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Mysterian

(4,591 posts)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:06 PM Aug 2022

Due to climate change, Nevada says goodbye to grass

Source: CBS News

In Las Vegas, Nevada, it's come to this: climate change has helped make water ever more scarce, so under a new Nevada law, the grass has got to go. "When we look at outdoor water use in Southern Nevada, landscaping far and away is the largest water user, and of that, it's grass," said Bronson Mack of the Las Vegas Water Authority.

The city's already pulled up about four million square feet of grass on public property so far this year, because thirsty green parkways are something they just can't afford anymore. "The grass that you see behind me is not long for this world," Mack told correspondent Tracy Smith. "In fact, within the next couple of months to a year, this grass will be completely eliminated, and it'll be replaced with drip-irrigated trees and plants."




Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/due-to-climate-change-nevada-says-goodbye-to-grass/?intcid=CNM-00-10abd1h



This is a preview of things to come in the Southwest.
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Due to climate change, Nevada says goodbye to grass (Original Post) Mysterian Aug 2022 OP
Should have done that years ago dalton99a Aug 2022 #1
Exactly. niyad Aug 2022 #41
Yes. Richard D Aug 2022 #50
in the 1970s mom and i went to gallup nm and santa fe nm. they havnt had AllaN01Bear Aug 2022 #2
Soon to be the great american desert Fullduplexxx Aug 2022 #3
It already is! maxsolomon Aug 2022 #65
What about the Golf Courses in Las Vegas? ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2022 #4
There are lots of new state of the art artificial turfs that are designed just for golf courses PortTack Aug 2022 #8
If they're really serious, and apparently they are.... paleotn Aug 2022 #10
I would hope that by now they would be using reclaimed (non-potable) water. CaptainTruth Aug 2022 #19
That's not going to continue for much longer. hunter Aug 2022 #48
Stillsuits are in our future. Otherwise earth becomes Arrakis. GoneOffShore Aug 2022 #83
Exactly, they use grey water in Dubai JCMach1 Aug 2022 #49
Phoenix needs to do the same. The water waste in Phoenix is horrible. LogicFirst Aug 2022 #5
idiotic. we need hemp golf courses or something. they don't have to be lush like they certainot Aug 2022 #36
so glad to hear this NJCher Aug 2022 #6
The gas powered machines that blow grass around are the biggest waste of gas and time louis-t Aug 2022 #17
I've always wondered how they got a patent for those stupid things. The scence between the designer LT Barclay Aug 2022 #38
actually, I know the history NJCher Aug 2022 #45
Don't be bitter, great experience and a much needed victory!! LT Barclay Aug 2022 #85
And yet some HOA's battle people who try to convert lawn space into a garden. LT Barclay Aug 2022 #39
I've always disliked moniss Aug 2022 #44
I watched a worker operating a leaf blower today at the office park Shermann Aug 2022 #79
Business park lawn has to be the stupidest, most wasteful thing ever thought of. CrispyQ Aug 2022 #7
what NJCher Aug 2022 #51
Past time to do this... The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2022 #9
Hardscaping. Extremely under rated. Dramatically increases property value. littlemissmartypants Aug 2022 #20
Exactly. Beautiful concepts! The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2022 #24
YW ❤ littlemissmartypants Aug 2022 #25
Ah, I liked a lot of these. 👍 Been thinking for some years that having a small lawn.... electric_blue68 Aug 2022 #33
i wonder how often these get use, except but the ms gardener and pool boy certainot Aug 2022 #37
Completely agree Stratman Aug 2022 #66
Excellent! I put in 12x12 inch stone off the deck which creates a walkway and littlemissmartypants Aug 2022 #70
Sounds amazing Stratman Aug 2022 #71
Certainly none of it's done in a hurry. But enjoying it is especially gratifying. ❤ littlemissmartypants Aug 2022 #72
For sure Stratman Aug 2022 #73
Well done, Stratman! I'd love to have a water wall. Very sweet of you to do that for your wife! ❤ littlemissmartypants Aug 2022 #82
This is a step in the right direction. IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2022 #11
