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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,274 posts)
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 08:49 PM Aug 2022

Alex Jones lawyer takes the Fifth during Sandy Hook hearing

Source: AP

WATERBURY, Conn. (AP) — A lawyer for c onspiracy theorist Alex Jones invoked his right against self-incrimination Thursday during a civil court hearing in Connecticut over the possible improper disclosure of confidential medical records of relatives of some of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims.

New Haven-based attorney Norman Pattis refused to answer questions citing his Fifth Amendment rights during a hearing on whether he should be disciplined for giving the confidential records to unauthorized persons — other lawyers for Jones in Texas. He has denied any wrongdoing. A judge did not decide Thursday if any discipline is warranted.

The hearing was connected to a Connecticut lawsuit filed by Sandy Hook families against Jones for calling the 2012 shooting that killed 20 children and six educators in Newtown a hoax. State Judge Barabara Bellis in Waterbury found Jones liable for damages in November 2021 and a jury trial over how much he should pay is scheduled to begin next month.

Bellis, who oversaw Thursday's hearing, said it was “unusual” for a lawyer to invoke the Fifth Amendment during a disciplinary hearing.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/alex-jones-lawyer-takes-fifth-000340868.html

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Alex Jones lawyer takes the Fifth during Sandy Hook hearing (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2022 OP
'Unusual', however, this is a maga/trump type lawyer empedocles Aug 2022 #1
Just more evidence that shit attracts flies. Ray Bruns Aug 2022 #2
Speaking of conspiracy theories Beachnutt Aug 2022 #3
googling is hard! orleans Aug 2022 #10
Lawyer for Magat needs a lawyer. NCjack Aug 2022 #4
I Have But One Thing To Say... GB_RN Aug 2022 #5
In a civil trial pleading the 5th can be seen as a guilty plea Botany Aug 2022 #6
fyi: if yer law-jockey is taking the 5th, ya got bigger problems...🤔 bringthePaine Aug 2022 #7
When somebody's lawyer is copping the 5th,... LudwigPastorius Aug 2022 #8
Pleading The Fifth Amendment And Adverse Inferences In Civil Litigation LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2022 #9

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
1. 'Unusual', however, this is a maga/trump type lawyer
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 09:03 PM
Aug 2022

WATERBURY, Conn. (AP) — A lawyer for c onspiracy theorist Alex Jones invoked his right against self-incrimination Thursday during a civil court hearing in Connecticut over the possible improper disclosure of confidential medical records of relatives of some of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victims.

New Haven-based attorney Norman Pattis refused to answer questions citing his Fifth Amendment rights during a hearing on whether he should be disciplined for giving the confidential records to unauthorized persons — other lawyers for Jones in Texas. He has denied any wrongdoing. A judge did not decide Thursday if any discipline is warranted.

The hearing was connected to a Connecticut lawsuit filed by Sandy Hook families against Jones for calling the 2012 shooting that killed 20 children and six educators in Newtown a hoax. State Judge Barabara Bellis in Waterbury found Jones liable for damages in November 2021 and a jury trial over how much he should pay is scheduled to begin next month.

Bellis, who oversaw Thursday's hearing, said it was “unusual” for a lawyer to invoke the Fifth Amendment during a disciplinary hearing.

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/alex-jones-lawyer-takes-fifth-000340868.html

orleans

(34,079 posts)
10. googling is hard!
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 03:10 AM
Aug 2022

but i did it and saw the first author of the article
conspiracy theorist wayne madsen

thanks but no thanks

Botany

(70,598 posts)
6. In a civil trial pleading the 5th can be seen as a guilty plea
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 10:30 PM
Aug 2022

I hope they get the mother fucker's law license

LudwigPastorius

(9,190 posts)
8. When somebody's lawyer is copping the 5th,...
Thu Aug 25, 2022, 11:12 PM
Aug 2022

that's a pretty good indication that they are a crooked piece of shit.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,635 posts)
9. Pleading The Fifth Amendment And Adverse Inferences In Civil Litigation
Fri Aug 26, 2022, 12:59 AM
Aug 2022

Disbarment proceedings are civil proceedings and so taking the 5th can be considered
https://www.litigationandtrial.com/2013/04/articles/attorney/pleading-the-fifth-adverse-inferences/#:~:text=Thus%2C%20under%20federal%20law%2C%20a%20bar%20association%20can,who%20asserts%20a%20privilege%20and%20refuses%20to%20testify.

That’s the issue I wanted to pick up for this post: the ramifications of asserting the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in civil litigation. As a bonus, we’ll discuss what an adversary can do to maximize the negative impact of that assertion on their opponent. The issue comes up more often than you’d think; we see it frequently in egregious wrongful death cases (where the defendant is trying to avoid a manslaughter prosecution), drunk driving cases, and (obviously) fraud cases. I have a handful of civil cases now where the opposing party has either already asserted the Fifth or is expected to do so.

The Fifth Amendment says that “No person. . . shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.” As the Supreme Court has long held, “The privilege afforded not only extends to answers that would in themselves support a conviction under a federal criminal statute but likewise embraces those which would furnish a link in the chain of evidence needed to prosecute the claimant for a federal crime.” Hoffman v. United States, 341 U.S. 479, 486-487 (1951). There are rare circumstances in which a judge can deny the privilege and then compel the testimony, but that’s highly unusual. Once you assert it, your refusal to testify cannot be used against you in criminal proceedings......

One interesting point of particular relevance to Prenda Law: As Ken notes in his post summarizing the available sanctions, when a judge notices misconduct in their court, one tool they have available is the ability to refer matters to the attorney’s state bar association. Can the silence be used against them in a disciplinary proceeding? Well, there’s a case on that in the First Circuit, involving an attorney who fraudulently concealed property during a bankruptcy, then asserted her right against self-incrimination: “While refusal to waive the Fifth Amendment might increase the risk that she would be disbarred, disbarment would not result automatically and without more. Hence, she was not threatened with a penalty within the meaning of [Garrity v. New Jersey, 385 U.S. 493 (1967)] for invoking her Fifth Amendment privilege.”

Thus, under federal law, a bar association can use the assertion of the Fifth Amendment against an attorney in a disciplinary action, so long as disbarment isn’t automatic, but some state laws preclude their state courts from drawing negative inferences against a party who asserts a privilege and refuses to testify. As two corporate defense lawyers at Gibson Dunn noted back in 2010, several states have statutes or rules of evidence that forbid courts from drawing adverse inferences after a party asserts a testimonial privilege. See, e.g., Alaska R. Evid. 512(c); Ark. R. Evid. 512; Cal. Evid. Code § 913(a); Del. R. Evid. 512; Haw. Rev. Stat. § 626-1, R. 513; Idaho R. Evid. 512; Ky. R. Evid. 511; N.D. R. Evid. 512; Nev. Rev. Stat. § 27-513; Nev. Rev. Stat 49.405; N.J. R. Evid. 532; N.M. R. Evid. 11-513; Okla. Stat. Ann. §2513; Or. Rev. Stat. § 40.290; Vt. R. Evid. 512. In those states, the court has to tell the jury to not use the silence against

There is a disbarrment proceeding pending against this asshole
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