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dalton99a

(81,513 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:17 AM Sep 2022

Elected officials, police chiefs on leaked Oath Keepers list

Source: Associated Press

The names of hundreds of U.S. law enforcement officers, elected officials and military members appear on the leaked membership rolls of a far-right extremist group that’s accused of playing a key role in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, according to a report released Wednesday.

The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism pored over more than 38,000 names on leaked Oath Keepers membership lists and identified more than 370 people it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies — including as police chiefs and sheriffs — and more than 100 people who are currently members of the military.

It also identified more than 80 people who were running for or served in public office as of early August. The membership information was compiled into a database published by the transparency collective Distributed Denial of Secrets.

The data raises fresh concerns about the presence of extremists in law enforcement and the military who are tasked with enforcing laws and protecting the U.S. It’s especially problematic for public servants to be associated with extremists at a time when lies about the 2020 election are fueling threats of violence against lawmakers and institutions.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/police-law-enforcement-agencies-government-and-politics-2ca4195ed3a10e45dd189bf98f3e5a26

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Elected officials, police chiefs on leaked Oath Keepers list (Original Post) dalton99a Sep 2022 OP
Tip of the iceberg. They need to be ALL be rooted out!! aeromanKC Sep 2022 #1
The AP is pretty quick to run with all the excuses. TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #2
AP did good job on this as top story! AP reserves their best excuses for the pentagon. Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2022 #28
Gotta protect the access TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #34
begin the purge ZonkerHarris Sep 2022 #3
In Republican states that translates to, "Run for a higher office" NullTuples Sep 2022 #9
i'm looking on that website orleans Sep 2022 #4
14th amendment their asses. nt Gore1FL Sep 2022 #5
This 👆 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2022 #41
Is anyone surprised by this? BigmanPigman Sep 2022 #6
What? The police are anti-American right wing insurrectionist supporters? I'm shocked. Shocked I say AZLD4Candidate Sep 2022 #7
CSPOA... NullTuples Sep 2022 #10
I don't know that acrohym. AZLD4Candidate Sep 2022 #11
Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association LoisB Sep 2022 #13
Well, about 370 of them, anyway. nt reACTIONary Sep 2022 #25
That we know of now. AZLD4Candidate Sep 2022 #26
The number of sworn LEO is about... reACTIONary Sep 2022 #30
The Oaf Keepers aren't the only ones. AZLD4Candidate Sep 2022 #42
Sure. And there are also plenty of... reACTIONary Sep 2022 #44
You have your opinion of LEOs. I have mine. AZLD4Candidate Sep 2022 #46
My personal policy... reACTIONary Sep 2022 #47
That's fine for you. Good cop. Bad cop. They are all cops. AZLD4Candidate Sep 2022 #48
Keep leaking those names, please Hekate Sep 2022 #8
Where can we download the list?? Captain Zero Sep 2022 #12
Here you go... About 5 GB... reACTIONary Sep 2022 #27
I'm not surprised! SunSeeker Sep 2022 #14
Surprise surprise! Not. Duppers Sep 2022 #15
The FBI warned more than a decade that white supremacists were infiltrating police groups. Lonestarblue Sep 2022 #16
GOP tradition, protecting domestic terrorists. Kid Berwyn Sep 2022 #23
Military need dishonorable discharges and Police Chiefs and Sheriffs need to be fired. n/t Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #17
Problem is that sheriffs, the highest law enforcement in a county, are usually elected. ancianita Sep 2022 #21
DeSantis fires/suspends elected officials at will. cbabe Sep 2022 #24
Zero oversight even at Stat e or Federal level? Yikes Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #40
How about releasing the list? AverageOldGuy Sep 2022 #18
Here you go... reACTIONary Sep 2022 #31
Here is their main site witih links to a bunch of their different dumps BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #35
I'm sure the membership lists are FULL of active-duty military and veterans. 70sEraVet Sep 2022 #19
Hell yes!!!! Traildogbob Sep 2022 #20
The names are good to know, but these people can't be punished under constitutional ancianita Sep 2022 #22
I don't know about vets, but... reACTIONary Sep 2022 #32
K&R for exposure ck4829 Sep 2022 #29
Oath Keepers & Constitutional Sheriffs (CSPOA) are openly highly connected NullTuples Sep 2022 #33
I hate to say this, but we need a Purge. Membership in a domestic terrorist group should Martin68 Sep 2022 #36
Good. These names needed to be revealed. msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #37
They're not. Access to the lists is limited to journalists and those who use encryption. ancianita Sep 2022 #43
So it's going to be buried then... too bad for democracy msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #45
No one's saying that. It's just that the lists are not going public; excepting those who ancianita Sep 2022 #49
Publish the list of names, if it already hasn't been! hadEnuf Sep 2022 #38
kkk, just another name Marthe48 Sep 2022 #39

orleans

(34,053 posts)
4. i'm looking on that website
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:32 AM
Sep 2022

and mostly i'm not seeing anyone specific -- just a councilman in wisconsin or one town justice in new york and all such vague generalities like that. maybe i'm not looking in the right spot?

