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BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 08:45 AM Aug 2022

Fuel leaks force NASA to scrub launch of new moon rocket

Source: AP

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — A fuel leak and then an engine problem during final liftoff preparations led NASA to scrub the launch of its mighty new moon rocket Monday morning on a shakedown flight with three test dummies aboard. The next launch attempt will not take place until Friday at the earliest.

As precious minutes ticked away, NASA repeatedly stopped and started the fueling of the Space Launch System rocket with nearly 1 million gallons of super-cold hydrogen and oxygen because of a leak of highly explosive hydrogen in the same place that saw seepage during a dress rehearsal back in the spring.

Then, NASA ran into new trouble when it was unable to properly chill one of the rocket’s four main engines, officials said. Engineers continued working to gather data and pinpoint the source of the problem after the launch postponement was announced. The rocket was set to lift off on a mission to put a crew capsule into orbit around the moon. The launch represents a milestone in America’s quest to put astronauts back on the lunar surface for the first time since the Apollo program ended 50 years ago.

The 322-foot (98-meter) spaceship is the most powerful rocket ever built by NASA, out-muscling even the Saturn V that took the Apollo astronauts to the moon. As for when NASA might make another launch attempt, launch commentator Derrol Nail said the problem was still being analyzed, and “we must wait to see what shakes out from their test data.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/nasa-moon-rocket-launch-63e9e863f294968af8869950909a212c?taid=630cb3315b2a660001b3eca4



Original article -

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — Fuel leaks have forced NASA to scrub the launch of its new moon rocket on a no-crew test flight. The next launch attempt will not take place until Friday at the earliest.

The 322-foot Space Launch System rocket was set to lift off Monday morning with three test dummies aboard on its first flight, a mission to propel a capsule into orbit around the moon.

The shakedown flight, when it happens, will be a big step forward in America’s quest to put astronauts back on the moon for the first time since the end of the Apollo program 50 years ago.

NASA hopes to send four astronauts around the moon in 2024 and land humans there as early as 2025.

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Fuel leaks force NASA to scrub launch of new moon rocket (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 OP
Oh no! Tom Yossarian Joad Aug 2022 #1
Same problem with fuel leaks they had last spring, bummer, back to sliderules Shanti Shanti Shanti Aug 2022 #2
The last I heard there was no fuel leak. LastDemocratInSC Aug 2022 #3
The foam thing was only an acillary issue BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #5
I thought his voice almost broke when he made that announcement. GoneOffShore Aug 2022 #12
LOL I know BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #13
It was right on NASA TV live, mission scrubbed due to chronic fuel leaks, try again Shanti Shanti Shanti Aug 2022 #20
i still got mine . :) AllaN01Bear Aug 2022 #7
Anyone who has worked with solid-fueled rockets (myself included) VWolf Aug 2022 #4
Well even with the complexity BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #8
Re-purposing parts can be even more infuriating VWolf Aug 2022 #14
If they used the same contractors who worked on the shuttle boosters BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #16
Oh I agree! VWolf Aug 2022 #17
I never got chance to do a deep dive into it BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #18
Seems simple enough, right? :) VWolf Aug 2022 #22
LOL BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #24
The N1 (Russian four-stage to the moon) was an unmitigated disaster VWolf Aug 2022 #27
I think Russia has killed its chances for the future now BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #32
Cool! TY electric_blue68 Aug 2022 #25
Might end up being a prototype for this one day BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #28
😁 love that movie electric_blue68 Aug 2022 #29
I liked it too except for BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #33
Oh... I wasn't following it so closely so didn't know electric_blue68 Aug 2022 #34
I put up with it BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #35
Amazing to think that scientists in the 1950's and 60's Delarage Aug 2022 #37
Embarrassing RussBLib Aug 2022 #6
Not at all embarrassing BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #9
+1 llmart Aug 2022 #11
No, it's not embarrassing. llmart Aug 2022 #10
Thank you! VWolf Aug 2022 #15
My son's been on this program since the beginning. llmart Aug 2022 #21
Bravo! n/t VWolf Aug 2022 #23
The Apollo program had frequent holds and scrubs,... LudwigPastorius Aug 2022 #30
Ahh, good ol' SLS. eggplant Aug 2022 #19
Proud of NASA orangecrush Aug 2022 #26
I'm hoping that if we start spending billions going to the moon & mars that we find a cure for our yaesu Aug 2022 #31
Local officials predicted up to 200,000 people would be here to watch the launch. CaptainTruth Aug 2022 #36
We're a long way from Star Wars technology Polybius Aug 2022 #38

LastDemocratInSC

(3,647 posts)
3. The last I heard there was no fuel leak.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:27 AM
Aug 2022

It was a foam insulation issue on the tank adjacent to a super cold hydrogen line, and frost was forming on the insulation.

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
5. The foam thing was only an acillary issue
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:47 AM
Aug 2022

Apparently when they were attempting to troubleshoot to get engine 3 filling/tank temp stabilized, they drained the other 3 and then were still running into the issue with #3 again (outside of that foam crack causing a line of ambient air to freeze along the foam split).




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The launch of #Artemis I is no longer happening today as teams work through an issue with an engine bleed. Teams will continue to gather data, and we will keep you posted on the timing of the next launch attempt. https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/
8:44 AM · Aug 29, 2022


https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2022/08/29/engineers-troubleshooting-engine-conditioning-issue/

While liquid oxygen loading into the interim cryogenic propulsion stage continues and core stage tanks continue to be replenished with propellants, engineers are troubleshooting an issue conditioning one of the RS-25 engines (engine 3) on the bottom of the core stage. Launch controllers condition the engines by increasing pressure on the core stage tanks to bleed some of the cryogenic propellant to the engines to get them to the proper temperature range to start them. Engine 3 is not properly being conditioned through the bleed process, and engineers are troubleshooting.

