House passes assault-style weapons ban

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: CNN

(CNN)The House of Representatives voted Friday evening to ban assault-style weapons, sending the bill to the Senate where it's not expected to advance. The final vote was 217-213. Democrats Henry Cuellar of Texas, Jared Golden of Maine, Ron Kind of Wisconsin, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas and Kurt Schrader of Oregon voted against the ban. Republicans Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania and Chris Jacobs of New York voted for the bill.

While the legislation is not expected to amass the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster in the Senate, many Democrats in the House cited a string of recent mass shootings involving such firearms as a pressing reason to outlaw them. "Today, our Democratic Majority will take up and pass the Assault Weapons Ban legislation: a crucial step in our ongoing fight against the deadly epidemic of gun violence in our nation," Pelosi said in a letter to members of her caucus ahead of the vote.

Friday's vote came as progressives, moderates and members of the Congressional Black Caucus are divided on how to handle the policing funding component of a broader public safety package, which was not included in Friday's series of votes. While negotiations on that proposal are continuing, according to sources, the key negotiators were hoping to settle both issues in hopes of having a vote on both packages as soon as Friday. Moderate and vulnerable Democrats had been pushing for a vote on the policing legislation before they leave town in an effort to rebut GOP attacks over defunding the police, but members of the CBC had concerns and have been pushing for accountability language.

The deal to try to combine both pieces of legislation came together late Thursday night, and was negotiated between Pelosi, Congressional Black Caucus Chairwoman Joyce Beatty of Ohio, and moderate Democratic Rep. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey. But other members of the Congressional Black and Progressive caucuses were frustrated that they were kept out of the loop, which is ultimately why Democratic leadership decided to separate the bills.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/house-vote-assault-weapons-ban/index.html

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I believe this is the bill just voted on (link goes to the text) -

H.R.1808 - Assault Weapons Ban of 2022

[DVRacer]

1. Now we wait until November

To see if the expenditure of political capital is worth it. We know going in there’s zero chance of advancing and due to its language the court will not uphold it. Will this bill help more than it hurts in November is what is left to be seen. I was under the impression yesterday this was tabled but here we are.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

2. Will David Hogg stop attacking Democrats now? Nt

[Evolve Dammit]

3. If you saw your classmates get blasted to bits, you might understand the frustration. n/t

[AZSkiffyGeek]

4. That's fair

But he’s attacking the only ones who have even attempted to do something. His tweetstorm yesterday was downright ugly.

[Evolve Dammit]

7. Maybe it needs the Jon Stewart level of passion and naming names. Take the f'in gloves off.

[ancianita]

5. We can take it. 7 million still know what to do in November.

[IronLionZion]

6. The generation that grew up with mass shootings

will likely be the one to actually get it passed through both houses and signed into law. Hopefully sooner than we think

[AllyCat]

8. Ron Kind. On his way out the door.

What did he have to lose by not voting for this?

[RestoreAmerica2020]

9. #@#$! This bill needed 100% Dem support and not bc of t vulnerable seats but

..bc ...this is about stopping, hindering the next mass murderer--we needed to show America a united front to stop the next mass shooting at a school, grocery store, parade.

It's not if, it's when--could be at their child's school, store where their parents shop..or when they take their family to movie theatre... so for those Dems voting nay..thank you!

No, I'm not second guessing Speaker Pelosi..she obviously knows how to count votes..yet imo opinion, the optics didn't sit well with me, that is, from where I sit.

The final vote was 217-213. Democrats Henry Cuellar of Texas, Jared Golden of Maine, Ron Kind of Wisconsin, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas and Kurt Schrader of Oregon voted against the ban. Republicans Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania and Chris Jacobs of New York voted for the bill.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

10. Now on to the Senate where it will just wither away on the vine.

IMHO, Speaker Pelosi should have waited until after the mid terms and then put it up for a vote.

But that's just my opinion.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Well believe it or not

you have candidates like John Fetterman here in PA, who has as one of his slogans - "I'll be the '51st vote' to (fill in the blank)" (get rid of the filibuster, codify voting rights, abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, enact an AWB, etc).