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/oath-keepers-data-leak-unmasking-extremism-public-life

on edit: never mind. i don't know what the hell i'm looking at. forget i was here.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,692 posts)
7. What? The police are anti-American right wing insurrectionist supporters? I'm shocked. Shocked I say
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 01:50 AM
Sep 2022

Well, not that shocked.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
30. The number of sworn LEO is about...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 11:06 AM
Sep 2022

.... 900,000. If everyone on this list were "active" members (they are not), and everyone on it were LEO (they are not) that would amount to less than 5%. The actual percentage, according to the leaked numbers, is less than 1/2 of 1%.

In fact, the "active" membership, as opposed to folks who signed up for a news letter ten years ago, is probably around 5000.

Oath Keepers claimed 35,000 members in 2016, though researchers estimated the figure was about 5,000. The ADL estimates there are between 1,000 and 3,000 members but said the group’s influence extends well beyond that figure.


This is pretty piss poor for a group that focuses recruitment on LEO, military, and first responders, especially since these populations seem to have a large right wing bias to begin with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States#:~:text=There%20are%20more%20than%20900%2C000,percent%20of%20those%20are%20women.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
44. Sure. And there are also plenty of...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 09:46 PM
Sep 2022

... of liberal democrats who are LEO. But it is not true that the "membership lists are FULL of active-duty military", nor were they full of active duty LEO, nor is the organization anywhere near significant in numbers compared to the number of LEOs, let alone the number of military personal.

Fearful speculation is unwarranted. Characterizing the police as anti-American right wing insurrectionist supporters is unwarranted.

Duppers

(28,123 posts)
15. Surprise surprise! Not.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:23 AM
Sep 2022

We have thought this; it's now proven.

Authoritarian types/ authoritarian thinking is at the heart of the Republican party.

Lonestarblue

(9,998 posts)
16. The FBI warned more than a decade that white supremacists were infiltrating police groups.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:42 AM
Sep 2022

Nothing was seemingly done after that other than to step up recruitment. We will not be rid of these issues until we rid ourselves of the right-wing media that convinces people that they are victims of black people and liberals, who are somehow taking away their rights. The only right they can identify as being taken away is their right to treat others like crap. Otherwise, their racism and hatred of government just festers until violence comes out.m

Kid Berwyn

(14,907 posts)
23. GOP tradition, protecting domestic terrorists.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 10:19 AM
Sep 2022



After Racist Massacre in Buffalo, Senate GOP Blocks Domestic Terrorism Bill

"There are a lot of MAGA Republicans for whom no amount of gun violence... will ever, ever convince them to take any action," said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.


JAKE JOHNSON
CommonDreams.Org, May 26, 2022

Less than two weeks after a white supremacist gunned down 10 Black people at a grocery store in Buffalo, New York, Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked legislation aimed at combating domestic terrorism in the United States—specifically the growing threat posed by neo-Nazis and white nationalists.

The final vote on the House-passed legislation was 47-47, with every Senate Republican in attendance voting no. At least 60 yes votes were needed to overcome the filibuster and advance to a final vote on the bill.

Every Senate Democrat who cast a vote supported the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act, which proposed ensuring that federal agencies have the resources needed to detect and prevent "acts of domestic terrorism and white supremacist and neo-Nazi infiltration of law enforcement and corrections agencies."

CONTINUES…

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/26/after-racist-massacre-buffalo-senate-gop-blocks-domestic-terrorism-bill

So, why is it that we Democrats can’t end the filibuster, only Republicans?

One of my beefs about that is that it has gotten them 3 Putin-approved picks on the Supreme Court, all pro-NRA gunhumpers, if not openly White Power advocates.

Backstory:

Why We Don't Know Much About Right-Wing Terrorists

Conservatives Fired The Guy Studying Them in 2009



Why Don’t We Know Much About Right-Wing Terrorists?

Conservatives Fired The Guy Studying Them


JAMESON PARKER
AddictingInfo, JUNE 18, 2015 4:41 PM

After a mass shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, left nine people dead and a right-wing white supremacist arrested, the country once again faces the uneasy question of just how many so-called “home-grown” terrorists are out there – heavily armed, ideologically driven, and violent.