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
13. LOL I know
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:23 AM
Aug 2022

He was really looking forward to it and was even forced to hold off on doing whatever special programming had been planned and instead stuck with the launch facility stream/status.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
4. Anyone who has worked with solid-fueled rockets (myself included)
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:43 AM
Aug 2022

understands how incredibly complex and challenging it can be to get a successful flight. Now switch to liquid fuel and the complexity goes up by a factor of 1000 or so. Supercooled liquid hydrogen and oxygen on one side of the engines, superhot exhaust on the other. The thermal gradients alone are enough to make your head spin.

Someone once said that there are a million different things that can happen at a launch. And only one of them is good.

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
8. Well even with the complexity
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:50 AM
Aug 2022

they managed to get all those shuttles up (probably with much hand-wringing and we did see what happened with Challenger and those liquid fuel tanks)

In fact as I understand, they are using repurposed parts from the shuttle program's boosters for this.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
14. Re-purposing parts can be even more infuriating
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:45 AM
Aug 2022

compared to building from scratch. You save time and money, but often things don't line up quite right.

Also, we did lose two shuttles. Space travel is freaking complex and dangerous.

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
16. If they used the same contractors who worked on the shuttle boosters
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:52 AM
Aug 2022

then they would have had the specs for that stuff. I haven't delved into who all is involved with NASA's Artemis but it usually boils down to the same companies that have been around doing space-related stuff since the '50s!

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
17. Oh I agree!
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:56 AM
Aug 2022

It's just that the specs might not be exactly what is needed for the new vehicle. Although, I admit not knowing the details.

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
27. The N1 (Russian four-stage to the moon) was an unmitigated disaster
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:44 PM
Aug 2022

I believe all 4 blew up either on the pad or in flight. That's the danger with using 30 engines

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
32. I think Russia has killed its chances for the future now
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:57 PM
Aug 2022

And China will probably forge ahead past them. They went from zero to their current Long March in 50 years (where the rest of us started a couple decades earlier). Of course they have a problem with their booster (and its debris) reentry.

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
33. I liked it too except for
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 01:00 PM
Aug 2022

Brannon Braga "declaring" that it changed the Star Trek "timeline" and even the Trek species like Vulcans (so he could then screw with later series like "Enterprise" ).

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
35. I put up with it
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 01:15 PM
Aug 2022

and didn't have a problem with it being a prequel to the original, but I did have a problem with what they did with Vulcans. Manny Coto was brought in near the end of its run as show-runner to repair the damage and he made a valiant effort but it was too late unfortunately.

Delarage

(2,186 posts)
37. Amazing to think that scientists in the 1950's and 60's
Tue Aug 30, 2022, 07:12 AM
Aug 2022

Designed the original manned moon mission rockets with drastically less advanced technology. Smart people! Not saying the current scientists are any less smart---shit happens. Just amazed that they did it back then

RussBLib

(9,012 posts)
6. Embarrassing
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:47 AM
Aug 2022

....after all this money and all this time and they still cannot launch. Part of NASA's problem is that it is a federal agency, and so this Senator and that Senator and that Congressman lobby for their own districts to get more of the money pie and you end up with rockets that use 10 different suppliers, all demanding their interests are above others.

And Musk and Bezos are probably laughing this morning.

BumRushDaShow

(129,017 posts)
9. Not at all embarrassing
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:54 AM
Aug 2022

Neither of those guys are launching a rocket that is 32 stories high either. They are only at the stage (with modern equipment) that NASA (with its many contractors) had reached in the '70s with Sky Lab (remember that almost 50 years ago)?





llmart

(15,540 posts)
11. +1
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:01 AM
Aug 2022

The computer/software systems equipment alone is mind boggling. Some of these contractors/NASA employees have also been working from home for the past two years.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
10. No, it's not embarrassing.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 09:59 AM
Aug 2022

The amount of work that is put into these launches is almost mind boggling. The launch director has to be super cautious when she gives the "go" signal to launch. And yes, it's a woman for the first time in history!

VWolf

(3,944 posts)
15. Thank you!
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 10:46 AM
Aug 2022

The effort is Herculean, and I applaud the efforts of everyone involved. It'll get done, when all the lights are green.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
21. My son's been on this program since the beginning.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 11:40 AM
Aug 2022

He's a software engineer and I've seen his setup on his dining room table. When he got the job he was vetted more than you-know-who was. He had to pass a top level security clearance too. He's back working on site two days a week, but for two plus years he did everything from home.

LudwigPastorius

(9,145 posts)
30. The Apollo program had frequent holds and scrubs,...
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:55 PM
Aug 2022

and it was pretty successful.

Also, Fuck Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
31. I'm hoping that if we start spending billions going to the moon & mars that we find a cure for our
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 12:55 PM
Aug 2022

20% poverty there.

CaptainTruth

(6,591 posts)
36. Local officials predicted up to 200,000 people would be here to watch the launch.
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 02:53 PM
Aug 2022

The causeways were clogged with traffic after the launch was scrubbed. I'm glad I didn't have to leave the island this morning!

And I'm not going near a restaurant, they're all packed.

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