Grass is a waste anywhere. we can do it Aug 2022 #12
When we were in New Mexico last in 2018, ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2022 #13
Well, I have grass and never water it ... UpInArms Aug 2022 #16
Couldn't agree more, except on farms, pastures and open areas feeding animals. onetexan Aug 2022 #28
I have a lawn about the size of a bocce court. maxsolomon Aug 2022 #67
We have an even smaller patch, organic, no water push mow. we can do it Aug 2022 #69
Except in pastures! csziggy Aug 2022 #75
Of course pastures, I meant yards...poison and water waste. we can do it Aug 2022 #76
I know, just being contrary ;-D csziggy Aug 2022 #78
We would be happy to say goodbye to our... 3catwoman3 Aug 2022 #14
My super smart husband started minimizing our lawn 30 years ago Peregrine Took Aug 2022 #15
now that NJCher Aug 2022 #52
I don't think the California coastal areas will ever give up their lawns ripcord Aug 2022 #18
As a plant grass does absorb carbon Buckeyeblue Aug 2022 #21
Grasses sequester carbon mainly in the roots NickB79 Aug 2022 #43
golf course grass roots are not always deep Tetrachloride Aug 2022 #54
Our yard is heavily wild strawberries and clover Maeve Aug 2022 #58
Sounds nice! I like clover, and got to pick tiny wild strawberries when on a wild foods walk electric_blue68 Aug 2022 #80
Where I live, in a semi arid part of the west, grass lawns are uncommon. Wingus Dingus Aug 2022 #22
I've seen moniss Aug 2022 #46
yeah, but NJCher Aug 2022 #53
Don't get me wrong moniss Aug 2022 #61
I figured as much NJCher Aug 2022 #62
Home pools and pool service businesses are an endangered species in the West. Thomas Hurt Aug 2022 #23
Eco Friendly gardens JI7 Aug 2022 #26
This should be how... Snackshack Aug 2022 #27
It's a fucking DESERT!!! 2naSalit Aug 2022 #29
Best post on this topic. Have a drink of water, on me. twodogsbarking Aug 2022 #55
Thanks... 2naSalit Aug 2022 #56
I grew up on a farm. In the early sixties we had a two year drought. twodogsbarking Aug 2022 #57
Yup. 2naSalit Aug 2022 #59
Google says..... twodogsbarking Aug 2022 #30
Butt Butt Butt We have to have golf course green lawns, Wolf Frankula Aug 2022 #31
im in central texas (austin) moonshinegnomie Aug 2022 #32
I understand that this must be done. hamsterjill Aug 2022 #34
Kick Omaha Steve Aug 2022 #35
I do more and more with rock all the time Bayard Aug 2022 #40
Sad herxa Aug 2022 #42
States and municipalities moniss Aug 2022 #47
Everyone west of the Rockies, at least, ought to get rid of their lawns. Xeriscape everywhere! Magoo48 Aug 2022 #60
Cacti are pretty. Oneironaut Aug 2022 #63
I never understood why houses don't use artificial turf for their lawns Polybius Aug 2022 #64
that's becoming more popular here in Seattle. maxsolomon Aug 2022 #68
When I lived in Tempe drmeow Aug 2022 #74
What's Growing in Arizona? Mosby Aug 2022 #77
Should have done that a very long time ago 867-5309. Aug 2022 #81
Penn and Teller had an episode on their show Bullshit... Xolodno Aug 2022 #84
Nevada should look to Tucson, Arizona for landscaping ideas DSandra Aug 2022 #86

Richard D

(8,761 posts)
50. Yes.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 02:36 AM
Aug 2022

It's a sad commentary that we humans almost always wait until a crisis is happening to try to fix things.
The alternative, a far wiser one, is to do what can be done to prevent a crisis long before it happens.

AllaN01Bear

(18,365 posts)
2. in the 1970s mom and i went to gallup nm and santa fe nm. they havnt had
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:12 PM
Aug 2022

lawns for years . the indians owned and still own the water rights . dont know what it is like now . somone said if you can afford the lawn , can we afford the water .

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,788 posts)
4. What about the Golf Courses in Las Vegas?
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:30 PM
Aug 2022

There is a PGA course there that has a lot of grass. My husband golfed there the day before Halloween.

paleotn

(17,947 posts)
10. If they're really serious, and apparently they are....
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:10 PM
Aug 2022

the golf courses will go as well. Then again, I haven't "played" in 40 years, so I have not vested interest.

