Wisconsin Supreme Court rules absentee ballot drop boxes are illegal
Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
MADISON - Voters casting absentee ballots this fall for the highest state offices won't be able to return their ballots in upcoming elections by using drop boxes following a ruling Friday by the Wisconsin Supreme Court's conservative majority. The 4-3 ruling is a win for Republicans who oppose the longstanding use of ballot drop boxes after the coronavirus pandemic pushed election officials to promote their use to limit contact, concerns that were buoyed by false claims of voter fraud from former President Donald Trump after he lost re-election in 2020.
The state's highest court also upheld a Waukesha County court's ruling that required absentee ballots to be delivered by mail or returned personally. The ruling did not determine whether voters can have a family member or friend drop their ballots in the mail a restriction some Wisconsin voters with significant physical disabilities feared would prevent them from casting ballots in future elections.
Poll workers typically visit nursing homes to assist residents vote. Clerks allow curbside voting for people who cant get out of their cars. In some cases, postal workers will pick up and deliver mail to someone's door instead of a mailbox at the end of a driveway if the recipient has a medical condition. Those policies help some voters but not everyone.
The underlying dispute over voting policies began last year, when the conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty filed the lawsuit on behalf of two suburban Milwaukee men. Waukesha County Circuit Judge Michael Bohren ruled in their favor in January and ordered the state elections commission to revoke advice it issued in 2020. He determined that state law didnt allow the use of unstaffed ballot drop boxes and didnt allow voters to give their completed absentee ballots to someone else to return for them.
Read more: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/07/08/wisconsin-supreme-court-rules-absentee-ballot-dropboxes-illegal/7829047001/
JohnSJ
(92,219 posts)jimfields33
(15,823 posts)Fill it out and mail it. Mission accomplished.
Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)Late mailings of ballots in Texas for the primaries meant that people either had to vote in person or not vote. Republican elections officials know which zip codes are where more Democrats live and can delay mailing ballots. Now that DeJoy has destroyed the reliability of the US Postal Service, and is still on the job, mailing a ballot two days before an election does not guarantee delivery and the post office no longer automatically stamps the date on mail so it may not be counted.
We need real laws to protect access. The Wisconsin Supreme Court is ridiculous.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)written permission from Mike DeJoy. His office will be closed until after the mid-term elections take place though.
moose65
(3,167 posts)What possible standing could "two suburban Milwaukee men" have had in this case? How did having drop boxes "hurt" them??
And it is ridiculous to think it could be illegal for someone else to place your ballot in the mail. How in the world would any entity ever police that?
Of course, it's all a smokescreen to make voting as hard as possible.
jimfields33
(15,823 posts)Save the environment as well. Im sure some will say environment? 50,000 voters driving to drop off ballots adds up. Mailing early enough works well. Just dont wait til the deadline.
niyad
(113,336 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,393 posts)I got a notice that it was delivered on July 5, but no such package from Florida has yet to be delivered to my mailbox. I got a tracking number and will visit the Postmaster to find out where it was delivered and when...I haven't a clue what this package might be except, possibly, my third boxes of USPS-provided free Covid home tests??? DeJoy and his minions are still at mail suppression - The Little Lie!
moose65
(3,167 posts)Drop boxes are usually in populated areas where people can drop a ballot instead of mailing it. What's the difference, really?
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)I don't see standing here and how the hell would enforcement even work! Absolutely a smokescreen.
sybylla
(8,514 posts)So because drop boxes aren't specifically mentioned in election law, they must be illegal.
Total BS that isn't true anywhere else.
marmar
(77,081 posts)I just filled out my primary ballot and am just getting ready to drive to the dropbox to drop it off.
I don't care if there was only one Dem person on the ballot running against that traitor, Lisa McClain. I voted for him anyway and any other Dem on the ballot just to show that even though I'm in a red area, I am going to vote Dem all the way now and in November.
33taw
(2,444 posts)won a Supreme Court seat we were expected to lose by 10%. I personally delivered my ballot to a National Guardsmen on election day.
keopeli
(3,522 posts)Republican demographics are older than Dems. In the past, Repubs were more frequent users of drop boxes and early voting. Only Covid changed that dynamic. Without Covid, Dems are more likely to seek whatever means possible to vote. On the other hand, very old voters, who skew Republican, are more likely to be loners and have more difficulty submitting a ballot if the options are more limited.
This is just my opinion based on previous voting trends and demographics.
It's so typical that these conservatives base their decision on feelings and perception rather than facts.
moose65
(3,167 posts)Here in NC, Republicans spent a decade telling older voters to request ballots and mail them in - "It's easy, secure, and convenient" they said! The over-65 demographic in NC has historically used vote-by-mail the most (and they're also a Republican-leaning group).
Then 2020 happened, and suddenly voting by mail was "fraudulent" and the Republicans in charge of NC were ranting and raving about it, while still promoting it to their own voters!
Anything they do to restrict voting by mail will ultimately backfire on them. So be it
BumRushDaShow
(129,091 posts)except what has happened is that the RW loons would "selectively enforce" this - targeting blue areas with faux, O'Keefe-style "surveillance teams" while wink-winking at the red areas.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Republicans are such dicks !!! They just can't manage giving a hoot about anyone but themselves. Selfish hateful assholes.
