop boxes are illegal simply has no rational basis to exist, it is just about suppressing poor people's votes (Democrats) who tend to use them since they can't afford to take off work to vote, and want to save money on postage.

Here in CA, all mail ballot postage is free AND we have drop boxes. And we have no voter fraud!

BumRushDaShow

(129,091 posts)
41. We didn't have any voter fraud here in PA either, ssociated with drop boxes
Fri Jul 8, 2022, 03:52 PM
Jul 2022

but we did have at least 4 Republicans fraudulently voting on behalf of dead people.





John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
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🚨BREAKING: PA VOTER FRAUD🚨

Registered Allegheny County *REPUBLICAN* voted for his deceased wife (RIP 💀 2013) in the November 2020 election. 🗳

✅ So far in 2020, Trump has banked *100%* of the dead family member vote.
Allegheny County police
wtae.com
Police: South Park man submitted mail-in ballot under his deceased wife’s name
Francis Presto, 79, is facing several charges
2:33 PM · Jan 29, 2021 from Braddock, PA





John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
·
Jan 29, 2021
Replying to @JohnFetterman
Here we go, Dan:
John Fetterman
@JohnFetterman
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I’m sorry but this is impossibly hilarious. *Four* cases of voter fraud in Pennsylvania out of 7M ballots and they ALL involve dead relatives voting for Trump.

Didn’t they always say it was dead Democrats that voted?? 😆
2:38 PM · Jan 29, 2021 from Braddock, PA


(and PA mail ballots are postage-free as well)
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