CaptainTruth

(6,600 posts)
19. I would hope that by now they would be using reclaimed (non-potable) water.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:39 PM
Aug 2022

California started doing that years ago, I saw lots of purple PVC pipe being installed.

hunter

(38,325 posts)
48. That's not going to continue for much longer.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:56 AM
Aug 2022

It takes much less energy and costs much less to turn this non-potable water into potable water than it does to desalinate ocean water. This non-potable water is becoming too valuable to use on golf courses.

It's already happening where I live. Sewage gets turned back into potable water and near-potable water of higher quality than the "purple pipe" recycled water commonly used for golf courses and urban landscaping. The near-potable water is used for groundwater recharge and irrigation of high value crops. Some of this near-potable water is further refined by reverse osmosis and a few other steps to make potable water, the same steps used to make commercial bottled water.

Some housing developments were built with separate potable water and purple pipe systems but the purple pipes have never carried recycled water and it seems increasingly likely they never will. Our house was plumbed from the street for two water sources, tap water and irrigation water, but there is only one meter.

Do-it-yourself grey water systems are legal here without a permit if certain rules are followed. I'm not doing it currently because I don't feel bad about the water going to the sewage plant. I know it will be recycled. In the bad old days they simply dumped lightly treated sewage in the river.

LogicFirst

(572 posts)
5. Phoenix needs to do the same. The water waste in Phoenix is horrible.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:32 PM
Aug 2022

The Arizona Biltmore Golf Club, Adobe course, gets its water free from the city under some ancient contracts. This course is continually over-watered. The same holds true with the city owned Encanto golf course. I’ve complained to the city council, to no avail.

NJCher

(35,721 posts)
6. so glad to hear this
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:33 PM
Aug 2022

It needs to happen everywhere. Grass is a monoculture.

I live in suburban NJ, about 12 miles from NYC. Everyone has a lawn and just about everyone is too damn lazy to maintain it, so there is this practice of hiring "landscapers" (read "manual laborers) to come in with heavy machinery and mow and blow and in general make the place a living noise hell.

I had a student who worked in a gas station and told me that every time a landscaping truck pulled into the station, they could count on a $220 sale. That was over a decade ago; imagine how much it costs now.

The idea of dragging heavy equipment around to maintain lawns is stupid. Using fossil fuels to drag around equipment using more fossil fuels is what it amounts to. And this goes on all day, every day. Sometimes you can't even get through the streets because of these huge trucks with all this equipment. If you go outside, you have to wear ear protection.

Oh sure, it's beautiful, all these perfectly manicured lawns--but at what price "beauty?"

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
17. The gas powered machines that blow grass around are the biggest waste of gas and time
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:33 PM
Aug 2022

I have ever seen. Not to mention the noise.

LT Barclay

(2,606 posts)
38. I've always wondered how they got a patent for those stupid things. The scence between the designer
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:38 PM
Aug 2022

and a patent lawyer would be worthy of a SNL sketch, but alas people wanted them.

NJCher

(35,721 posts)
45. actually, I know the history
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:37 PM
Aug 2022

I learned all about leaf blowers when I got a ban* on them in the town I used to live in, just next door to the town I currently live in.

They were invented in Japan and used for cleaning out stadiums after sporting events. Somehow they got appropriated (or misappropriated, I should say) in the U.S. and were used to clean out leaves.

Interestingly, Japan does not allow their use in residential areas. That may have changed, but I don't think so. Maybe one of our posters who lives in Japan can help out with this info.

Now they are used regardless of whether there are leaves. Once I saw a guy blowing nothing in a driveway, so when he was finished I asked him why he was blasting a leaf blower if there were no leaves. His response: "so the customer thinks they are getting their money's worth."

The abject stupidity is enough to drive one insane. There is no thought whatsoever given to how much pollution these things put out.

I laughed at your comment about the designer and the patent lawyer comedy sketch. Another product that I don't understand is the blow up holiday decoration--like the giant inflated Santa. These things are powered by air and when turned off, they collapse on your lawn like an empty trash bag. Consequently, if they are not plugged in, the lawn looks like it has colored trash bags all over it. How did anyone think this was a good idea?