It’s a good question, but it may be tough to answer because for reasons that are astoundingly dimwitted, the Department of Homeland Security pushed out the guy who was in charge of watching them, and dismantled his team all the way back in 2009.

The beleaguered hero of this story is Daryl Johnson, a top government counterterrorism analyst working at Homeland Security who spent six years with the agency amassing a wealth of data on far-right extremist groups that posed various degrees of threat to citizens in the United States. In 2009, in the months after President Obama assumed office, he watched as these groups veered even further right, and began to fear that America’s first African-American president could be the catalyst of a major uptick in hate crimes and anti-government attacks.

In a landmark report released just months into Obama’s term, and now looks downright clairvoyant, Johnson made the case that radical Islam is only a small piece of the terrorism pie:

“Do not overlook other types of terrorist groups,” the report warned, noting that five purely domestic groups had considered using weapons of mass destruction in that period. Similar warnings have been issued by the two principal non-government groups that track domestic terrorism: the New York-based Anti-Defamation League and the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.

An annual tally by the latter group of what it calls “Terror From the Right” listed 13 major incidents and arrests last year, nearly double the annual number in previous years; the group also reported the number of hate groups had topped 1,000 in 2010, for the first time in at least two decades.


In response to that report, Johnson was destroyed. It wasn’t his integrity or claims that got him in trouble, his facts were solid. Instead, it was the inconvenient truth that much of the threat comes from right-wing conservatives, and even more awkwardly, radical right-wing conservatives who say and think a lot of the same things mainstream right-wing conservatives say and think.

CONTINUED w/links...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/18/why-dont-we-know-much-about-right-wing-terrorists-conservatives-fired-the-guy-studying-them/

That was from 2015.

Internet Archive Waybac, if link doesn’t work:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150910045015/http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/18/why-dont-we-know-much-about-right-wing-terrorists-conservatives-fired-the-guy-studying-them/

Absolutely been their people since Lee’s surrender at Appomattox.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
21. Problem is that sheriffs, the highest law enforcement in a county, are usually elected.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 09:40 AM
Sep 2022

Sheriffs can't be removed just because of associations with groups, even militias like Oathkeepers.

70sEraVet

(3,503 posts)
19. I'm sure the membership lists are FULL of active-duty military and veterans.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 09:08 AM
Sep 2022

The Oath-Keepers want to be a military organization? Fine. Let the Oath-Keepers pay these guys' pensions and disability payments. The VA and the military can wash their hands of them!

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
22. The names are good to know, but these people can't be punished under constitutional
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 09:43 AM
Sep 2022

rights of association. Even the military code of justice probably wouldn't apply to vets. Hell, they won't even call Flynn out of retirement to be court-martialed.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
32. I don't know about vets, but...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 11:14 AM
Sep 2022

... only about 100 folks on the list were identified as active military.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
33. Oath Keepers & Constitutional Sheriffs (CSPOA) are openly highly connected
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 11:18 AM
Sep 2022

In the past they've announced they are allied with each other.

We have a big problem here in America when cops in substantial numbers have openly joined fascist organizations.

Martin68

(22,803 posts)
36. I hate to say this, but we need a Purge. Membership in a domestic terrorist group should
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:24 PM
Sep 2022

disqualify anyone from holding any public office or job.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
49. No one's saying that. It's just that the lists are not going public; excepting those who
Thu Sep 8, 2022, 12:12 AM
Sep 2022

monitor mobilizations of militia groups. If they commit crimes, they'll be arrested. If they conspire to commit crimes, they'll be arrested. But their simply being in these groups is still a protected constitutional right.

Some reddit people or others might get hold of these lists, and check their veracity; they might even list some names, but that could be generally seen as doxxing. It would be like the Republicans getting hold of all the Democrats' registrations and publishing their names in media and then, based on their belief that we're enablers of baby killing adrenachrome freaks, coming after us.

Do Americans have freedom of association or not?

As long as people are free to associate and even join secret societies and do nothing illegal, there's no point in criminalizing them. There's also no point in getting upset that they get away with joining associations with bad intent. There is a point in knowing they're out there and keeping vigilant.

Do a Google search on the OP and you'll see that nowhere do voanews.com, or twitter or abcactionnews list actual names from these databases. Call any local news desk and ask why they don't print names.
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Far+right+Oath+Keepers+group+had+bigger+presence+in+Sarasota%2FManatee+than+previously+known&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8




Marthe48

(16,963 posts)
39. kkk, just another name
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:30 PM
Sep 2022

same goals, same twisted outlook. The automatic weapons are new.

Hope they members of oath keepers are rooted out of the public institutions they hired into. I imagine they would be happier if they were being hypocrites every day of their lives.

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