Navy should rename warship that honors Confederate victory, commission recommends

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Source: Politico

An independent commission is recommending the Navy scrap the name of a guided-missile cruiser that honors a Confederate battlefield victory, part of a broader effort to scrub the names of Confederate leaders from Defense Department property.

In the final installment of a three-part report, the commission that was established to rename bases that honor Confederate leaders announced on Tuesday its recommendation that the Navy rename the USS Chancellorsville, a Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser, and the USNS Maury, an oceanographic survey ship.

In a briefing with reporters after the announcement, members of the commission said the Navy has renamed about 20 ships while they were in active service.

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In the 1970s, the Navy changed the name of the Los Angeles-class attack submarine SSN 705 during construction from Corpus Christi to City of Corpus Christi to appease religious groups. In 2020, the city of Baltimore stripped the name Taney from the ex-U.S. Coast Guard cutter and floating museum because the name paid tribute to the Supreme Court chief justice who delivered the Dred Scott decision cementing the legality of slavery.



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[Timeflyer]

1. WWII winners didn't let Germany glorify Hitler's victories, but US South still flies rebel flag

[BOSSHOG]

2. Name it the USS Hitler

That would make half the country happy according to 20% of the population. Conservatives have never been good at Math or Patriotism.

[whistler162]

5. Sounds good

as long as it is for William Patrick Hitler! The other ones' nephew.

[BOSSHOG]

7. Very interesting

Thanks for the lesson.

[LT Barclay]

3. The bigger question is how these names were allowed to be used in the first place.

It is about time these traitors were rightly placed in the same side of history as Benedict Arnold.

[XorXor]

9. It is weird, right? Naming stuff after traitors is something I never understood

[Slammer]

16. honor

I can see that naming stuff after individuals on the losing side is deservedly controversial.

Naming stuff after battles though is something which I can understand. The British won the battle of Bunker Hill yet we've had two aircraft carriers over the years which were named Bunker Hill. That didn't glorify the British victory but rather honored the American soldier who fought there. And even if there had been some coalition of secret Anglophiles in the US government who conspired to glorify a British victory, screw them, the name still honors the American soldiers who fought, not the victors.

There were Union troops which served honorably in every Civil War victory and in every Civil War loss.

Do the sacrifices of American soldiers for their country only have meaning if they won the battles they participated in?

Union soldiers outnumbered Confederate soldiers in most every major encounter, even the ones where the Union soldiers lost. And without those Union soldier giving their all in those losses, there wouldn't have been an eventual victory.

So was there some secret conspiracy 38 years ago to glorify the Confederacy by naming this ship "Chancellorsville"? Honestly, who knows?

But there were tens of thousands of good guys fighting on the right side in that battle who deserve the honor of having a ship named after their battle so "screw you" to whoever meant that name to mean anything else.

/personal opinion rant

[XorXor]

20. I see your point about them being named after battles

Naming them after people is the real issue. That being said, with these being retired soon and your point about battles, I don't know if I think this is even worthy of the effort and the ammunition it would give to right to rile up their base
.

[Mysterian]

21. Why should they name it after a battle the U.S. Army LOST?

Fuck that shit and fuck the traitorous confederates who tried to destroy my country.

[3auld6phart]

14. Agree

2xs great uncle fought for the Union .

[nycbos]

4. Let call it The March To The Sea

[LetMyPeopleVote]

6. We are renaming military bases to get rid of names of these traitors

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017737925

[XorXor]

8. The Ticos are going to be retired soon anyway

While I understand the desire to rename it, I don't know if it's worth giving the right more fodder since they will be gone in the next decade.

[Angleae]

10. This one due to decom in 2026 (current plans).

[XorXor]

12. Oh yeah, I keep forgetting the last decade happened.

I feel like I'm still in 2014 or so. It's even sooner than a decade out.

[The Jungle 1]

11. It is one of the best things this nation is doing.

Get rid of the statues. Rename the bases and ships. Burn that flag.
We do not celebrate treason in this nation. We should not have allowed it.
In Germany they do not celebrate the nazi death machine. In fact it is against the law to celebrate the filthy nazi pukes.
Lee an Davis should have been hung!!!

[Gore1FL]

13. I don't think I'd bother with less than five years of service left.

When I first heard of the cruiser, I thought it was odd to name a ship after a battle in which the U.S. had it's ass whipped.

I mean I guess we have a base called "Pearl Harbor," but I don't think that counts!

[rpannier]

15. Any names associated with the CONfederacy should be limited to garbage scows, sewage centers and

garbage dumps

[New Haven]

17. just another lying chapter in the Lost Cause myth

There was no "great victory" --every time I hear a superlative used about a Civil War event ---it usually come from a Lost Cause fan--
I am studying the diaries of Confederate units from back in the day---from their own mouth it is a different story. Their hero Jackson was killed by his own fault by fratricidal. There is no greater damage done to a fighting units morale and effectiveness than this.

Chancellorsville is made out to be Lee’s greatest victory. Maybe it was but it also could be his greatest loss. He has lost 35% of his regimental commanders, and 33% of his brigade commanders. And his most trusted commander Stonewall Jackson in an extremely faulty maneuver, riding in front of his own troops without taking sufficient caution to avoid being shot by his own men. Jackson’s lack of caution, gets himself shot and eventually dies and is responsible for the death of nine others in his party. This is not a brilliant maneuver but rather a shoddy aberration and disregard for military doctrine.

As each of these Lost Cause myths are uncovered it further diminishes the voice of today's right wing.

[70sEraVet]

18. One of the ships I was on, was named after a US city, which seems to be an old Navy tradition.

The next Repub President (god forbid) will be changing the names of all ships named after cities, because everyone knows that all US cities are crime infested hell-holes, and that all 'real Americans' live in small towns.

[msfiddlestix]

19. Good to read

Happy to read this news. at long last..


just a word about the published title.

My first and second take on reading the title left me with the opposite perception of the actual facts.

Very happy to have read the content except in the op, which revealed an incorrect perception.

Wish copy editors were a bit more careful with their headlines.