Trump goes to Supreme Court over Mar-a-Lago search and seizure of documents

[swag]

Source: CNN

By Tierney Sneed
Published 3:45 PM EDT, Tue October 4, 2022

CNN
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Former President Donald Trump has asked the Supreme Court to intervene in the dispute over materials the FBI seized from his Mar-a-Lago estate this summer.

His emergency request with Supreme Court is the latest example of the former President seeking to involve the justices in investigations that entangle him – at a time when the high court’s legitimacy in politically explosive cases is under intense scrutiny.

This story is breaking and will be updated.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/04/politics/trump-supreme-court-mar-a-lago-appeal/index.html

[JohnSJ]

1. Hopefully the SC won't even hear the case

[Ligyron]

7. They shouldn't.

Hopefully the PTB are good and sick of Trump and want him ended.

Trump knows he's guilty and this desperation proves he is.

If they actually agree to hear this nonsense, we're in trouble.

So is Democracy.

[JohnSJ]

29. I agree. Absolutely no reason he so have the possession of classified documents

[Mr.Mystery]

33. SCOTUS intervening is very dangerous. They owe The Count of Mostly Crisco bigly,

and they know it.

Since when have the conservative courts -- the conservative ANYTHING -- stood for principle instead of power? Never.

[Coventina]

35. Somebody's been watching Colbert!

Welcome to DU!

[Mz Pip]

45. They owe him nothing

They have lifetime appointments. Nothing he says or does can remove them. Impeachment would be next to impossible.

[Mr.Mystery]

48. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett were all nominated by Trump . . .

Also the rule change that made it easier to advance nominees happened under Trump & his MAGA Congress.

[riversedge]

57. ...Trump directed the request to Justice Clarence Thomas, who is assigned to oversee emergency reque

Trumps SC buddy gets the case. damn





https://www.businessinsider.com/mar-a-lago-trump-asks-supreme-court-reject-appeals-ruling-2022-10
...........Trump directed the request to Justice Clarence Thomas, who is assigned to oversee emergency requests arising out of the 11th Circuit. If granted, such an emergency order would make it easier for Trump to pursue arguments that the classified records are covered by a legal privilege and should not be used, at least for now, in the Justice Department's investigation.

[JohnSJ]

64. Why can't the DOK ask for a different justice? This country is so over

[JohnSJ]

65. Why can't the DOK ask for a different justice? This country is so over

Thomas should recuse himself

[Captain Zero]

66. And if Ginni Thomas's fingerprints are on the TS docs?

What if Clarence Knows who else's fingerprints are on the TOP SECRET documents??

[leftyladyfrommo]

2. That's not a surprise. nt

[SWBTATTReg]

3. For stealing the DOJ's documents? Yeah, I think that this will go nowhere. Why would they

intervene? There're no issues on law, tRUMP stole, and he got caught. Plain and simple. They should have arrested him and had his a&& in jail already.

[swag]

4. Here is the filing

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000183-a484-d513-a19b-bfd40c910000

[swag]

5. A little sliver of Marcy Wheeler's check-in

Link to tweet

[Peregrine Took]

6. Wella, wella, wella.....I knew he'd wind up in his own personal SC before long. n/t

[underpants]

11. This is the last move I would think.

He went straight to the Hail Mary.

[fanfanois]

8. Jill Stein voters shielded this guy from any future prosecution

By staying home, and pretending that Trump and Hillary were the same.
then Trump Nominated some cultists to the Suprême Court en el shower

[Mr.Mystery]

55. You make a good point. If most of Stein's voters had voted for Hillary Clinton

she would have won WIS, PENN, and MICH and the election.

However, in exit polls between only Clinton and Dump, Dump still wins in those states. Also, Johnson sucked votes from Dump, so . . . it's hard to say for sure.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/11/13576798/jill-stein-third-party-donald-trump-win

[Demsrule86]

60. That simply isn't true.

[Mr.Mystery]

63. Well . . . I'm just repeating this analysis from the poly sci guys quoted in Vox . . .

"All's I know is what I read in the papers." Will Rodgers

[tinrobot]

9. I predict they'll turn it down 8-1 with Thomas objecting.

[Shipwack]

44. Rejected 5-3, with the Handmaiden and Alito joining dissent. NT

[bluestarone]

10. He can't win this. (I hope) BUT

I just hope the SC don't get involved, just to DELAY!. (this is what he and his lawyers are hoping for)

[I_UndergroundPanther]

14. I hope

He has a heart attack,gets hit by a bus,eats bad food,drowns in a storm,gets shot with a stray bullet from one of the gun nuts at his rally...etc..etc..

[bluestarone]

15. Is it ok if i

Multiply your hope by a Gazillion?

[rurallib]

16. I agree, but these questions should be decided whether he is dead or alive.

This is literally the rule of law on the block.

[KPN]

73. By this SC? I'd rather take my chances with

“I hope he has a heart attack and dies, or gets hit by a bus or stray bullet” etc.

