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brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:09 PM Aug 2022

Merrick Garland Weighed Search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago for Weeks

Source: Wall Street Journal

WASHINGTON—Attorney General Merrick Garland deliberated for weeks over whether to approve the application for a warrant to search former President Donald Trump’s Florida home, people familiar with the matter said, a sign of his cautious approach that will be tested over coming months.

The decision had been the subject of weeks of meetings between senior Justice Department and FBI officials, the people said. The warrant allowed agents last Monday to seize classified information and other presidential material from Mar-a-Lago.

Mr. Garland now faces a more momentous decision that will further sharpen an already unprecedented and politically fraught situation: whether to pursue charges against Mr. Trump or any of his allies over their handling of the records at issue and their interactions with Justice Department officials seeking to retrieve them.

A decision to bring charges in the matter against Mr. Trump or any of his allies would thrust the Justice Department deeper into a political environment in which the former president’s supporters and Republican lawmakers are already accusing Mr. Garland and the department of overreach.


Read more: https://www.wsj.com/articles/merrick-garland-weighed-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-for-weeks-11660601292
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Merrick Garland Weighed Search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago for Weeks (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2022 OP
He's got to be locked up. Before long he will actually shoot somebody on fifth Avenue Walleye Aug 2022 #1
Many people have already died pandr32 Aug 2022 #4
If he broke the law charge him. Ligyron Aug 2022 #2
I have been on DOJ for a long time, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #5
I must say that Merrick Garland is the most cautious man in the world. gab13by13 Aug 2022 #3
Trump is not running currently Mr.Bill Aug 2022 #18
Hey, I agree with you, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #25
But he is campaigning, IIRA, he did say he filed for 2024. msfiddlestix Aug 2022 #38
Hmm... Mike Nelson Aug 2022 #6
Just my take, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #8
I think... Mike Nelson Aug 2022 #10
I've never understood that bullshit, FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #13
Unless they take the Senate Mr.Bill Aug 2022 #19
OMG they can cause complete havoc, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #27
Garland was partisan. Jakes Progress Aug 2022 #20
Exactly. Sitting on a search warrant for weeks when video showed those boxes being moved Lonestarblue Aug 2022 #30
Yup, Garland will always appear partisan Farmer-Rick Aug 2022 #32
The 90 day rule is NOT here... brooklynite Aug 2022 #35
What's more serious than nuclear secrets? onetexan Aug 2022 #26
Good question... Mike Nelson Aug 2022 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Aug 2022 #7
Explain "individual one" gab13by13 Aug 2022 #9
Now You Understand How The System Works nt SoCalDavidS Aug 2022 #16
So a decision to charge will take months, I suppose 867-5309. Aug 2022 #11
This bullshit is why people are critical of Garland FoxNewsSucks Aug 2022 #12
agree. Rachel Maddow just said on her show last night the MAL search was part of an ongoing criminal onetexan Aug 2022 #22
Garland does not have forever. hamsterjill Aug 2022 #14
Yet People Still Believe He's Going To Charge TFG SoCalDavidS Aug 2022 #15
Justice delayed is justice denied. Earth-shine Aug 2022 #17
I don't think he indict Trump unless ... Kablooie Aug 2022 #21
I disagree, gab13by13 Aug 2022 #29
i can just picture those meetings.... ZonkerHarris Aug 2022 #23
Come on Merrick! GreenWave Aug 2022 #24
"thrust the Justice Department deeper" Layzeebeaver Aug 2022 #28
my understanding is that at this level the AG imavoter Aug 2022 #33
I can't believe people keep speculating about Garland. LakeArenal Aug 2022 #34
I appreciate the article being posted Baggies Aug 2022 #36
Hey, I'm just thankful Garland's approval didn't take DECADES. Paladin Aug 2022 #37

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
1. He's got to be locked up. Before long he will actually shoot somebody on fifth Avenue
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:11 PM
Aug 2022

Just to prove he can get away with it. Vengeance and vindication are his reasons for living

pandr32

(11,586 posts)
4. Many people have already died
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:16 PM
Aug 2022

... because of him. He is soaked with the blood and misery of so many.

gab13by13

(21,350 posts)
5. I have been on DOJ for a long time,
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:18 PM
Aug 2022

not because of Garland, per se, but because of time constraints.

You do realize that it will take a lot of time just to indict Trump? A Trump trial and conviction most likely won't happen for 3 years.

gab13by13

(21,350 posts)
3. I must say that Merrick Garland is the most cautious man in the world.
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:14 PM
Aug 2022

Being cautious may work out in the long run.