So this highlights people like him who are pushing for change in the Senate.

We know we need to pick up at least 2 more Senators (and hold our current ones) in order to bypass Manchin and Sinema to either completely dump the filibuster or at least do a carve-out of it - maybe just have it in place for "money bills" and let other legislation at least move forward for debate and a final vote (to include VP Harris as a tie-breaker).

The one issue with that though, is that there are some other Senators who have sat quietly in the background who are not for doing anything with the filibuster either (e.g. Feinstein) having the fear that if control switched, we would fucked. This is why I think some kind of carve-out should be considered.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

12. I like and agree with what you're saying,

but the 2 ton elephant in the room is the SCOTUS, which we all know will find any AWB unconstitutional one way or the other and also a hell of a lot of Sheriff Office's will refuse to enforce any such law.

And then to top it off, all those weapons already out there in the public are grandfathered in and will be there for decades to come.

Short of an all out ban on every semi auto rifle and hi cap mags, I really don't see a solution, at least not in my lifetime, it's going to be up to my grandchildren's generation to solve this problem.

I feel ashamed that my generation so screwed this up.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Well with some of the "incremental" laws that have been recently passed

like S.2938 - Bipartisan Safer Communities Act - particularly related to those "ghost guns" (and the kits that get sold completely unregulated), that believe it or not (which will hopefully be left alone) will have a bigger impact on people's lives than the AWB at this point.

And that's because although an AW will cause mass deaths quickly in a single incident, that level of mass killing is going on in 2s and 3s and 4s using illegal handguns, literally on an hourly basis throughout the U.S.

The last AWB was actually included in H.R.3355 - Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 as an amendment and a new one will probably need to be added in the same way - perhaps via reconciliation, if we can get enough Senators to do it (reconciliation only needs 51 votes).

[LenaBaby61]

18. Now on to the Senate where it will just wither away on the vine.

And David will keep on criticizing Dems while the GQP US Taliban party of NO votes NO and then proceeds to high-five one another

[Polybius]

14. 5 Democrats and 2 Republicans broke ranks with their majority

The Democrats who voted against the bill were Reps. Henry Cuellar and Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, Kurt Schrader of Oregon, Jared Golden of Maine and Ron Kind of Wisconsin. Republicans who voted for the measure were Reps. Chris Jacobs of New York and Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania.

https://rollcall.com/2022/07/29/house-passes-assault-weapons-ban-in-wake-of-mass-shootings/

[PSPS]

15. Well, we already know how this will go...

That's Moscow Mitch on his cell phone.

[StrkSrviver]

16. We're picking

We're picking the wrong hill to fight this fight on. We somehow need to fight the stereotype for banning assault type weapons is not disarming the private citizens. Face it, there's too many of them in circulation right now, why not restrict where they can be carried. The Supreme Court says people have the right to carry, restrict open carry to hand guns. You want a pistol with ammunition capacity greater than 10 rounds, cool, you can carry a. 22mag. 20 rounds should be enough for any self defense situation people find themselves in away from home. Traditional Hunting rifles, no problem. If somebody wants to be foolish enough to carry it in a vehicle without a case, figure the only thing he's going to mess up is his sights. Assault type weapons and high capacity ,high caliber pistols need to be restricted to "home "defense or carried locked in their case when in transit. And the public wearing of body armor is restricted to law enforcement officers.

[Novara]

17. The reason to do it now is getting them on the record before the midterms

And the fact is, when we had an assault weapons ban, mass killings were dramatically decreased.

Sure, we need to make restrictions for a lot of different things regarding guns. But banning weapons of mass murder of children where their parents can't even identify their bodies HAS TO BE DONE. There is no legitimate reason for these weapons to be available to the public. Period.

[Kaleva]

23. Mass killings done with handguns also declined during that time

As did violent crimes other then mass shootings. The violent crime rate peaked in the early 90s and then began a steep decline but is going back up in the past few years.

[oneshooter]

19. A question that I believe needs an answer

"What is a "assault style" weapon. Is there a standard description available ?

[twodogsbarking]

21. No

[Kaleva]

22. A semiauto that has a military appearance and is not regulated by the NFA of 1934

It's in the eye of the beholder.