[BigDemVoter]

47. Not sure if you are talking about the the former pig in the White House

or the pig in the Supreme Court (Thomas), but I would agree with you on BOTH counts. . . . !

[I_UndergroundPanther]

75. Originally

Meant for trump but sure add in that asshole thomas . They both need to dissapear.

[Ligyron]

12. Does Clarence get to approve this or does it go to the SCOTUS 4 person groupie?

[getagrip_already]

18. I think it still takes 4 to hear a case.....

If they get the 4, he would issue a stay on the appeals court order or not, depending on the musings of the court.

That would be an extreme stay given the harm the gov't has claimed.

[Ligyron]

23. Thanks, I believe you are right.

Yeah, the harm could be truly monumental and they know this too.

[onenote]

27. He could grant or deny the request himself, but probably won't.

This guide from the Supreme Court explains the emergency motion procedures.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/reportersguide.pdf

[SouthernDem4ever]

13. Do all his weird supporters have the judges personal info and locations

just in case they don't do what he wants? If not they can probably get it all from Ginni.

[PatSeg]

17. The FBI didn't "seize" those documents

They retrieved them after giving Trump numerous opportunities to return them voluntarily. Once again, Trump makes it sound like the documents belonged to him and were taken suddenly without warning.

[Bengus81]

19. More stalling to try and run the clock out is all this is............

[Ponietz]

20. Guess who or what gets destroyed if SCOTUS appeal denied

Clarence Thomas and his law clerks, in their supervisory role over the 11th Circuit, are busily working on an angle for the traitor this minute. If the appeal is denied Ginny the Ninny’s husband is toast. I expect delay.

[GusBob]

28. Could be the other way around

she told the lawyers "the fix is in we got your back"

[Martin68]

21. Trump's last resort: the court he fashioned to support his criminal acts. But I don't think

they feel any particular obligation to support Trump now. They have their own agenda, and no one is in control of it but them.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

25. As proven by their refusing to get involved in his bogus voter fraud claim.

I suspect the SC will refuse to hear it.

[Rebl2]

38. Same here

[oldsoftie]

22. I believe the Court will give him a big "NOPE" on this one & not even hear it

[Johnny2X2X]

24. This will be another defeat for him.

The case will get worse for him

[Rebl2]

26. OMG

I hope so.

[angrychair]

30. Not optimistic

This court has made it clear that they support all things trump.
I hope I'm wrong but I have lost all faith in the system.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

32. So they supported him by refusing to hear any of his bogus voter fraud lawsuits?

They helped him when they refused to hear Tx. ridiculous lawsuit against states that he claimed were full of voter fraud?

[angrychair]

67. That was all before

They overturned Roe. That was the turning point. I think the mask is off now. They won't even get to hide it anymore.

[Evolve Dammit]

31. "Where's my Roy Cohn(s)"??? Special Master wasn't enough. Delay, lie and bury it at all cost.

[Mr.Bill]

34. I'd like to have them hear it then

vote 9-0 against Trump just to hear the names he will call his appointees he is so proud of.

[Gore1FL]

40. 8-1. Thomas is a still a Justice. nt

[Mr.Bill]

41. Yeah, but wouldn't it be something if even he turned against Trump?

Trump might even break out the N word for that one.

[Kid Berwyn]

36. Ginni Thomas said to.

Someone must’ve reminded Trump, who’s too stupid to remember.

[EndlessWire]

37. Wow, it's almost 300 pages.

Do people get to file amicus briefs? And, it goes to Clarence! The sound you hear behind the door is the all-justice fist fight that will now commence.

If the SC hears this, they better not say that it was okay for him to declassify something with his mind. Talk about lack of confidence in the SC...their best bet would be to refuse to hear it.

[onenote]

70. It's 37 pages. The rest is made up of appendices -- copies of the decisions from the district corurt

court of appeals, various pleadings etc.

[bucolic_frolic]

39. Potentially, TDFG has something on his 3 SCOTUS appointees

He was privy to the background checks, no? Some of which were not vetted very well? So they owe him something?

[onecaliberal]

42. The FBI was sent to retrieve top secret documents that trump ripped off from the National Archives.

[mgardener]

43. I'm curious.

Has Ginni Thomas gotten a phone call from Trump in the last week?

[iemanja]

46. It's been filed with Clarence Thomas

Who sees 11th circuit appeals: https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/david-zaslav.asp?cycle=20

The petition was filed with Justice Clarence Thomas, who oversees emergency requests from the 11th Circuit. It is likely he will seek a response from the government before the court takes any action. A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment on the new filing. It’s unclear how long the Supreme Court’s review of the matter will take, or if it will have any measurable impact on the ongoing investigation.