NBachers
(17,120 posts)Marthe48
(16,975 posts)The only way we can hang on is to unseat as many r's as we can on Nov 8, 2022. We need a blue tsunami to wash out as many r's on every level as we can. Get people committed to a democratic way of life, undo the damage being done by fascists and make the repairs ironclad, so we don't have to keep fighting the same battles every generation.
We'd probably be colonizing Mars right now if the r's stopped holding us back.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)100% mail-in voting. I can't imagine what the risk would be. You can give your ballot to someone and have them put it in the mailbox; what would be the difference?
This is another narrow decision - the WI State voting law doesn't specifically permit something, so therefore it's illegal:
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Republicans like vote-by-mail as much as democrats do.
As of 2022, Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Nevada, Utah, and Washington State conduct their elections entirely by mail, while Vermont holds general elections entirely by mail.
Americans should be angry that it's easier to vote in some states than in others. Especially Americans in states where it's not easy to vote.
Novara
(5,843 posts)That is all.
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)"Texas-north" after the mid-terms, and Abbott will become Governor of the new Texas appendage.
The weather in Texas-north will remain the same though.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)Like Mississippi with an upside down "M"
SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)nt.
minstrel76
(83 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)purr-rat beauty
(543 posts)This will cascade into more election disruption shennanigans
KS Toronado
(17,259 posts)MadMike47
(106 posts)Wisconsin Republicans are just asking to get their asses kicked in November.
3825-87867
(851 posts)say drop boxes are illegal and other state's Supreme Courts say they're fine? Sounds like unequal justice to me.
Oh yeah, partisan politics and hatred of Democrats from supposedly impartial Justices.
Looks like the only Law in America that can't be challenged or overturned or "adjusted" for ANY reason is Amendment 2.
When anyone asks how many amendments there are, the answer should be...ONE - Guns Guns Guns.
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)So the Supreme Court for each state can only look at the law that's enacted for their state. It doesn't matter whether mailed ballots are allowed in other states, they're not allowed to consider that. Some states are fine with the locked drop-off boxes, others aren't.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,028 posts)JT45242
(2,278 posts)But this SCOTUS will likely rule that only registered Rethuglicans are entitled to vote in the first place.
Or more likely, based on originalism.
Only white males who own physical property (real estate) shall be entitled to vote. BIPOC and women should sit down and shut up as Beer Bong and Alito will clearly write next term.
oldsoftie
(12,555 posts)Whether thats actually the case or not is another question. And I'm not in ANY way, a lawyer.
But if we are going to follow the LAWS, then we will have to also follow some judgements that we don't like.
Again, I'm just saying if the Wi law doesnt allow for it then it was the correct decision.
BumRushDaShow
(129,091 posts)is what they call "explicit" (spelled out) vs "implicit" (implied/assumed through other means) interpretations.
People complain about the sheer (essentially obscene) amount of "regulations" because too much stuff "is spelled out" and that is often due to this problem of challenging whether something is explicitly legal or not. There are literally volumes and volumes, rack after rack after rack that make up the Code of Federal Regulations, that contain the whats and whys and hows for Departments and Agencies to refer to when applying the law -
They now maintain them online (and they were going through digitizing about 60 years worth of older volumes back in 2015) although if an agency orders hard copies, they'll ship out the printed volumes.
The same usually happens at the state, county, and municipal levels.
So for example in the past with Roe, the courts found the implicit right to privacy (4th Amendment) applied and last month decided to ditch that and instead wants lots and lots of writing.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment
For voting, some of it is in the various Voting Rights Acts including HAVA (Help America Vote Act that allowed for provisional ballots for example), but again, more writing apparently needed.
KS Toronado
(17,259 posts)When will the court make "unstaffed USPS drop boxes" illegal? Other than outside markings, they look alike.
orleans
(34,057 posts)unless wisconsin republicons enjoy being told what to do ("thank you sir, may i have another" they should vote their fuckers out too
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 8, 2022, 04:57 PM - Edit history (1)
They are no more problematic than unattended US mail boxes, for fuck's sake.
Any state law saying drop boxes are illegal simply has no rational basis to exist, it is just about suppressing poor people's votes (Democrats) who tend to use them since they can't afford to take off work to vote, and want to save money on postage.
Here in CA, all mail ballot postage is free AND we have drop boxes. And we have no voter fraud!
BumRushDaShow
(129,091 posts)but we did have at least 4 Republicans fraudulently voting on behalf of dead people.
Link to tweet
@JohnFetterman
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🚨BREAKING: PA VOTER FRAUD🚨
Registered Allegheny County *REPUBLICAN* voted for his deceased wife (RIP 💀 2013) in the November 2020 election. 🗳
✅ So far in 2020, Trump has banked *100%* of the dead family member vote.
Allegheny County police
wtae.com
Police: South Park man submitted mail-in ballot under his deceased wifes name
Francis Presto, 79, is facing several charges
2:33 PM · Jan 29, 2021 from Braddock, PA
Link to tweet
@JohnFetterman
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Jan 29, 2021
Replying to @JohnFetterman
Here we go, Dan:
John Fetterman
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Im sorry but this is impossibly hilarious. *Four* cases of voter fraud in Pennsylvania out of 7M ballots and they ALL involve dead relatives voting for Trump.
Didnt they always say it was dead Democrats that voted?? 😆
2:38 PM · Jan 29, 2021 from Braddock, PA
(and PA mail ballots are postage-free as well)
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)John Fetterman is awesome with social media.