I did notice that he approved the search warrant on day 91 before the election, coincidence?

Is it Kornacki time where DOJ goes silent? Fucking James Comey announced the investigation into Hillary 11 days before the election.

It sure seems like the 90 day rule only applies to Magats.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
18. Trump is not running currently
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 01:57 AM
Aug 2022

for any elective office. His political status is exactly the same as mine.

Every day in this country regular citizens commit crimes and are arrested before sundown on the day of the crime and are held in jails for months if not years without bail before they are put on trial. And for crimes that are absolutely trivial compared to what trump has done on live television.

I am just sick of this multi-tiered justice system. The most dangerous criminal in the country is free to come and go when some guy who robbed a gas station has been sitting in a cell for 18 months awaiting trial.

gab13by13

(21,350 posts)
25. Hey, I agree with you,
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:24 AM
Aug 2022

but what did Garland say at his confirmation hearing? He will not be partisan. Merrick Garland is extremely cautious which may serve us well in the long run if we have time to convict Lard Ass. The statute of limitations has run out for "individual one," and for the obstruction of justice charges.

Garland is not being partisan when he has DOJ defend Trump (the office) against E. Jeanne Carroll in a couple of months.

I understand why Mueller didn't indict Trump, he was afraid of the DOJ memo that claims one can't indict a sitting president. I am sure that he looked at the composition of the SC and didn't want to chance that this court would agree with the DOJ memo. After Trump left office Garland had free rein to indict Trump for those crimes.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
38. But he is campaigning, IIRA, he did say he filed for 2024.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:55 AM
Aug 2022

But maybe he was lying?

He continues to rally as if he had filed. I'd say even if he didn't officially file, he and all of his cult officials will make that claim.

And that will be the "reality" if charged within that policy "window."

Mike Nelson

(9,958 posts)
6. Hmm...
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:28 PM
Aug 2022

... if the material was important, the search should have been conducted very quickly. This leads me to believe the material wasn't as serious as it's being reported... or, maybe they figured it had already been "out there" for over a year.

gab13by13

(21,350 posts)
8. Just my take,
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:45 PM
Aug 2022

I believe that Garland is true to his word, he will not be partisan. I believe he took weeks to decide because this is the first time a former president's club has been hit with a search warrant.

The 90 day rule is now here, it's Kornacki time. God help us if the Magats gain control of the House.

Mike Nelson

(9,958 posts)
10. I think...
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:50 PM
Aug 2022

... they (House Republicans) will investigate Garland, and others. I agree he strives to be non-partisan.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
13. I've never understood that bullshit,
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:05 PM
Aug 2022

other than as a tool to use against Democrats.

If a candidate, any candidate, is discovered to be a fucking criminal 10 days prior to an election, that is NOT something that should be sat on until after the election.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
19. Unless they take the Senate
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:00 AM
Aug 2022

they won't be able to do anything but put on a clown show. And that's exactly what they will do.

gab13by13

(21,350 posts)
27. OMG they can cause complete havoc,
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:27 AM
Aug 2022

they will have control of the purse strings. Just imagine what agencies they will try to defund, and that's just one thing they can do.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
20. Garland was partisan.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 02:21 AM
Aug 2022

Because he was appointed by a Democrat, he didn't investigate obvious crimes because it would look bad for his party. That is partisanship. He is not supposed to make things look good for either side. He is supposed to enforce the law. He has been reticent to do that because of politics.

Lonestarblue

(10,005 posts)
30. Exactly. Sitting on a search warrant for weeks when video showed those boxes being moved
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 08:20 AM
Aug 2022

in and out of storage should have resulted in quick action. I’m glad he seems willing to allow the investigation now, but he slow walked everything for a year and a half, not just on Trump but on state Republicans who broke elections laws by tampering with voting machines and by submitting fraudulent slates of electors. Some of those very criminals are now running for state offices so they can control who wins the next elections in their states. That is not following the law. It is allowing politicians to break the law with impunity.

A former president is owed deference. He is not owed a get out of jail free card.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
32. Yup, Garland will always appear partisan
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 09:17 AM
Aug 2022

No matter how often he lets GOPers get away with crimes. He was appointed by a partisan system. There's no way to avoid it. Dems are a party fighting against GOPers. It's partisan by nature.

His dragging his feet about this now just looks like he is fearful of the GOPers political clout.

Would a poor man have been treated so delicately? We are either a country of laws or a country ruled by the whims of the filthy rich.