[Ford_Prefect]

49. I doubt they'll take it up with as many holes as there are in the argument.

The first warrant issued to the FBI was clear and distinct. No one has raised that as an issue. Trump's claims of ownership were effectively erased by that warrant being issued. He's presented ZERO specific evidence that any of the paper belonged to him in any way even though he has a thorough list of what the FBI took. I doubt very much that the court would take on the DOJ, DOD, DHS and other security agencies over correct classification/declassification procedure and documentation. There is much already in several books and at least one trial regarding how poorly Trump handled such documents and how little regard he has for correct security procedures.

[COL Mustard]

50. Let them rule in his favor and watch

You think public opinion is bad now? Let the Extreme 6 rule for him and watch how low it goes. And how loud the screams for reform are.

[hadEnuf]

52. The conservative SCOTUS is corrupt because it was placed there corruptly.

If they rule in that criminal bastard's favor then that should put the idea of expanding the court on steroids.

It needs to be done.

[COL Mustard]

54. Yup.

It needs to happen, and something like that would just energize it.

[EndlessWire]

51. Ah, I see. It's only 30

pages or so; the rest is appendix.

"The Government’s position presumes
certain documents are in fact classified, affording President Trump no opportunity to
contend otherwise. This presumption is at the core of the dispute. Since President
Trump had absolute authority over classification decisions during his Presidency, the
current status of any disputed document cannot possibly be determined solely by
reference to the markings on that document. This, again, is why the District Court
exercised its discretion to appoint a special master. Otherwise, the unchallenged
views of the current Justice Department would supersede the established authority
of the Chief Executive."

It just burns me up. The "Chief Executive" is BIDEN. He delegated certain decisions to the Archivist, who, after appropriate consultation, then referred the matter to DOJ, and turned down Trump's request for an extension.

And, this is their argument? That Trump just "thunk" them into a nonclassified status?? REALLY??? So, if a stamped classified doc was sitting in its folder in its spot, someone could walk in, declare it unclassified, and Trump could have it? ARE YOU JOKING???

Maybe it IS time for a few million FOIA requests.

I think it is their intent to dispute every last fricking classified document, until they all die of extreme old age. Yet, they want for both Dearie, Cannon and themselves to be able to view such documents.

People, thanks a helluva lot for helping this POS grifter into the Presidency. If you want to make up for your appalling lack of judgment, help us deliver the House and Senate to the Dems and a true Patriot, BIDEN.

TRUMP IS A POS, A LOSER, AND SO ARE HIS WIFE AND KIDS. Maybe not Barron. We'll see.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

53. Here's a quick thread on what Trump's emergency application to SCOTUS is really asking for.

SLAPPableHat Retweeted

1. Having fully digested , here's a quick #thread on what it's really asking for, why it's not *entirely* laughable, and why I nevertheless think that it's both (1) doomed to fail; and (2) unlikely to accomplish much even if it succeeds:

Link to tweet

[TXPaganBanker]

56. They don't have to hear it to throw a wrench in things.

All they have to do is make the decision whether or not to hear it on the docket at the end of the session. SCOTUS usually ends their session in late June / early July.

I personally don't think they'd hear it. If they find in Trump's favor, they're changing the role of the Executive branch to let ex-Presidents keep some type of Executive authority. If they find against Trump, they're looking at potential consequences nationwide from Trump's followers. But, if they delay it until June / July 2023? That's past when Trump would have declared whether or not he's running in 2024. It gums up the gears of the entire stack of cases against him.

[Ligyron]

58. I don't think so really.

I'm no Constitutional legal mind but this is an emergency remember?

Scheduling it in June kinda makes a mockery of that.

[TXPaganBanker]

59. It's only an emegency...

if SCOTUS thinks it's an emergency. Otherwise... get in line.

[NullTuples]

61. I didn't know non-government officials - ie regular citizens - could send things to SCOTUS

I always thought there was a process to go through, wind your way through the courts. Sometimes takes ten years or more. Except for current gov't officials, who sometimes seem to be able to bypass all that.

Do they have a filing window where anyone can do this?

[onenote]

68. Private citizens who are parties to a case can appeal it.

Not sure why or where you got the idea that private citizens can't seek emergency relief at the Supreme Court.

Here's a good primer on the emergency motions practice. https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/reportersguide.pdf

[NullTuples]

69. My apologies, I mean with any realistic chance of them taking it. Yet he seems so sure...

[Lasher]

62. DOJ has a deadline of 5 p.m. Tuesday, October 11, to respond.

I wonder if he is warming up to a graymail defense.

[onetexan]

71. John Dean said the Con's argument of an emergency is quite weak, doesn't look like it will stand

Deny, delay, distract - they know it will fail so is what this is all about.

[GoldandSilver]

72. Trump is such a schmuck!

Clarence Thomas should tread very lightly - he could become an impeached SC justice in a heartbeat.

In reality, if the Supreme Court takes this appeal on their “shadow docket”, it will be the end of the Court as we know it.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

74. Appeals court *grants* DOJ motion to expedite appeal of Judge Cannon's order

A speedy appeal of Judge Loose Cannon's orders by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals may give the SCOTUS another reason to reject TFG's appeal to the SCOTUS

Link to tweet