Arizona Officials Warned Fake Electors Plan Could 'Appear Treasonous'
Source: New York Times
Two Arizona Republicans recruited by allies of former President Donald J. Trump to join an effort to keep him in office after he lost the 2020 election grew so concerned about the plan that they told lawyers working on it that they feared their actions could be seen as treason, according to emails reviewed by The New York Times.
Kelli Ward, the chairwoman of the Arizona Republican Party, and Kelly Townsend, a state senator, were both said to have expressed concerns to Mr. Trumps lawyers in December 2020 about participating in a plan to sign on to a slate of electors claiming that Mr. Trump had won Arizona, even though Joseph R. Biden Jr. had won the state. The scheme was part of a broader bid one of the longest running and most complicated that Mr. Trump undertook as he sought to cling to power after losing the 2020 presidential election to falsely manufacture a victory for him by creating fake slates of electors in battleground states who would claim that he had been the true winner.
Some of the lawyers who undertook the effort doubted its legality, and the emails, which have not been previously reported, were the latest indication that other key players also knew they were on shaky legal ground, and took pains to fabricate a rationale that could justify their actions. Kenneth Chesebro, a lawyer working for Mr. Trumps campaign, wrote in a Dec. 11, 2020, email to other members of the legal team that Ms. Ward and Ms. Townsend had raised concerns about casting votes as part of an alternate slate of electors because there was no pending legal challenge that could flip the results of Arizonas election.
Ward and Townsend are concerned it could appear treasonous for the AZ electors to vote on Monday if there is no pending court proceeding that might, eventually, lead to the electors being ratified as the legitimate ones, Mr. Chesebro wrote to the group, which included Rudolph W. Giuliani, Mr. Trumps personal lawyer. Mr. Chesebro wrote the word treasonous in bold.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/02/us/politics/arizona-trump-fake-electors.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Sneederbunk
(14,314 posts)ret5hd
(20,533 posts)Treason, mostly.
Marcuse
(7,530 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,045 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)I do hope the good people in AZ recognize scammers, traitors..and vote to save the state from ruin...
ck4829
(35,094 posts)relayerbob
(6,559 posts)It appears less treasonous than senior military, SS and DHS officers deleting their communications trails.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)relayerbob
(6,559 posts)This is a major violation of their oath and service, and the trust they are given as generals and officers in charge of huge stockpiles of weapons and people. It isnt a matter of seeming treasonous, it flat out IS. The idiots in Arizona arent even in the same league. AA ball, not even AAA.
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)I have a sister and brother that were both Marines. My niece is Airforce and both nephews are Navy. What they did in Arizona was as much treason as any other action. Of course there was no war so Dad would call it insurrection. He would still want all of them to be locked up for good or executed.
LudwigPastorius
(9,191 posts)Try, "treasony" or "treason adjacent".
EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)Sounds like a cooking term. A witch's cauldron of various ingredients designed to influence and intoxicate. "Try some. It's treasony."
patphil
(6,230 posts)I think you can take the word "appear" out of that statement.
It is treasonous.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)..and no regard for consequences.
Being controlled by the greedy AF sect, while using the at least politically ignorant as pawns and rooks, and trying to go diagonal any way, with no end in sight?
Is that where we are?
Only one answer then really: Revolt.
Doesn't have to be mega violent either, but starting over with laws, simplified with no loop hole nonsense, just know all the folks who have leveraged just that will do whatever to try and prevent it, and that is the same game they are playing on a wide swath of things, just for power and $, sick sadist assholes is all I see any more and even leveraged the supreme court which is the wrong thing entirely.
Climate change and the consequences or ignoring it will not wait though either.
Hekate
(90,864 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)How did people become so stupid?