[madville]

25. Their definition is in the bill

“(40) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

“(A) A semiautomatic rifle that—

“(i) has the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device; and

“(ii) has any 1 of the following:

“(I) A pistol grip.

“(II) A forward grip.

“(III) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock, or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of the weapon.

“(IV) A grenade launcher.

“(V) A barrel shroud.

“(VI) A threaded barrel.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1808/text

[NickB79]

26. Wow. My .22 rimfire squirrel rifle would be a considered an assault rifle

🤣🤣🤣

[oneshooter]

27. And I believe that my M1garands possably would also be.

[madville]

28. Read on down in the bill, M-1's are exempt

Along with lots of other stuff

[oneshooter]

33. Garands and carbines?

[madville]

35. See here

APPENDIX A—FIREARMS EXEMPTED BY THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN OF 2022

Centerfire Rifles—Autoloaders

“Iver Johnson 50th Anniversary M–1 Carbine (w/o folding stock)
“Iver Johnson M–1 Carbine (w/o folding stock)
“M–1 Carbines with standard fixed stock
“M–1 Garand with fixed 8 round capacity and standard stock
“

From my reading, if you had a carbine with a paratrooper style side folder and pistol grip, the only major change would be that you’d have to transfer it through an FFL to sell or buy one, no private sales.

[oneshooter]

40. M1 Carbines were issued with folding stocks to paratroopers and truck drivers.

[madville]

41. Those would still be legal as well

Just would have to transfer/sell/buy through an FFL.

[madville]

29. Rimfire is exempt from most of the provisions

It’s mentioned several times in the bill.

[NickB79]

30. This made it sound like all calibers are covered

(40) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

[madville]

31. It's down in the bill text

“(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that—

“(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action, except for a shotgun described in section 921(a)(40)(G);

“(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable;

“(C) is an antique firearm, as defined in section 921 of this title; or

“(D) is only capable of firing rimfire ammunition.

[NickB79]

32. I see a big market for new rimfire calibers then to skirt the law

The .17 Winchester Super Magnum rimfire throws a 20-gr bullet at 3000 feet per second, so it's matching 9mm handguns in kinetic energy, and it's available in semiautos. I have a .17 Hornady Magnum that's slightly less powerful (2500 fps).

A beefed up version in a larger caliber could probably match 5.56mm rounds.

[madville]

34. That's a good point

Rimfire cartridges would see some development for sure if exempt. It’s fairly certain that this won’t pass the Senate anyway before the midterms, so it’s all hypothetical anyway.

[DakotaSnow]

37. My 9mm carbine

Seems to be somewhat in question. It's just a varmit rifle used to off the destructive critters around my property.

[madville]

38. It would be grandfathered even if

It met the definition in this bill. The only way this bill would affect your ownership of that firearm is if you wanted to sell it, you’d have to transfer it to the buyer through a FFL, which might already be required anyway depending on your state laws.

This bill does restrict sale of new magazines over 15 rounds to the general public, but that’s not a big deal to most people, buy some extras now if you’re worried about that eventually passing one day.

[radicalleft]

20. The repuke campaign ads just write themselves

MMW…the ads to promote rep candidates will be full of confiscation fear mongering!

[madville]

24. Read the bill this morning, doesn't do much

Basically the same appearance driven ban as the previous one, does nothing to change the actual function of the gun or ability to use high capacity magazines, just mandates that it can’t have an adjustable stock, muzzle device, grenade launcher (that you can’t buy grenades for anyway), etc.

During the previous 1994 ban you could still buy AR-15/AK style rifles and high capacity magazines, biggest difference are that there are now tens if not a hundred million existing rifles that would be grandfathered in and still transferable along with the billions of high capacity magazines that already exist.

A big issue is that it says new high capacity magazines must be dated and have a serial number, so that would mean any magazine not dated or serialized would by default be considered an old one that is grandfathered and legal.

[ck4829]

36. Kick

[hack89]

39. Not a ban on possession

it is not retroactive so ownership of assault weapons that were purchased before the ban is enacted are perfectly legal.