*ban: took me and a grassroots group of 2000 fellow citizens to get this ban and it took me six years of part-time work. Once we got the ban, the industry sued and made us take it to a referendum. This cost the town quite a bit of money, but the citizens voted for it and now this town has inspired many others around NJ to institute such bans. But not my town! So I did all that work and because I moved, I get no noise reduction benefit for all the time I put in. But I'm not bitter.

LT Barclay

(2,606 posts)
85. Don't be bitter, great experience and a much needed victory!!
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:32 PM
Aug 2022

Lawn ornaments, ornamental lighting that stays on 24/7, endless meaningless junk.
Interesting history though. Thanks!

LT Barclay

(2,606 posts)
39. And yet some HOA's battle people who try to convert lawn space into a garden.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:39 PM
Aug 2022

I hate lawns and mine shows it, but I haven't had the time or money to convert to something useful.

Shermann

(7,428 posts)
79. I watched a worker operating a leaf blower today at the office park
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 07:04 PM
Aug 2022

Gas powered of course, just making a racket. There wasn't a leaf or a pine needle to be seen. He was just standing there blowing air around.

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
7. Business park lawn has to be the stupidest, most wasteful thing ever thought of.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 04:43 PM
Aug 2022

A lot of it gets watered in the hottest part of the day & often you see sprinkler heads shooting water in the street instead of on the lawn—lawn that no one ever walks on except to maintain it. WTF?

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,828 posts)
9. Past time to do this...
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:02 PM
Aug 2022

I’ve seen stunning landscape architecture with varying shapes and textures of gravel, stones, drought-tolerant plants and trees.

electric_blue68

(14,933 posts)
33. Ah, I liked a lot of these. 👍 Been thinking for some years that having a small lawn....
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:34 PM
Aug 2022

say 10' x '10 ft for a big family to have a picnic on it, '8 x' 8 for a medium family, and a '7 x '7 a small family or couple. Maybe at least in areas with more rain.

Then drought resistant plants, shrubs, trees. Now I see these cool hardscapes, and architectural additions.
Though the last l two seem awfully expensive for a lot if people!

Stratman

(11 posts)
66. Completely agree
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:02 PM
Aug 2022

We have a lot of mature trees in our backyard and trying to keep grass looking decent was a never ending battle.
6 years ago i installed a flagstone area 20’x20’ just off the deck with a propane fire pit in the center. The rest of the back yard we brought in gravel and covered every square inch with it.
I love it. No chemicals, no constant reseeding, no maintenance other than picking up after the dogs.
Cut way down on mosquitoes and cleaning up the leaves in the fall is a breeze.
I also bought an electric (battery powered) mower trimmer and blower for the front yard and love that as well.

littlemissmartypants

(22,747 posts)
70. Excellent! I put in 12x12 inch stone off the deck which creates a walkway and
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:37 PM
Aug 2022

an area for patio furniture In the form of a bistro set. I also filled in the area with medium sized river rocks to finish off the space. I decorated with 24 inch high ceramic angels, a bird bath and a couple of ceramic statutes, a lighthouse, three monkeys and a little girl sitting on a log are featured around the area.

I have huge Azalea bushes that line the perimeter like a fence that are eye poppingly beautiful when blooming. The others, which are smaller, different color and variety, are in teak boxed plots with river rock as well.

Don't have to worry about weeding, snakes, mosquitoes. Especially the disease carrying mosquitoes, that have grass as their primary habitat. I despise them. Also, I have a brown thumb so minimal plant life is my specialty.

Stratman

(11 posts)
71. Sounds amazing
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:57 PM
Aug 2022

We have a large birdbath that I turned into a fountain of sorts by taking a good sized terracotta pot and inverting it. I took a metal “bowl” from an old freestanding fire pit and mounted it on top of the pot with a water pump under the pot.
The water pumps into the bowl and spills out over the edges.
I also built a “water wall” behind the fire pit. It’s about 8’ wide and 6’ highwith clear corrugated plastic on the back. The water is pumped up the sides and cascades down over the plastic on the back. Looks really cool with the sun shining through it at dusk. Put an LED light strip around the back as well so it’s lit up at night.

