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ripcord

(5,507 posts)
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:39 AM Jul 2022

Pelosi stops in Hawaii and reveals her Asia plans. But no mention of Taiwan

Source: CNN

US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is heading to Asia for a tour of the region after landing in Hawaii, where she visited the Pearl Harbor Memorial and the USS Arizona.
Pelosi is leading a Congressional delegation to the Indo-Pacific and plans to visit places including Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea and Japan, according to a statement released by her office on Sunday.
The statement made no mention of Taiwan, despite speculation in recent days that Pelosi might be planning to visit the self-governing democracy of 24 million people.

China's Communist Party, which claims Taiwan as part of its territory -- despite never having controlled it -- has warned against Pelosi visiting the island, and US President Joe Biden recently let slip that the US military thinks such a trip would be "not a good idea right now". However, US lawmakers on both sides of Washington's political divide have urged her to go.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/31/asia/pelosi-visits-hawaii-as-she-heads-on-asia-tour-hnk-intl/index.html



The One China policy is total political fiction, sad that we support something so ridiculous.
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Pelosi stops in Hawaii and reveals her Asia plans. But no mention of Taiwan (Original Post) ripcord Jul 2022 OP
so, aside from yet another "Let's find something to smear Pelosi with" post azureblue Jul 2022 #1
I doubt anyone sets the internary and agenda for Speaker Pelosi against her wishes MichMan Jul 2022 #7
US military thinks such a trip would be "not a good idea right now" yaesu Jul 2022 #2
If the military, and possibly the administration, thinks it is not a good idea, that should carry karynnj Jul 2022 #4
NOT going just emboldens China even more. We kowtow to them far too much. oldsoftie Jul 2022 #6
Brittney Griner thought so too MichMan Jul 2022 #8
So it was just another instance of RW hysteria? Pete Ross Junior Jul 2022 #3
She should go over there and shoot off fireworks in the streets oldsoftie Jul 2022 #5
They threatened to shoot her plane down womanofthehills Jul 2022 #9
Like we couldn't get her in & out without them knowing. They won't shoot it down. oldsoftie Jul 2022 #10
Why is the One China Policy total fiction? Have any idea what's been happening in Hong Kong... Hekate Jul 2022 #11
The One China Policy is where the People's Republic of China is the only recognized China ripcord Jul 2022 #14
The KMT still holds (at least until recently) that Taiwan is part of China geardaddy Aug 2022 #17
Why the suspense? Sneederbunk Jul 2022 #12
Clickbait for cable tv talking heads while the talking heads speculate? Hekate Jul 2022 #13
WE Democrats can be sure that Pelosi is delivering important info from Pres. Biden, and ancianita Jul 2022 #15
Playing it close to the vest? duckworth969 Jul 2022 #16
My thoughts on this? bluestarone Aug 2022 #18

azureblue

(2,150 posts)
1. so, aside from yet another "Let's find something to smear Pelosi with" post
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 10:53 AM
Jul 2022

What is the purpose of the trip?
Why were those countries chosen?
Who set the itinerary? Was it Pelosi herself, or someone else?
Who said she should visit Taiwan, anyway? For what reason, as compared to the purpose of her trip? What does Taiwan have to offer as compared to Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea and Japan?




yaesu

(8,020 posts)
2. US military thinks such a trip would be "not a good idea right now"
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 11:02 AM
Jul 2022

Any US citizen should be able to go anywhere in the World were they are invited. We built the greatest military in the World at YUGE cost, lets act like it. We have the cold war communist block bullying US again, I'm sick & tired of russia & china calling the shots. Bullies cannot be compromised with.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
4. If the military, and possibly the administration, thinks it is not a good idea, that should carry
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jul 2022

Weight in Pelosi's decision. Given her position, unless the military or diplomatic security could comfortably insure her safety, what goal is important enough to balance the risk?

Obviously the risk/benefit analysis allowed her and others to visit Ukraine.

oldsoftie

(12,587 posts)
6. NOT going just emboldens China even more. We kowtow to them far too much.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 12:07 PM
Jul 2022

They already get their way too much. The NBA bends over for them. Disney bends over for them. Even John Cena bends over for them.
At SOME POINT we must break our dependence on china. We MUST
And the EU needs to do the same.

oldsoftie

(12,587 posts)
5. She should go over there and shoot off fireworks in the streets
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 12:02 PM
Jul 2022

And not make it public until she's back in the US.

womanofthehills

(8,759 posts)
9. They threatened to shoot her plane down
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 12:31 PM
Jul 2022

We don’t need to find out if they would really do it. We have enough going on over in Ukraine.

oldsoftie

(12,587 posts)
10. Like we couldn't get her in & out without them knowing. They won't shoot it down.
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:11 PM
Jul 2022

We keep bending for the Chinese & its only going to get worse.

Hekate

(90,779 posts)
11. Why is the One China Policy total fiction? Have any idea what's been happening in Hong Kong...
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 01:15 PM
Jul 2022

… since the British gave it back? The People’s Republic has a rather vigorous intolerance for dissent and opposition.

Also, China has not controlled Taiwan in several generations, and there’s 24 million Taiwanese who’d really rather it stayed that way.



ripcord

(5,507 posts)
14. The One China Policy is where the People's Republic of China is the only recognized China
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 02:42 PM
Jul 2022

As opposed to the fact that the Republic of China (Taiwan) is a separate nation.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
17. The KMT still holds (at least until recently) that Taiwan is part of China
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 04:48 PM
Aug 2022

and that they are the true rulers of all of Mainland China, including Mongolia. They are against an independent Taiwan, since that would mean they would have to recognize the PRC as a separate government.

The DPP is strongly for Taiwan independence either de facto or de jure.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
15. WE Democrats can be sure that Pelosi is delivering important info from Pres. Biden, and
Sun Jul 31, 2022, 04:07 PM
Jul 2022

of course he knows what the hell she's doing, and of course she will be able to contact a liaison from Taiwan, our de facto US embassy there.



This is the crap people do when they don't know all the facts -- like with AG Garland and the DOJ for so long.

It's got to be pretty goddamn important for her to be heading to so many Asian countries. So don't FUD me, bro.

bluestarone

(17,025 posts)
18. My thoughts on this?
Mon Aug 1, 2022, 05:01 PM
Aug 2022

I'm really mixed up on which way is the best way to handle this. All i know for sure is IF she decides to visit Taiwan, we better be ready to make quick decisions, because if China decides to invade Taiwan, What will be our answer to that? If that happens, i feel the election will be all rethuglicon. We DO NOT need to chance this, at this time. There will be a BETTER time for this visit. We really got to use our best thinking here!

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