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
35. The 90 day rule is NOT here...
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:15 AM
Aug 2022

Nobody running for office in November is currently subject to indictment.

Mike Nelson

(9,958 posts)
31. Good question...
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 08:32 AM
Aug 2022

... I would suspect info could be sold to the highest bidder - the Saudis would probably agree to several billion, but how about getting everyone in the game! I would have acted very quickly - so, maybe Garland knows they are safe for a few weeks?

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

gab13by13

(21,350 posts)
9. Explain "individual one"
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 10:47 PM
Aug 2022

and the numerous obstruction of justice charges that Mueller laid out? Indicting a former president appears to be a high hill to climb.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
12. This bullshit is why people are critical of Garland
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:03 PM
Aug 2022

and worried that he'll let the MFer off the hook.

Planning the execution might have taken considerable time. The decision of whether or not is a simple one, not anything that needed to be agonized over.

"The decision is clearly 'yes', now let's plan how to do it right" is the proper thing.

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
22. agree. Rachel Maddow just said on her show last night the MAL search was part of an ongoing criminal
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:20 AM
Aug 2022

investigation. That last bit was mentioned repeatedly by the DOJ filing. Someone mentioned here Merrick Garland has 100% win on all his previous cases. I'm confident he will do as he needs.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
14. Garland does not have forever.
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:09 PM
Aug 2022

I’m not sure he understands that. Sometimes a duck really is just a duck. If there’s evidence that Trump has committed a crime - which there obviously is - then let’s get on with it before we loose the chance. I understand careful consideration. But I also understand that there is a time to move, and that would be now!

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
15. Yet People Still Believe He's Going To Charge TFG
Mon Aug 15, 2022, 11:32 PM
Aug 2022

I don't. Not for this, nor any of the other crimes which he could charge TFG with.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
21. I don't think he indict Trump unless ...
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:19 AM
Aug 2022

There is evidence of documents in the hands of other countries.
From everything we’ve heard there is no sign of this though it could just being kept secret.

If there is no proof that he did anything with the docs, now that they are safe, I would bet that Garland wont pursue it further and the country will suffer as a result.

gab13by13

(21,350 posts)
29. I disagree,
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:35 AM
Aug 2022

the latest Trump lawyer who was just subpoenaed by DOJ, the guy who told Eastman to get a good fucking lawyer, can prove that Trump had no broad power to declassify documents. The Trump lawyer who signed an affidavit that there were no more classified documents at Mar-el-Loco was a criminal act, and her affidavit represents Trump. If there were SIGINT documents at Mar-el-Loco Trump is liable because those kinds of documents cannot be declassified by Trump unilaterally.

There are several crimes that Trump can be charged with without any proof that he sold out his country.

ZonkerHarris

(24,228 posts)
23. i can just picture those meetings....
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 03:30 AM
Aug 2022

FBI: He's defied the subpoenas, they've lied on their affidavits, and a source inside MAL says they are hiding and moving the boxes.

Garland: I just don't know....

GreenWave

(6,757 posts)
24. Come on Merrick!
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 06:46 AM
Aug 2022

You can do it!

Beginners you are out of here. Intermediate and Advanced, show 'em how it's done.


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Layzeebeaver

(1,624 posts)
28. "thrust the Justice Department deeper"
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 07:33 AM
Aug 2022

Can they come up with more flowery language that says the FBI is about to F**K tRUMP over a few times?

Oh and by the way, the fact that someone broke the law and is being prosecuted IS NOT political. The right wingers will try and make it so, but its not.

imavoter

(646 posts)
33. my understanding is that at this level the AG
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 09:39 AM
Aug 2022

already had to have proof of wrongdoing
to even get the judge to sign both warrants.
I heard a story on NPR.
Any lawyers or judges here?

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)
34. I can't believe people keep speculating about Garland.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:10 AM
Aug 2022

As if they have a direct line to his thought process.

So many have speculated incorrectly but doesn’t seem to stop anyone from speculating further.

He’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

Baggies

(503 posts)
36. I appreciate the article being posted
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:18 AM
Aug 2022

Problem is whether or not to believe any of it. There’s so much conflicting information, even among those sources this site deems as “acceptable”. No reasonable person would read and consider only those, but the others sources are all over the map, too.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
37. Hey, I'm just thankful Garland's approval didn't take DECADES.
Tue Aug 16, 2022, 11:31 AM
Aug 2022

I exaggerate, but you know where I'm coming from on this.

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