Our backyard is my favorite place to hang out

Stratman

(11 posts)
73. For sure
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 02:12 PM
Aug 2022

Did all of the work myself, step son and son in law helped me spread out all the gravel.
All of the design and construction were labors of love for me.
Actually built the water wall as a Mother’s Day surprise for my wife.
Have built a couple more smaller in scale for family members as well.

IrishAfricanAmerican

(3,818 posts)
11. This is a step in the right direction.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:11 PM
Aug 2022

Cultivated lawns are the bane of our environment and should have been outlawed decades ago.

Bravo, Las Vegas!



ProudMNDemocrat

(16,788 posts)
13. When we were in New Mexico last in 2018,
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:23 PM
Aug 2022

Landscaping involved colorful rock, Cactus, and other plants that required little watering.

I read that the Rio Grande in Albuquerque has dried up.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
16. Well, I have grass and never water it ...
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:31 PM
Aug 2022

I do have to mow it …

And I have 5 acres that I have baled in 1400 pound round bales (never water it) and I have a horse pasture that I have to mow with a brush hog (never water it)

I feel like I live in a gorgeous state park and love my many hours spent under the trees with lovely unwatered grass

I think it just depends on where you are …

I could not live in the desert … but a lot of people would hate my winters where it gets to 25 below zero …

onetexan

(13,057 posts)
28. Couldn't agree more, except on farms, pastures and open areas feeding animals.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:05 PM
Aug 2022

I hate that many American suburban communities' HOAs stipulate having grass lawns. Xeriscaping is the better alternative and it's natural and beautiful.

maxsolomon

(33,388 posts)
67. I have a lawn about the size of a bocce court.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:12 PM
Aug 2022

I use a reel mower. We water maybe 3 weeks a year, at the height of the summer dry season.

It's kind of nice to have a little lawn. Our cat likes it.

we can do it

(12,190 posts)
69. We have an even smaller patch, organic, no water push mow.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 01:25 PM
Aug 2022

Everything else hardscape or perennial beds, a few annuals every year. Rain barrel for watering flowers.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
75. Except in pastures!
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 04:11 PM
Aug 2022

About 40-50% of my farm is in pasture grass - Tiftquik Bahia. Around the house I had them put in centipede, much of it cut from in the pasture where it was invasive and crowding out the pasture grasses. After the first few weeks, the centipede has not been watered - but then I am in Florida. The main place we put the grass was in a drainage trough that is also a pathway and on slopes where we needed the erosion control that wildflowers would not provide.

Most of my landscaping is native wildflowers, watered when they are first planted, then left to their own devices and the normal rainfall. I plan to add more beds in the areas too shady for the centipede grass, then gradually increase the flowers to reduce the grass to walking path areas.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
78. I know, just being contrary ;-D
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 06:34 PM
Aug 2022

That's one of the reasons I selected centipede grass - it can handle droughts once established and doesn't need fertilizer in our clay soil. The only real reason to mow it is to keep weeds down. It has a thick thatch of roots so it holds the soil even on steep slopes.

For my pastures, I don't do much fertilization. This winter we limed the pastures - with the clay, it's too acidic for pasture grass and we are trying to re-establish neglected pastures. I'm hoping the lime will also discourage the centipede since it likes an acidic soil.

Our eastern slopes drain into a creek that drains into the St. Marks River so I don't want to do anything to pollute that water system.

Peregrine Took

(7,417 posts)
15. My super smart husband started minimizing our lawn 30 years ago
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:27 PM
Aug 2022

in our Chicago neighborhood.

I don't think the neighbors liked it as it was a "who has the prettiest house on the block" area.. Every time he "mowed" the grass it got smaller and smaller and he planted flowers in the newly bare areas.

ripcord

(5,515 posts)
18. I don't think the California coastal areas will ever give up their lawns
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:38 PM
Aug 2022

Many in the suburbs really believe green lawns are a right.

Buckeyeblue

(5,501 posts)
21. As a plant grass does absorb carbon
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 05:42 PM
Aug 2022

However, I'm against watering or using herbicide on grass. When the grass grows we mow it. If it's a dry spell and it turns a little brown, so be it.

NickB79

(19,258 posts)
43. Grasses sequester carbon mainly in the roots
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:13 PM
Aug 2022

Lawn grasses are notoriously shallow-rooted, so their carbon sequestration is very limited.

If you want to sequester carbon with grass, plant a native prairie restoration. Big bluestem puts roots down 10' or more. Of course, it's not mowable like a regular lawn.

Tetrachloride

(7,865 posts)
54. golf course grass roots are not always deep
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 07:13 AM
Aug 2022

so the course “needs” more water .

The more rain, the deeper the roots, especially if the soil is moderately sandy or thick top soil.

Poor courses are rocky or clay or pure sand. Water runs off and is essentially lost.

Maeve

(42,288 posts)
58. Our yard is heavily wild strawberries and clover
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 08:24 AM
Aug 2022

Doesn't need mowing as much as the neighbors' yards and never needs watering. And after a rain, our yard is where the birds come for lunch.

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
22. Where I live, in a semi arid part of the west, grass lawns are uncommon.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:04 PM
Aug 2022

The suburb I live in doesn't make you have a lawn, just makes you keep a somewhat-landscaped front yard and a "natural vegetation" back yard (if you choose, at a minimum) that is hopefully kept mowed and not overgrown. That said, if you don't have a lawn, you have to have a real plan for landscaping, even if it's just rocks/gravel and a few trees or shrubs--AND you still have to weed and irrigate. Watering (if you're not on a drip system), and pulling and spraying tumbleweeds and field bindweed and spurge, take up probably as much time per week as mowing a small lawn, maybe more so. There's no maintenance-free, input-free landscaping if you own the yard.

NJCher

(35,721 posts)
53. yeah, but
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 04:25 AM
Aug 2022

that increases runoff.

With the wonderful array of plants, shrubs, trees, ornamentals...it's so easy to have a beautiful space.

Of course I say that because it's my thing. A lot of people don't give a hoot about what their landscape looks like.

I adopted the "wild" look. I have no grass, but I do have ground covers. Bamboo in back for privacy: the surprising thing about it is that it's very protective. More than once the bamboo has kept large trees from falling on my house.

Flowers everywhere. Hostas, all kinds of impatiens because it blooms all the time. Hanging gardens.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
61. Don't get me wrong
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 09:21 AM
Aug 2022

about concrete. I'm not advocating I'm just saying I've seen it used in this fashion.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
23. Home pools and pool service businesses are an endangered species in the West.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:06 PM
Aug 2022

Time to break out the xeriscaping practices.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
26. Eco Friendly gardens
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:15 PM
Aug 2022

Grass in front of homes in the US and other places and it's mostly about just physical appearance and takes too much water.

I have been reading about eco friendly gardens but they don't look clean cut but they are environmentally friendly and I think they look fine but I know know many people who want a certain look would not go for it becsuse it can look "messy".

You plant things based on where you live and they are mostly self sustaining.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
27. This should be how...
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 06:43 PM
Aug 2022

It has always been. The amount of water used to water areas that have no business being in a desert.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
29. It's a fucking DESERT!!!
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 07:27 PM
Aug 2022

What did you expect? To grow grass there endlessly in a hostile environment?


This is where reality kicks in, just because you live in a desert doesn't mean that the sky daddy is going to make a lush green lawn for you.

JFC, I knew it was a waste of water and a money gouging farce to think that grass can grow in the desert forever back in 1970, the first time I ever went there it was obvious.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
56. Thanks...
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 08:09 AM
Aug 2022

It just blows me away to see how so many are oblivious to how fragile their environment is. Most have no idea where their food and water originates, like meat coming from a plastic tray rather than understanding that it came from a real animal.

I hear it all the time from folks who live in the US SW, they think because water comes from the tap, all is good, They don't see that their lifestyle, itself, is the problem. But they insist that they are not going to change their routines for "x" to feel better followed by equivocations. Our society is in big trouble and several ugly wake-up calls are soon to come.

twodogsbarking

(9,799 posts)
57. I grew up on a farm. In the early sixties we had a two year drought.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 08:17 AM
Aug 2022

We pumped water from a well a mile from our house for clean water.
A mile of plastic pipe through the pastures. Rain is king.

twodogsbarking

(9,799 posts)
30. Google says.....
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 08:04 PM
Aug 2022

Our addiction to lawns means that grass is the single largest irrigated agricultural “crop” in America, more than corn, wheat, and fruit orchards combined. A NASA-led study in 2005 found that there were 63,000 square miles of turf grass in the United States, covering an area larger than Georgia. May 2, 2019

moonshinegnomie

(2,480 posts)
32. im in central texas (austin)
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 08:27 PM
Aug 2022

im having someone come by this week to discuss a plan to replace my lawn with either xeriscaping or native drought tolerant plants. I just cant justify throwing money away watering a lawn especially since the glass that was here when i moved in is about the least drought friendly grass you can have in this climate

hamsterjill

(15,223 posts)
34. I understand that this must be done.
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 09:44 PM
Aug 2022

But good grief, it’s just ugly. Part of my anger over the lack of interest in climate change is that we will be losing some of this. Small price to pay in a larger picture, of course, but a sad reminder that we should have been taking this seriously for much longer.

Bayard

(22,129 posts)
40. I do more and more with rock all the time
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 10:42 PM
Aug 2022

I know a farmer that lets me come get all the rock he's picked up in his fields over the years, and dumped them all in one spot. Gorgeous colors in orange, peach, rust, brown, all different sizes. I've built a gabion wall around most of my flower garden (which I hardly ever water). I made my own stepping stones for a wide path from the driveway to the front door. A friend gave me all the slate she had around a koi pond when they dismantled it. I laid a nice path from the driveway to the back door with it. I've also used rock for a big dry stream that feeds into a little catch pond if we get a lot of rain. Its also lined with the rock. We never water the grass, even when it gets crispy.

I use it all over the place here. I've also gotten some good sized boulders from our woods.

I do also love the xeriscaping in the Southwest.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
47. States and municipalities
Sun Aug 7, 2022, 11:49 PM
Aug 2022

out there have been horrendously negligent in allowing tremendous expansion/over-development despite knowing the shaky condition of their water resources. But the developers come calling with campaign money, do nothing jobs for relatives of politicians etc. and they all turn a blind eye. Greed is what they slake their thirst with.

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
60. Everyone west of the Rockies, at least, ought to get rid of their lawns. Xeriscape everywhere!
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 08:58 AM
Aug 2022

Or, grow food instead of grass if there’s a lot of water about.

Taking back even partial control of one’s food is one of the most revolutionary things we can do.

Oneironaut

(5,524 posts)
63. Cacti are pretty.
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 10:01 AM
Aug 2022

I don’t understand why everything needs to be grass - especially where it’s becoming increasingly impossible to grow? Why not just plant succulents, or, just leave it bare?

I get grass is lovely, but, at a certain point, it becomes pointless and resource-heavy to maintain.

Polybius

(15,472 posts)
64. I never understood why houses don't use artificial turf for their lawns
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 11:50 AM
Aug 2022

No maintenance, no work, looks the same.

drmeow

(5,023 posts)
74. When I lived in Tempe
Mon Aug 8, 2022, 03:05 PM
Aug 2022

I converted 1/2 the grass to desert landscaping designed to attract hummingbirds and butterflies. It was beautiful and I had year round color, tons of hummingbirds and butterflies. The grass was watered with reclaimed water through flooding - which supported my citrus and peach trees. Desert landscaping is SOOOOO much nicer than grass!

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
84. Penn and Teller had an episode on their show Bullshit...
Wed Aug 10, 2022, 09:52 PM
Aug 2022

....that pointed out that lawns were, well, bullshit. If memory serves me, they even pointed out lawns are not natural and most grass that occurs naturally is a mix of several kinds. They even got Nick Federoff to say it was basically just a status symbol.

DSandra

(999 posts)
86. Nevada should look to Tucson, Arizona for landscaping ideas
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 04:23 PM
Aug 2022

Tucson has a lot of creative landscapers who have made impressive landscaping with desert plants and other drought tolerant plants.

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